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Re: Frequency response flatness in conventional sampling (say 7S11/S

Albert
 

Hi David,

So far I didn't find effect of S-6 blow-by adjustment on sine wave amplitudes. I probably did something wrong, since the effect on square waves (tilt) is considerable. A change of C20 in the S-6 only causes a vertical shift of the sine wave. I tested some frequencies from 100 kHz to 1 GHz.
It's very annoying that the SG503 and my GR-type oscillators don't have a trigger output. Since the S-6 doesn't have a trigger output either I'm forced to use a CT-3 trigger pick-off and external triggering. With the S-2 I can compare internal triggering (CT-3 omitted) with such external triggering. The CT-3 has considerable effect on frequency response, about 6% to 8% downward trend when frequency is increased to 900 MHz.

Albert

--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@...> wrote:

The blow-by effect on frequency response could be tested. Grossly
misadjust it deliberately and see if the frequency response changes. I
found it to be the easiest thing to calibrate on my S-4 sampling heads
so I would not worry about temporarily misadjusting it.

I would also compare two different types of sampling heads like an S-2
and S-4 which have significantly different transient response
characteristics in the 10ns range do to design and see if they agree.

I may try the above with an S-1 and S-4 and my SG503 just to see what
kind of results I get.


Re: 454A vs 465B Recommendation

 

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Frank Edwards <fmedwards3@...> wrote:
I have an opportunity to get either a 454 or 465. Spec wise, either will meet my need, both are working and there is no difference in cost. From what I have read, the 454 contains no proprietary parts and can therefore be repaired using common off-the-shelf parts, vs the 465 which has some proprietary parts but is newer. It seems to me there are many more 465s available, but I have not been looking for any particular part. My intent is to get a scope that will not become economically unrepairable because of availability of repair parts. In summary, from a reliability and repairability perspective, which should be the better option?
Just about the same question was asked last month:


Re: 454A vs 465B Recommendation

 

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My vote is for the 465B.
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YMMV
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] 454A vs 465B Recommendation

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I have an opportunity to get either a 454 or 465. Spec wise, either will meet my need, both are working and there is no difference in cost. From what I have read, the 454 contains no proprietary parts and can therefore be repaired using common off-the-shelf parts, vs the 465 which has some proprietary parts but is newer. It seems to me there are many more 465s available, but I have not been looking for any particular part. My intent is to get a scope that will not become economically unrepairable because of availability of repair parts. In summary, from a reliability and repairability perspective, which should be the better option?


Re: What is this item

Albert
 

Hi Herbert,

The confusing situation is that there were two different probes (a voltage probe and a current probe) with the same number P6022. Maybe not at the same time. Last mention of the voltage probe was in 1962. The probe at ebay is the voltage probe.

Albert

it is a current probe, for use on 1MOhm inputs with
and Bandwidth equal or larger than 300 MHz.

1mA / 1mV (8,5kHz - 100 MHz)
10mA/1mV (935Hz - 120 MHz)

usefull for development in switched PSU and similar!

Herbert


P6022 at Tektronix Catalog 1962 page 192.
Albert


454A vs 465B Recommendation

 

I have an opportunity to get either a 454 or 465. Spec wise, either will meet my need, both are working and there is no difference in cost. From what I have read, the 454 contains no proprietary parts and can therefore be repaired using common off-the-shelf parts, vs the 465 which has some proprietary parts but is newer. It seems to me there are many more 465s available, but I have not been looking for any particular part. My intent is to get a scope that will not become economically unrepairable because of availability of repair parts. In summary, from a reliability and repairability perspective, which should be the better option?


Re: What is this item

 

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Hi Albert,

it is a current probe, for use on 1MOhm inputs with
and Bandwidth equal or larger than 300 MHz.
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1mA / 1mV (8,5kHz - 100 MHz)
10mA/1mV (935Hz -? 120 MHz)

usefull for development in switched PSU and similar!

Herbert


Am 18-02-2013 11:27, schrieb Albert:

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P6022 at Tektronix Catalog 1962 page 192.
Albert



Unusual TM500 PI for sale.

 

It's a DP-100 Digital Video Probe in mint condition. It works in TM500 or TM5000 frames. I don't have a P6454 or P6460 to go with it, but I see that QService currently has a P6460 available.

"The DP-100 Digital Video Probe provides an easy way to observe up to 10 digital data lines simultaneously ... Output can be displayed on a picture monitor, waveform monitor, vectorscope, or an oscilloscope"

I'm open to offers on this as while it's apparently a bit rare, it probably also has limited application.

Cheers
Dave


Re: Need help with component value on TDS684A CRT driver board

 

Thank you for the information - that's kinda what I expected but I wanted to make sure. Thanks again.
Mike

--- In TekScopes@..., "picredburner" <picredburner@...> wrote:

Hi,
ehm, before I wrote r296 but I meant r294....
Giampi

--- In TekScopes@..., "miketakeguess" <miketakeguess@> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a TDS684A scope that has a problem on the CRT driver board. I've noticed that R294 is discolored. Can anyone tell me what the value of this component is? It measures 2.7K ohm, and it might be correct because I can see the color band is red-purple-????. The 3rd color band is too discolored to tell what it is. If it's red then the value is correct, but I can't tell due to the burn discoloration.

Can anybody tell me what value R294 should be?

Does anyone have schematics for these CRT driver boards? The TDS520B component service manual only has the B&W display schematic :(

Thanks,
Mike


Clean or Replace Dodgy AC-GND-DC/CH1-Both-CH2 Switches?

 

I have seen this on a couple of different instruments lately so I think it might not be that uncommon. I am referring to the gray-levered three position slider switches on 2213's and 2235's (probabl quite a few others as well).

Sometimes when switching from GND to DC the display goes haywire and it correct itself if I tap on the switch.

In another instance I get both channels on the display when switching to one or the other and it also corrects if I tap on the switch.

They don't look very accessible for any kind of cleaning attempt and although it would not be hard to remove and replace them, it will require significant disassembly (and, oh dread -- removal of a lot of knobs!).

Is this worth pursuing or is it, in most peoples opinion, better to just live with it since the scope generally still works well?

Thanks for any input.


Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

 

Add international shipping option, and you're all set.

I'll take a 485, or 475 for the right amount.


--- On Mon, 2/18/13, Chin Siang Lim wrote:

From: Chin Siang Lim
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...
To: "TekScopes@..."
Date: Monday, February 18, 2013, 3:00 AM

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Hi chuck,?

Walter of is doing a brisk business clearing his pallets of tek scopes and accessories.?
Active marketing does create sales.?

Maybe?you want to consider scrapping scopes??below 100 MHz and all those 5000 series but hold back on those 7000 series and 100 MHz and above scopes. And list those 100 MHz and above scopes for sale ? By showing s few photographs. Thatway some monies are flowing in plus?more to come.?

Selling at scrap plus is attractive for people like us.?
Cslim

On Monday, February 18, 2013, wrote:
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Hi Chuck

To be honest if I had four pallets of TEK scopes I would break them up for spares as I don't think anyone is going to buy this stuff especially the tube scopes.

The only buyers for old TEK scopes are hobbyists and collectors and those who want a realtime wide bandwidth CRT scope. Technology has moved on, scopes are digital these days with A-D converters sampling at N GHz and all in a cute little box.

I want a scope that works when I switch it on, not with a power supply that goes bzzt, bzzt, tick, tick because some cap has gone short circuit or some corroded part in a socket isn't making contact.

In short, there really isn't much of a market for old TEK scopes.
They were great in their day but not so good 30 or 40 years later.

Best regards
Chris

--- In TekScopes@..., Chuck Harris wrote:
>
> Here's the thing:
>
> I have 4 pallets of tektronix scopes taking up space in my
> warehouse. One pallet is mostly 7000 series, with a few
> 5000 series mainframes, another is a mix of 7000 and 5000
> series rack mount scopes, with a 564. The third is mostly
> 453's, 454's, and a few odd 434, 464, 465, 466, 475, and 485's.
> And the fourth has a 585A, 545A, and 535A on it... the '45
> and '35 were beautiful before the tube whores stripped them...
> but recycler's don't get the luxury of judging, they just take
> what they get.... ixed in with all of this are several large
> boxes of plugins... nothing sexy, but the usual 7B53A's, and
> 7A16, 7A26, 7D14, kind of stuff...
>
> I love cleaning, fixing, calibrating and restoring scopes
> into good working condition. I have all of the Tek specified
> gear for doing this, but judging by ebay sales, buyers don't
> seem to value that effort at all.
>
> To give you an example. I found a DOA 434 in my stash, and
> because it was so cute, I cleaned it up, fixed a power supply
> problem that stumped the original owner, replaced a tantalum
> on one of the boards, fixed a really nasty trigger problem,
> that was caused by the power supply problem, lubed all of the
> pots, cleaned and lubed the panel switches, and fan, cleaned
> the attenuator contacts, and did a complete calibration. It
> took me a week of evenings to do the work. When it was put on
> ebay, as cleaned, calibrated, and guaranteed, it got a couple
> of $15 offers, and it remains unsold... as does its twin that
> I did in hopes of a better result...
>
> At current US scrap prices, I can get $17 per pound for gold
> plated circuit boards, which is the standard price recyclers
> are giving these days... I work with a recycler, so I am very
> sure of these prices... There is easily 2 pounds of circuit
> boards in a 434 [vertical, horizontal, storage, preamps, and
> power supply are all gold plated]. The 453's and 454's have
> easily 5x more...
>
> Considering how much you folks are yipping and yapping about
> tunnel diodes, and how hard they are to find, I could have
> gotten more than $15 if I simply removed the two diodes in
> this 434, and sold them on ebay. And I would still have a
> good CRT, the aluminum from the chassis and can, the gold
> plated circuit boards, a bunch of special IC's, etc... I have
> gotten $5 just from a knob, and $15 from just selling one CRT
> filter!.... to sell.
>
> What's the answer? I keep hearing about how much you guys
> love Tektronix and their scopes, but when one sells for less
> than a tankful of gas, I have to wonder if it is all just
> dreamy nostalgia talk. When a couple of days worth of cleaning,
> repairing, and calibration is worth less than you would pay
> for a dinner out with someone you don't even like all that
> much... Where is the love?
>
> What's it to be? Do I fix them, or Do I scrap them?
>
> What shall I do with these scopes?
>
> -Chuck Harris
>


Re: Basic Probe Question

W6CCD
 

I have three probes that came with the 475. The first one is a Tektronix
with what appears to be a 013-071 screw-on tip. The ring of the probe
handle shows 10003A, 600V Max, Atten 10X, 10 Megohm, 10 PF.

The second one has a number P6053B and a little push-button near the word
"Ident." The scope end has a little box on the BNC connector with 10Meg,
12.5pF, 6ft. Also Tektronix.

The third one shows Hitachi Denshi Ltd. AT-10AK. There is a trimmer
capacitor accessible through a little hole in the connector body. There is
also a slide switch on the probe body for X1 and X10.

I also have a direct probe that is just a coax with a BNC on one end, and
two, clip-on leads on the other end.

Do I need anything else for general testing, calibration and
trouble-shooting of tube-type amateur radio transceivers? I will stay away
from the 800 VDC in the tank circuit. The highest voltage I would see then
would be <300 VDC.

Richard (Dick) W6CCD


--- In TekScopes@..., "Richard" <w6ccd@...> wrote:

I have a 475 scope, but pretty much a beginner in its use. I want to
measure RF frequencies in a ham transceiver that could be as high as 800
VDC, and up to 30 Mhz. My question has to do with the proper type of probe.
Is anything special needed to measure RF frequencies that could be
generating significant power other than a common probe? Does the scope need
protection from high power RF? I want to at least see what is going into
the grids of the final amplifier tubes.

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
Of johncharlesgord
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:42 AM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Basic Probe Question

Richard,

The Tektronix P6009 probe is rated up to 2.1kV peak (1.5kV rms, 4.2kV
p-p), but not at full frequency. It is derated to 1000V peak in the 3MHz to
6MHz range, and 200V peak at 30MHz.

These ratings are from the Tek website. The case of DC plus
superimposed AC is not covered explicitly.

There have recently been a number of imported high voltage, high
frequency probes on eBay, one I saw was rated 4kV (DC+peak AC) and 100MHz
bandwidth ($49.99), but I assume it cannot handle that high an AC voltage at
the full 100MHz.

--John Gord


Tektronix CSA series

 

Hello, I tried to seach info about tektronix
CSA series on Google, but found few.
They seem to be somewhat similar to 11k series
mainframes, I'd like to know more about them,
I'm curious to know what are their limits and
strong features.

Can they be used as general purpose sampling
scopes (fast transients for exmaple)? Can be used
for TDR applications? What are common plugins
that can be found around.
Can be repaired, or are a nightmare of unobtanium
parts?

Thanks,
Fabio.


Re: What is this item

Albert
 

P6022 at Tektronix Catalog 1962 page 192.
Albert


Re: What is this item

Albert
 

The same number P6022 has been used for a voltage probe. Mentioned for instance in the passive voltage probe overview at Bill & Stan's Tektronix Resource Site.
Albert

--- In TekScopes@..., larrys@... wrote:

"Rob" <rgwood@...> wrote:
I do not think the person selling this in knowingly doing something wrong.
However, (correct me if I am wrong it is why I posted) the ends do not
appear to me to belong together. Other than the obvious I discarded
prior..Any ideas as to why someone would do this?
Hmmm...the label on the comp box says P6022, but it's not like any P6022
or P6022 termination I've ever seen. I wonder if the 010-067 number
would turn anything up.

-ls-


tek 475(a) case

 

Anybody has a spare tektronix 475 or 475a case, with handle, that is willing to sell ?

The tektronix 465 or 465b case is also suitable.


Re: Tektronix 2465 capacitors etc.

 

Chris

The problem could be in the 87V regulator

Or

Their could be a short/low Resistance some where in the load

I have a 2465B open and I measured a load resistance of 25.3K to ground on
Pin 7 of J121 (87V, the blue wire) with the power supply unplugged from the
unit

John

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:40 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix 2465 capacitors etc.

All voltages measured in the scope with everything hooked up. I just got
done checking the voltages pre-regulator.

At J233A I get:
pin 5 (87v unregulated) 97.6v
Pin 3 (42v unregulated) 49.0v

And at J234A I get:
pin 5 (15v unregulated) 18.94v
Pin 4 (5v unregulated) 6.64
Pin 2 (-5v unregulated) -6.92v
Pin 1 (-15v unregulated) -18.54v

Based on the unregulated values, I believe the issue must lie in the
regulator portions, and since I'm getting the 97.6v pre-regulated it would
seem to me the voltage doubler is working. I also double checked and
verified the 10v reference voltage at the test point on the main board as
well as the J121 connector that feeds the main board. (I figured this was
important to double check as the regulators all are based off the 10v
reference as I read it). Of course this is where I wish to learn more - I
understand what the individual components do but I still somewhat struggle
to see what the assembly as a whole is doing, which is why I'm trying to get
into all this, so maybe my understanding is skewed. :)

At any rate, it would seem to me that with the unregulated voltages where
they're at, that the issue would have to lie within the follow area:


Yes? No? I mean I have the correct voltages on the left side of those three
groups, and the wrong voltages on the right side, so it would seem that's
where I should look next?

Thanks for helping this newb out!

Chris


--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom Miller" <tmiller11147@...> wrote:

The +87 is from a doubler and added to the +42. I would take a close look
at the three 10 uF caps and all the diodes in that area. Be sure to only use
fast diodes for any replacements.

Since you recapped this unit, don't overlook the fact that bad capacitors
can come from the factory new. Did you measure all these voltages in the
scope or on an external load?




Regards,
Tom



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Re: Need help with component value on TDS684A CRT driver board

 

Hi,
ehm, before I wrote r296 but I meant r294....
Giampi

--- In TekScopes@..., "miketakeguess" <miketakeguess@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a TDS684A scope that has a problem on the CRT driver board. I've noticed that R294 is discolored. Can anyone tell me what the value of this component is? It measures 2.7K ohm, and it might be correct because I can see the color band is red-purple-????. The 3rd color band is too discolored to tell what it is. If it's red then the value is correct, but I can't tell due to the burn discoloration.

Can anybody tell me what value R294 should be?

Does anyone have schematics for these CRT driver boards? The TDS520B component service manual only has the B&W display schematic :(

Thanks,
Mike


Re: Need help with component value on TDS684A CRT driver board

 

Hi,
yes, r296 connected to the cathode of cr196, is 2.7K 1/4W 5%
Giampi

--- In TekScopes@..., "miketakeguess" <miketakeguess@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a TDS684A scope that has a problem on the CRT driver board. I've noticed that R294 is discolored. Can anyone tell me what the value of this component is? It measures 2.7K ohm, and it might be correct because I can see the color band is red-purple-????. The 3rd color band is too discolored to tell what it is. If it's red then the value is correct, but I can't tell due to the burn discoloration.

Can anybody tell me what value R294 should be?

Does anyone have schematics for these CRT driver boards? The TDS520B component service manual only has the B&W display schematic :(

Thanks,
Mike


Re: Tek DSA602A still avaialble at sphere

 

Hello Walter.
How much do you want for a Tek 11 K Mianframe with coror tube ( Or Display Unit )
Regards Jan Koria?
Tech Test Equipment Services.


Re: Basic Probe Question

 

Richard,

The Tektronix P6009 probe is rated up to 2.1kV peak (1.5kV rms, 4.2kV p-p), but not at full frequency. It is derated to 1000V peak in the 3MHz to 6MHz range, and 200V peak at 30MHz.

These ratings are from the Tek website. The case of DC plus superimposed AC is not covered explicitly.

There have recently been a number of imported high voltage, high frequency probes on eBay, one I saw was rated 4kV (DC+peak AC) and 100MHz bandwidth ($49.99), but I assume it cannot handle that high an AC voltage at the full 100MHz.

--John Gord

--- In TekScopes@..., "Richard" <w6ccd@...> wrote:

I have a 475 scope, but pretty much a beginner in its use. I want to measure RF frequencies in a ham tranceiver that could be as high as 800 VDC, and up to 30 Mhz. My question has to do with the proper type of probe. Is anything special needed to measure RF frequencies that could be generating significant power other than a common probe? Does the scope need protection from high power RF? I want to at least see what is going into the grids of the final amplifier tubes.