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Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
Thank, it looks like it is, i noted it is only 125V so I'm glad I asked because i now see there is a sticker on the psu stating " wired for 115V" ?pfff, just in time ;-) I have a 115V transformer on my desk for my tubetester, IET DE5000 ect. So problem solved Fred PA4TIM Op 14 feb. 2013 om 12:32 heeft Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> het volgende geschreven:
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Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
Craig Sawyers
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An other question, the P6046 diff probe amplifier powersupply has that weird old USA type connector ( it is a 230V version) Like on the 547 scope and the sockets in my 515 mobile, tek 130 ect. I thought that was a rather old system but those probes are not that old so it looks like it is still in use. Is there a name for those sockets so I can buy some to make some cables and an fixed socket on my bench ? The probeamps I can plug in my 515 mobile sockets ( not handy because of the distance because I want to use them on other scopes) . Here you se the psu, there is a big round pin too but that is out of sight, ====================== That is just a regular US mains plug. I cannot find sensibly priced ones in Europe, for example . Cheap in the US, and available everywhere. Craig |
Re: Tek Probe Question
Albert
Hi David,
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I think you compared with sampling gate time here, not with rise time. The factor for rise time is 0.8 * 0.442, so about 0.35, nearly the same as for Gaussian windows. Albert --- In TekScopes@..., David wrote:
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Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
Stefan Trethan
Isn't this just a regular nema 5-15?
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<> ST On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Pa4tim <fredschneider@...> wrote:
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Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
I can read, speak and write, English, but i speak and read german too, only a little bit French, followed 1 year spanish in high school but forgot all about it, and no Japanese ;-) so I prefere English. It would be great If you would do that.? Thanks for the explanation, this makes sense. My cabinet is 9 years old and has autofuses and groundleak breakers on every on of the 10 groups, so I take out the termistor before I test it. I just ordered a cable for the 6901 ( female to male) but I remove the female and put a normal mains-socketbox to it, so I can connect old equipment with a fixes mainslead. An other question, the P6046 diff probe amplifier powersupply has that weird old USA type connector ( it is a 230V version) Like on the 547 scope and the sockets in my 515 mobile, tek 130 ect. I thought that was a rather old system but those probes are not that old so it looks like it is still in use. Is there a name for those sockets so I can buy some to make some cables and an fixed socket on my bench ? The probeamps I can plug in my 515 mobile sockets ( not handy because of the distance because I want to use them on other scopes) . Here you se the psu, there is a big round pin too but that is out of sight, Fred PA4TIM Op 14 feb. 2013 om 10:47 heeft "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...> het volgende geschreven:
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Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
Craig Sawyers
So if it does not start you should have a ground impedance problem ( or is it not the right test for modern groundfault breaker circuits ( those things in cabinet where your powerlines enter the house) i believe in old houses and some countrys they do not have them)Correct - it is not compatible with precisely those. In "old" wiring, where there was a simple fuse-box there would be no problem. But in modern cabinets (ie any time in the last 30-odd years), it takes out the breaker. Turn the A6901 on and bang! Everything gets turned off. But if you have the manual, would you mind making a scan for me ? ( the operation part is most important)This weekend is a possibility. What language? There are English, German, French, Spanish and Japanese operation sections. Service information is in English only. Craig |
Re: Is this a real tek scope? (I doubt!)
Alexandre Souza - Listas
The "Y-" before the name tektronix makes me believe it is false, but I still ask for confirmation :)
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--- Enviado do meu Motorola PT550 Meu site: ----- Original Message -----
From: <d.seiter@...> To: <TekScopes@...> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Is this a real tek scope? (I doubt!) It's certainly not unique- there's a similar unit with better pictures on ebay right now. It doesn't look quite right, but maybe it was a really cheap model that was farmed out to china for sale in emerging markets? The serial number sticker on the rear seems to to be covering up something else. -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas@...> To: TekScopes@... Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:23:33 PM Subject: [TekScopes] Is this a real tek scope? (I doubt!) I believe it is something chinese with a blue silk-screen :oD --- Enviado do meu Motorola PT550 Meu site: |
Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
yep, thats why I ask here about this thing, I do not have a manual, and there is nothing more dangerous as using a "safety device" the wrong way and thinking you are save. I have got some pictures from the manual from Bob with the switch positions and tests. The drawing telll the thermistor is only for a ground impedance test during start up. So if it does not start you should have a ground impedance problem ( or is it not the right test for modern groundfault breaker circuits ( those things in cabinet where your powerlines enter the house) i believe in old houses and some countrys they do not have them) But if you have the manual, would you mind making a scan for me ? ( the operation part is most important) Fred PA4TIM Op 14 feb. 2013 om 08:27 heeft "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...> het volgende geschreven:
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Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
Stefan Trethan
That seems to have done the trick, thank you.
And because that has worked so well I will now follow the next step in your instructions and use my A9601 exceptionally infrequently ;-) ST On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...> wrote: Solution is to simply remove |
Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
Craig Sawyers
Bur if you were really making a floating measurement in a high current lowShutting down the power to the scope, but not the DUT does not correct thethe cable would probably melt. But if it is a solid coax cable with BNCconnection to the scope, who knows what would melt. For sure it would be a fireOK - the manual makes no mention of a scope - it always says "load" or "test instrument". Then in precautions it says: "Do not connect a probe-ground lead from an isolated test instrument to any potential greater than 40V peak when operating the test instrument from the A6901 when in AUTO ISOLATED mode. Damage can occur, both to the circuit under test and to the isolated testing instrument. Installation of a probe ground-lead fuse , will reduce the possibility of circuit damage" It also lists some possible examples of applications (with descriptions): Telephone exchange equipment Ground continuity testing Ground loop noise Primary circuit measurements It also provides a number of connection examples, including the use of isolation transformers under certain circumstances, and ground lead fuses. So like any piece of equipment, it is important to read the manual. As I said earlier the only quirk is that it checks for primary ground continuity by putting a thermistor between Neutral and Ground, specced at 35 ohms at 60C, circuit ref RT410. That always causes any earth leakage breaker in the property to trip. These trips always measure not earth leakage current, but current imbalance between live and neutral. So connecting neutral to ground via a thermistor sets up a current imbalance which will always trip a modern breaker. Solution is to simply remove RT410. How much do I use my A6901? Exceptionally infrequently. Craig |
Re: Is this a real tek scope? (I doubt!)
It's certainly not unique- there's a similar unit with better pictures on ebay right now. ? It doesn't look quite right, but maybe it was a really cheap model that was farmed out to china for sale in emerging markets? ?The serial number sticker on the rear seems to to be covering up something else. -Dave From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" To: TekScopes@... Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:23:33 PM Subject: [TekScopes] Is this a real tek scope? (I doubt!) ?
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Re: Type M01 'scope
sipespresso
Wow!
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Re: 475 Fan Motor
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRichard,OOh. That reminds me - maybe do this - use unwaxed dental floss instead of thread. It works REALLY well because it does not stretch and is very strong. I used to use dental floss instead of thread to customize cave diving gear back in the 80s, and I have turned to it ever since when I needed a sort of super thread. CA-saturated dental floss would be like making your own customized aluminum ferrule. Thanks, Joe On 2/13/2013 6:45 PM, W6CCD wrote:
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Re: 475 Fan Motor
W6CCD
Joe -
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Not sure why I didn't think of that. I have a hammer that the handle cracked on near the head. Being cheap, I wrapped the break with a flax string that we used to make bow strings. Then I covered it with something. Maybe lacquer. Forty years later the hammer is still in great shape. Thanks for the idea. Dick -----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of joe.knobtwister Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:52 PM To: TekScopes@... Subject: [TekScopes] Re: 475 Fan Motor Richard: Not sure what the split hub on the impeller looks like, but I have repaired such things as follows: First glue the split halves back together with thin CA (super glue) as you suggested. Then tightly wrap the OD of the hub with heavy cotton thread, one layer will usually do. While holding the wraps tight, saturate the thread with the thin CA. Have some acetate handy to unglue your fingers from the thread, impeller, each other, etc. By the way, cotton thread works best because it readily absorbs the CA, and be sure everything is free of oil, etc. before you start. |
Re: Tek Probe Question
For the gaussian response, the bandwidth = 0.339 / rise time which is
usually shorted to 0.35. For a sampling oscilloscope where the response is decided weird and not gaussian, the bandwidth = 0.442 / rise time or bandwidth = 0.468 / rise time depending on how it is calculated. Flat response DSOs could be anywhere from 0.4 to 0.5 but also display preshoot and overshoot when the input pulse is too fast. I now believe that explains the pulse distortion I saw on the Tektronix MSO5204 that I evaluated. On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:03:47 -0800, "Dennis Tillman" <dennis@...> wrote: Steve, |
Re: 475 Fan Motor
Richard:
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Not sure what the split hub on the impeller looks like, but I have repaired such things as follows: First glue the split halves back together with thin CA (super glue) as you suggested. Then tightly wrap the OD of the hub with heavy cotton thread, one layer will usually do. While holding the wraps tight, saturate the thread with the thin CA. Have some acetate handy to unglue your fingers from the thread, impeller, each other, etc. By the way, cotton thread works best because it readily absorbs the CA, and be sure everything is free of oil, etc. before you start. --- In TekScopes@..., "Richard" wrote:
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Re: Tektronix A6901 ground isolation monitor
Thnks for the explanation. Then I think it is usefull for what I want, power a DUT with it instead of a scope and use it as an isolation transformer with some added safety. Because if I understand you right, and the schematical drawing, in the case of a fault/short the DUT's case is grounded and powered down. And that is what I want. ( i have 3 differential p6046 probes and several differential plugins for the 7000 and 5XX series, so it is not intended for floating meaurements) i use the isolation transformer for safety just in case I make a fault by accident. I had a nasty experience with a HP 9100, it had a leaking mainsfilter cap. I touched the floating cabinet and an earthed rack and got a shock. I was only using a multimeter at that time. ? Fred PA4TIM Op 14 feb. 2013 om 01:14 heeft "Steve" <ditter2@...> het volgende geschreven:
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