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Re: [TekScopes2] Re:Replacing caps

davec
 

If I have a whole bunch to replace, I use solder paste, hot air, and a
quartz under board preheater. If I have only one or two to replace, I
use a fine tipped soldering iron and some #28AWG solder.
-=-=-=-

No hot air SMT apparatus or oven. Will be using fine tip iron.

Can you actually touch the tip to the caps' leads while the cap is resting in place? Or do you heat the pad while pressing down on the cap? (Flux paste is probably a good idea, too, I'd think...)

Thanks,
Dave


Re: Replacing caps (was: Help with Tek 2445)

davec
 

Chuck,
What about the small SM electro caps? Seems to me that these might be difficult to solder (being originally wave soldered) -- getting an iron in there might be difficult. I read that some folks use radial caps with very short, bent leads soldered to the pads.

Your experience?

Thanks,
Dave

-=-=-=-

Hi Dave,

It really doesn't matter, but because I order from Mouser most of the
time, I end up buying Nichicon. For the low voltage radial caps, I usually
use either UPW's or UHE's.

For higher voltage radial caps, I use UVZ's.

With axial caps, your choices become much more limited. Nichicon only makes
85C axial caps, but Xicon has a small series of 105C axial.

When I buy from Digikey, I tend to use the Panasonic FC, FM,EB,ED,EE...

Just about anything made today is an order of magnitude better than those
made when the 2445 was built.

-Chuck Harris

davec wrote:
Generally, I replace any bad electrolytic with 105C rated low ESR caps.
They are much longer lived than the 85C caps, and are good in switching
power supply filters.

-Chuck Harris
-=-=-=-

Chuck,
What manufacturer & series caps do you recommend?

Thanks,
Dave
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Re: Type 111 Pretrigger Pulse Generator not up to speed

 

--- In TekScopes@..., "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...> wrote:

Subject: [TekScopes] Type 111 Pretrigger Pulse Generator not
up to speed


I finally got around to replacing the caps in my Type 111 (s/n 490)
and find that it is not as fast as advertised; it's around 790pS,
where i had expected <=500pS.
Trying to deconvolve a fast rise time from a longer one is fraught with
problems. 500ps on a 1ns instrument response is a nominal 1.12ns - which is
only 14% different from your measured 1.275ns. Are you sure your timebase
is that accurate on the fastest sweep ranges (they often aren't).
I've got a chicken-and-egg problem here. I have a pile of 560-type sampling plugins that
I want to fix up, and need to get the 111 going to help do that :) Right now I'm borrowing
time on a modern Tek TDS4000 series. 350MHz digital phosphor unit. I have heard that
the frequency response of the recent digital scopes is not guassian - that the rise time is
somewhat faster than bandwidth alone would indicate. That makes me think that my
estimate of 111 risetime is actually erring on the high side.

Mostly I'm just glad it works at all, actually, I shouldn't complain too hard. I suppose the
3S gear and the 111 can bootstrap themselves up to speed, one step at a time.


281 pulser gets hot

Tim Phillips
 

From Tim P (UK)
I have a 281 TDR pulser on a 3S1.
After about 10 minutes the pulser
feels very hot. Should it?
I get a nice 1 volt pulse OK.
Tim.


Re: Tek 315D Oscilloscope Instruction Manual

 

--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Pierre F1BLF <pierrot8254@...> wrote:

From: Pierre F1BLF <pierrot8254@...>
Subject: [TekScopes] Tek 315D Oscilloscope Instruction Manual
To: TekScopes@...
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 9:29 PM






Hi Tekscopers,

I'm looking for a Tek 315D Instruction Manual,
preferably in a scanned form of PDF.

Many thanks in advance.

Pierre F1BLF


I could use one of those manuals too as I have one of those fine old relics in my collection. It is the only scope I have that I seriously thought of washing as it's the filthiest. Has broken fan mounts thanks to UPS but otherwise it is in very good physical condition. Complete with stacks of selenium rectifiers with a sticker that fell off stating that those had been replaced ages ago. Also contains plenty of "bumblebee" caps. Think I might be missing a cover plate over the HV section though. Occasionally I'll look at the scope but not planning on restoration any time soon, mainly due to the washing issue keeping me from even getting started. I?have?the scoped?wrapped in plastic so it doesn't get any dirtier!
?

?
Sorry to hijack the message. A few good pics in?there of the little beast if you care to look.
?
?
Dave


Somewhat OT: HP 8553B/8443A system needs new home (Los Angeles area)

 

All,
I posted this on the HP/Agilent group and haven't had anyone jump
at the chance to pick this stuff up:
I have upgraded my spectrum analyzers and I no longer have room for
the old units. The following items are available free to anyone who
can use them and is willing pick them up. (I live in Venice, California.)

140T/8552B/8553B system with a 8443A (late model, LED) tracking
generator.
2 each 8556A
8250A storage normalizer
Tek 604 monitor (use with 8250A)
HP 1331A variable persistence display

Let me know if you are interested.
-- John Gord ( johngord(at)verizon.net )


Tek 315D Oscilloscope Instruction Manual

 

Hi Tekscopers,

I'm looking for a Tek 315D Instruction Manual,
preferably in a scanned form of PDF.

Many thanks in advance.

Pierre F1BLF


part numbers for 1% resistors

jmassen418
 

Greetings,

Does someone have a list of the tektronix parts numbers for 1/8w 1%
metal film resistors? The prefix is 321. For example the part number
for a 1.47k resistor is 321-0209-00. I am trying to organize my part
bins.

jerry


Re: Type 111 Pretrigger Pulse Generator not up to speed

Craig Sawyers
 

Subject: [TekScopes] Type 111 Pretrigger Pulse Generator not
up to speed


I finally got around to replacing the caps in my Type 111 (s/n 490)
and find that it is not as fast as advertised; it's around 790pS,
where i had expected <=500pS.
Trying to deconvolve a fast rise time from a longer one is fraught with
problems. 500ps on a 1ns instrument response is a nominal 1.12ns - which is
only 14% different from your measured 1.275ns. Are you sure your timebase
is that accurate on the fastest sweep ranges (they often aren't).

The only sure way to measure it more accurately is to use something with a
response much faster than what you are trying to measure - ie a sampling set
up (which is precisely what the pretrigger of the 111 is for - getting the
sampling timebase up and running before the measurement event). To get a
good grip on the rise time and potential aberrations, you need a rise time
at least three times faster than what you are trying to measure (for a 10%
error). So at most at 170ps rise time. An S2, S4 or S6 sampling head will
do this, or a 1S2 from the earlier generation.

My main scope is set up with a spectrum analyser at the moment, or I would
get sampling up and running and measure my own type 111. It would just be
confirmation though - I've measured it before, and know for certain that it
gives less than 500ps rise.

Craig


Option 13 in an R7912?

Jose V. Gavila
 

Hello!

Today I have received my last Tek toy, an R7912 mainframe :-). It has a label in the plug-in compartment base which says 'Option 13'. I wonder if someone know what does it mean.

Thanks!

JOSE
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73 EB5AGV - JOSE V. GAVILA
IM99sm La Canyada - Valencia (SPAIN)

Vintage Radio and Test Equipment

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Need 475 scope

Dave_s
 

Hi folks,

The repair of my sick 475 scope is not occurring EASILY despite SO AMNY HELPFUL suggestions from members of this group. It is possible that the repair may occur.

Just in case, I am now searching for a replacement usable 475, 475A, or 485 in good working condition. What is available? Never having used EBAY, I am also interested in other sources that refurbish, calibrate, offer good used scopes, etc.


Still optimistic that I will find the fault parts.


Thank you, 73, W6MIK, Dave


2N1516 & 2N964 needed

Tim Phillips
 

from Tim P. (UK)
I need some 2N1516 and 2N964 s (Ge)
anyone know of a supply? Sphere can't help.
many thanks
Tim


Re: 2215 Problem

tom jobe
 

Hello Gary,
For what it's worth...
That same capacitor, 285-1222-00, was also used in the military version of
the 2235, It was used directly across the incoming AC lines just before the
full wave bridge rectifier as part number C904, and it did not have a
resistor in series with it..
I have a few partially stripped military 2235 mainboards, and they are all
missing C904, so I would guess that it must have been a component that had
problems.
Other 22XX scopes I looked at use a .0022 uF (2200 pF) 250 V capacitor for
C904.
tom jobe...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garey Barrell" <k4oah@...>
To: "Tekscopes" <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2215 Problem


Stefan -

It's not right across the line. It's in series with a 470 ohm 1/2W CC
resistor (which now measures 19 ohms) and looks like a "snubber" across
the AC line "after" a series inductor. There's an MOV (250VAC) and a
.001 cap across the line just after the fuse on the "line" side of the
inductor. This unit is rated for 220 primary power, although it's never
been used on anything but 120VAC.

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA



Stefan Trethan wrote:
I'm assuming this was the x-capacitor (across the power line)?

If so the very same thing happened to me and a fluke 8842a. It had just
come
from singapure, and worked just fine for a few hours beforehand.

The cap leaked a nasty brown liquid (and acrid smell). It stained my
fingers
for days. The cap was actually inside a Schaffner brand mains filter
module.

Anyway, if it was the x-capacitor, you should replace it with a rated x1
capacitor for mains filter purposes.

ST

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Garey Barrell
<k4oah@...>wrote:


I was using my 2215 for an hour or so the other night, and moved over
to
the desk to look at something else. About 30 minutes later I heard a
"sizzle - pop" and smoke comes rolling out the back of the cabinet!
Both sides! I walked over and turned up the Brightness, and had a
trace. So I shut it off, took it out of the case and did a close
inspection. Nothing! I couldn't find my small TORX bits (don't ever
move.......) but everything looked fine. So I turned it back on,
measured the supply voltages and all were right on..... Scope seemed to
be operating normally!?!?!

Today, I found my little TORX bits, and removed the inductor (the
HUUUMMMMMM) from the back panel and lo and behold, on the main board
underneath the inductor cover was what remained of C926, fanned out
like
a Rolodex. P/N 285-1222-00, 0.068 uF @ 250 VDC, 20%. This is a tiny
rectangular 1/4" x 3/4" by 1/2" high epoxy thing. Of course none of
the
million and a half capacitors that I have will even come close to
fitting mechanically.

So. Anyone have a source for these things, or perhaps have an "extra"
one.

help.....

--
73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA

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Re: 2445 vs 2465 scopes

 

The first problem I had with my 2445 was a PSU problem. I had
massive noise on the -15v unreg line, causing severe jitter on the
display. Turned out to be a leaky C1113 on the inverter board (A3).
I know what you mean about accessing the PSU boards. Some parts of
the removal procedure didn't seem to make any sense in the 2445
manual (especially the bit about removing the fan blade???). The
procedure in the 2465 manual was clearer.

My main concern was replacing all the multiway connectors once the
boards were refitted to the chassis. It's easy pulling them off, but
reconnecting them! Luckily my young nephew was on hand (with
smaller, more nimble fingers, and better eyesight than mine) to
reconnect them for me. :)

--- On Thu, 18/9/08, Philip Parsons wrote:
Date: Thursday, 18 September, 2008, 4:03 PM

Hi,
The 10V supply is actually about 5V now & all the others are equally
low,so the 10V supply is the main suspect. ( I decided to look at
the thing again today after leaving it for a few days. Pity the PSU
is such a pain to remove and work on. Have most of the screws out
but one refuses to move - the one holding the heatsink to the main
chassis immediately under the fuse.
I adjusted the grid bias with no effect on the display worthy of
comment, so it is not anything to do wiith the actual fault. I am
planning to replace the 10 or so electrolytics in the PSU as these
are supposed to be a common problem area although I can't see any
obvious damage but these are cheap enough not to worry about. I also
cleaned and checked ebvery connection to the CRT just in case of a
problem due to muck everyywhere but no difference to the display. I
suppose that the U800 problem is usually a case of "NO DISPLAY"
rather than a poor display and so assume that this is not something
I need to worry about at the monent.

I will keep looking as & when I can. Thanks for your help and
encouragement.
Must admit that I find these scopes a challenge but how satisfying
when (if)I get it working.

Cheers
Phil.



--- In TekScopes@..., "sukrat2007" <sukrat2007@...>
wrote:

All the voltages are referenced to +10v. If this is wrong then all
the others will be as well. So this is a good place to start.

Before the PSU fault, did you try adjusting the grid bias to see
if
it cleared up your display problem? Incorrect grid bias can cause
all sorts of strange displays on the screen.


Re: 2215 Problem

Garey Barrell
 

Stefan -

It's not right across the line. It's in series with a 470 ohm 1/2W CC resistor (which now measures 19 ohms) and looks like a "snubber" across the AC line "after" a series inductor. There's an MOV (250VAC) and a .001 cap across the line just after the fuse on the "line" side of the inductor. This unit is rated for 220 primary power, although it's never been used on anything but 120VAC.

73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA



Stefan Trethan wrote:

I'm assuming this was the x-capacitor (across the power line)?

If so the very same thing happened to me and a fluke 8842a. It had just come
from singapure, and worked just fine for a few hours beforehand.

The cap leaked a nasty brown liquid (and acrid smell). It stained my fingers
for days. The cap was actually inside a Schaffner brand mains filter module.

Anyway, if it was the x-capacitor, you should replace it with a rated x1
capacitor for mains filter purposes.

ST

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Garey Barrell <k4oah@...>wrote:


I was using my 2215 for an hour or so the other night, and moved over to
the desk to look at something else. About 30 minutes later I heard a
"sizzle - pop" and smoke comes rolling out the back of the cabinet!
Both sides! I walked over and turned up the Brightness, and had a
trace. So I shut it off, took it out of the case and did a close
inspection. Nothing! I couldn't find my small TORX bits (don't ever
move.......) but everything looked fine. So I turned it back on,
measured the supply voltages and all were right on..... Scope seemed to
be operating normally!?!?!

Today, I found my little TORX bits, and removed the inductor (the
HUUUMMMMMM) from the back panel and lo and behold, on the main board
underneath the inductor cover was what remained of C926, fanned out like
a Rolodex. P/N 285-1222-00, 0.068 uF @ 250 VDC, 20%. This is a tiny
rectangular 1/4" x 3/4" by 1/2" high epoxy thing. Of course none of the
million and a half capacitors that I have will even come close to
fitting mechanically.

So. Anyone have a source for these things, or perhaps have an "extra" one.

help.....

--
73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA


Re: 2215 Problem

Stefan Trethan
 

I'm assuming this was the x-capacitor (across the power line)?

If so the very same thing happened to me and a fluke 8842a. It had just come
from singapure, and worked just fine for a few hours beforehand.

The cap leaked a nasty brown liquid (and acrid smell). It stained my fingers
for days. The cap was actually inside a Schaffner brand mains filter module.

Anyway, if it was the x-capacitor, you should replace it with a rated x1
capacitor for mains filter purposes.

ST

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Garey Barrell <k4oah@...>wrote:

I was using my 2215 for an hour or so the other night, and moved over to
the desk to look at something else. About 30 minutes later I heard a
"sizzle - pop" and smoke comes rolling out the back of the cabinet!
Both sides! I walked over and turned up the Brightness, and had a
trace. So I shut it off, took it out of the case and did a close
inspection. Nothing! I couldn't find my small TORX bits (don't ever
move.......) but everything looked fine. So I turned it back on,
measured the supply voltages and all were right on..... Scope seemed to
be operating normally!?!?!

Today, I found my little TORX bits, and removed the inductor (the
HUUUMMMMMM) from the back panel and lo and behold, on the main board
underneath the inductor cover was what remained of C926, fanned out like
a Rolodex. P/N 285-1222-00, 0.068 uF @ 250 VDC, 20%. This is a tiny
rectangular 1/4" x 3/4" by 1/2" high epoxy thing. Of course none of the
million and a half capacitors that I have will even come close to
fitting mechanically.

So. Anyone have a source for these things, or perhaps have an "extra" one.

help.....

--
73, Garey - K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA


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Type 111 Pretrigger Pulse Generator not up to speed

 

I finally got around to replacing the caps in my Type 111 (s/n 490)
and find that it is not as fast as advertised; it's around 790pS,
where i had expected <=500pS. It's true that I'm using a 1nS Tr scope
(with direct 50 ohm connection) but I am back-calculating the 111's Tr
from the observed 1.275nS. I twiddled the avalanche adjust knob and
790 is the best I could get, and even that was pretty twitchy.
Anybody fought this battle before? Is Q84 (the output avalancher, a
2N636) just tired out from years of having to work so fast? :)


Re: Data transfer software for Tek 7854 ??

Geoff
 

I've uploaded a zip file of BasicA programs provided long ago by Tek.
Enjoy.
--Geoff

--- In TekScopes@..., "nj902" <wb0emu@...> wrote:

Way back when - before the Internet - Tek ran a BBS system where many
files were available for download. I kept a listing of those files
but I doubt if the BBS is still alive. I think they did move some of
the files to an FTP server but I can't seem to find them.


New file uploaded to TekScopes

 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the TekScopes
group.

File : /TEK-7854 SW.zip
Uploaded by : gbglacier <geoffb@...>
Description : Tek-7854 Software Zip File Utilities

You can access this file at the URL:


To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:


Regards,

gbglacier <geoffb@...>


Re: Data transfer software for Tek 7854 ??

Geoff
 

I uploaded a Tek Document (pdf) that describes and contains the Basic
programs to which I think you are referring.
Have Fun.
Geoff

--- In TekScopes@..., "nj902" <wb0emu@...> wrote:

Way back when - before the Internet - Tek ran a BBS system where many
files were available for download. I kept a listing of those files
but I doubt if the BBS is still alive. I think they did move some of
the files to an FTP server but I can't seem to find them.

One of the files in the listing is a package written in Basic for the
7854.

Maybe someone who had a 7854 and downloaded that software still has a
copy and could post it to the files area here.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In TekScopes@..., "Ray Johnson" <johnsorj666@>
wrote:

"...Has anyone found (or created) a simple GPIB data dump application
for the Tek 7854 scope? ..."