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Re: Free: Tektronix Scope evaluation board

 

If no one else wants it, I will take it. Just tell me the shipping fee.

Gary Robert Bosworth
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Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 4:25:38 PM
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Subject: [TekScopes] Free: Tektronix Scope evaluation board

Free: Tektronix Scope evaluation board.

9V battery was stored but leaked anyways. Board will have to be cleaned up. Original beat up cardboard box. Never used.

Sorry no model number visible on the board or box. Looks like 0805 SMD size components.

Located in Vancouver, BC Canada
Local pick up is fine.

Paypal okay for shipping, you cover any transaction fees.


Free: Tektronix Scope evaluation board

 

Free: Tektronix Scope evaluation board.

9V battery was stored but leaked anyways. Board will have to be cleaned up. Original beat up cardboard box. Never used.

Sorry no model number visible on the board or box. Looks like 0805 SMD size components.

Located in Vancouver, BC Canada
Local pick up is fine.

Paypal okay for shipping, you cover any transaction fees.


Re: 7704A - Readout Stretches Vertically

 

Another trick you can pull is to take the second scope, put it in XY mode, and look at the outputs of the character generator, I'd initially suggest the connectors to the V and H boards.? Should get the whole vertical/horizontal amplifier question out of the way.

Harvey

On 3/2/2024 4:51 PM, Albert Otten wrote:
Hi Barry,

With the same setup you can add a second input (plugin or channel) in the monitoring scope and display there the amplified signals present further on at the vertical amplifier board. Triggering as before (R4470) should remain unaffected when you change 7704A vertical position up/down. I would start with the deflection plates. With DC coupled input the observed actual character wave forms fragments will remain at the same vertical position while the normal trace moves up/down when you change the vertical position in the 7704A. Again you may see or not see an effect of that on the character waveform fragments.

Albert




Re: 7704A - Readout Stretches Vertically

 

Hi Barry,

With the same setup you can add a second input (plugin or channel) in the monitoring scope and display there the amplified signals present further on at the vertical amplifier board. Triggering as before (R4470) should remain unaffected when you change 7704A vertical position up/down. I would start with the deflection plates. With DC coupled input the observed actual character wave forms fragments will remain at the same vertical position while the normal trace moves up/down when you change the vertical position in the 7704A. Again you may see or not see an effect of that on the character waveform fragments.

Albert


Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

I imagine you can use it - on a good strip - but there's no repairing it once the silver that was bonded to the ceramic is gone. Now it's just bare ceramic.

Dave Wise
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of greenboxmaven via groups.io <ka2ivy@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:44 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

Finding 3% silver solder is not easy, but 4-6% is readily available. Is
there any problem in using it to repair the ceramic strips? This may
seem to be a foolish question, but sometimes when a little of something
is very good a little more may not be such a good choice.

Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 3/2/24 13:23, Dave Wise wrote:
I should have asked for one of those [Hexacon soldering iron] when I was laid off, in addition to the Weller and the Antex. I worked at Tek after the strip era but I remember seeing a few in dusty back rooms. Nowadays I do a lot of work on ceramic-era instruments.

Dave Wise
Information Display, 1980-1994
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Art S <artsamps@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 7:03 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

When we closed up our assembly department, my old boss gifted me an entire box of the Hexacon stick irons shown in the video. All brand new in boxes, spare elements, the whole deal. They may not be temperature controlled, but I still believe them to be one of the finest, most reliable irons ever made.

Cheers, Art










Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

Finding 3% silver solder is not easy, but 4-6% is readily available. Is there any problem in using it to repair the ceramic strips? This may seem to be a foolish question, but sometimes when a little of something is very good a little more may not be such a good choice.

?? Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 3/2/24 13:23, Dave Wise wrote:
I should have asked for one of those [Hexacon soldering iron] when I was laid off, in addition to the Weller and the Antex. I worked at Tek after the strip era but I remember seeing a few in dusty back rooms. Nowadays I do a lot of work on ceramic-era instruments.

Dave Wise
Information Display, 1980-1994
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Art S <artsamps@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 7:03 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

When we closed up our assembly department, my old boss gifted me an entire box of the Hexacon stick irons shown in the video. All brand new in boxes, spare elements, the whole deal. They may not be temperature controlled, but I still believe them to be one of the finest, most reliable irons ever made.

Cheers, Art









Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

On Friday 01 March 2024 12:48:10 pm Greg Muir via groups.io wrote:
Randy,

Just a side note.

I don¡¯t know if you are aware of a soldering issue involved with those terminal strips. The silver plating is very fragile and use of standard solder will leach the silver out of the strip resulting in little or no possibility of use. This is often stated in the Tek manuals for equipment utilizing these strips.

Those little rolls of solder Tek included inside each product is a ¡°silver bearing¡± solder to be used when repairing the unit. Since it contains less silver than normal ¡°silver¡± solder it will melt at a much lower point.
My "spare" scope uses those kind of terminals, and I think I had to do one minor repair on it, a leaky cap in the vertical amplifier. Didn't spend too much time soldering there. The scope does have that little compartment where there's supposed to be some of that Tek solder in there, but it's empty. Is there anything specific that I should get a hold of in case I need to work on this thing in the future?

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Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

To confirm Jean-Paul¡¯s post, I also use a Metcal iron with no problems when dealing with these terminal strips. The ability to have the heat source right at the tip with the internal ferromagnetic element eliminates any thermal resistance between the heating element and the tip. This provides continuously regulated heat at the tip to quickly flow the solder and reduce contact time with the part.

It¡¯s also nice to be able to select the right tip size for the job.

Greg


Re: 7704A - Readout Stretches Vertically

 

The same vertical amplifier drives the display for both trace and characters.? If, while displaying a triangle wave, you do not see any non-linearity when the trace is within the zone of the readouts, then it's the readouts.

Looking at J3405 on the Y readout connection to the vertical amplifier suggests that if Q4470 on the vertical amplifier is odd, then you've got some problems.? What I would suspect is non-linearity either around Q4470? (possible, check waveforms on good and bad scopes), or back in the Y readout.? I'd think that Q4479 and Q4485 might be well behaved, although they are not in the signal path except for the readout.? One presumes that the capacitors C4427, C4424, and pots R4427, R4423 are well behaved.

On the readout board, I'd hope that U3480 is ok, that's the stroke generator.? That leaves you with checking Q3486 and Q3489 for bad biasing.? If you have a good board (I think you do), then comparison between boards is going to be a key, also looking at waveforms.

Q3486 is an example of a grounded base system, where the voltage gain has to do with the emitter resistor to +15 and collector resistor (effective) to -15.? Q3493 looks to be more of an emitter follower than anything else, so it generally gets non-linear if it's leaky or it runs out of headroom.? Again, voltage and waveform comparisons are likely the key.

Hope this helps a bit.


Harvey

On 3/2/2024 12:59 PM, n4buq wrote:
I have monitored the signal at that point and cannot see any difference there when positioning the trace at the top or bottom. Yes, fully CW or CCW is most likely overdriving the vertical amplifier and the stretching is at its worst at those settings; however, the stretching is quite noticeable even when a trace is positioned at the top or bottom of the screen. The stretching is worse on the characters at the top when the trace is at the bottom and vice-versa. I can see a very small bit of this effect on the characters in my other 7704A but it is much worse in this one.

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ

Hi Barry,

It should be not too difficult to check whether or not the incoming signal at
R4470 is affected by vertical position changes.
I tried this (and saw no effect, of course) viewing and triggering that incoming
signal, also with delayed sweep. It's best to have all readouts in the same
row since then you can enlarge the waveform without overdriving the monitoring
scope. The actual observed character height can be twice that of the height on
the 7704A.
By the way, 7704A positions fully CW and fully CCW might also be at the border
of overdriving the vertical amplifier. I would not go beyond top and bottom of
the CRT.

Albert




Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

I should have asked for one of those [Hexacon soldering iron] when I was laid off, in addition to the Weller and the Antex. I worked at Tek after the strip era but I remember seeing a few in dusty back rooms. Nowadays I do a lot of work on ceramic-era instruments.

Dave Wise
Information Display, 1980-1994
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Art S <artsamps@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 7:03 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

When we closed up our assembly department, my old boss gifted me an entire box of the Hexacon stick irons shown in the video. All brand new in boxes, spare elements, the whole deal. They may not be temperature controlled, but I still believe them to be one of the finest, most reliable irons ever made.

Cheers, Art


Re: 7704A - Readout Stretches Vertically

 

I have monitored the signal at that point and cannot see any difference there when positioning the trace at the top or bottom. Yes, fully CW or CCW is most likely overdriving the vertical amplifier and the stretching is at its worst at those settings; however, the stretching is quite noticeable even when a trace is positioned at the top or bottom of the screen. The stretching is worse on the characters at the top when the trace is at the bottom and vice-versa. I can see a very small bit of this effect on the characters in my other 7704A but it is much worse in this one.

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ

Hi Barry,

It should be not too difficult to check whether or not the incoming signal at
R4470 is affected by vertical position changes.
I tried this (and saw no effect, of course) viewing and triggering that incoming
signal, also with delayed sweep. It's best to have all readouts in the same
row since then you can enlarge the waveform without overdriving the monitoring
scope. The actual observed character height can be twice that of the height on
the 7704A.
By the way, 7704A positions fully CW and fully CCW might also be at the border
of overdriving the vertical amplifier. I would not go beyond top and bottom of
the CRT.

Albert



Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

The Tektronix video that David Holland linked in his post ( ) mentions a key point which is to apply the soldering iron tip to the component leads rather than trying to heat the silvered notch directly. The video does a good job of showing the process which looks quick and easy. They even say that not much heat is required. Skip to the 2:55 mark if you want to go directly to the soldering demonstration.


Re: I've done it! Finally, a real Tektronix book!

 

If you go to the Elektor site you will find a download link that shows a view of the cover and of the table of contents.

Tom

On 3/2/2024 8:08 AM, Grayson Evans wrote:
THe book looks great! Can you tell us a little about it (table of contents?)
When will it be shipping. Do you know if they will ship to the U.S?
Can¡¯t wait to read it!
Grayson
KJ7UM
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Re: I've done it! Finally, a real Tektronix book!

 

Congratulations Gianni,

Your skill and dedication has been evident from the very first pdf you made available here. Great content and equally great quality of design of the pages. Now that hard work has resulted in this amazing book.


Tom

On 3/2/2024 5:23 AM, Gianni Becattini via groups.io wrote:
Hi Guys,
thanks to the trust of Elektor, one of the best known electronics editors, with my immense joy, a book of mine became reality...
I mean: a real book, in real paper, not just a pdf file.
I am incredibly happy with the result, which went beyond my expectations. Two kilograms, nearly 600 pages and a very high quality.
If you like, you can buy it from here:
Currently it says "out of stock" but it is coming.
I added two photos of the book in the photo section.
I wish to thank the Editor and the many who helped me in reaching this target.


Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

We Use Metcal Smartheat iron.
Use ONLY silver 2..3% solder icluded inside scope.
Check serv manual for tip temp recommendations.

DO NOT OVERHEAT!
easy to crack ceramic.

Good luck,


Jon


Re: I've done it! Finally, a real Tektronix book!

 

THe book looks great! Can you tell us a little about it (table of contents?)
When will it be shipping. Do you know if they will ship to the U.S?
Can¡¯t wait to read it!


Grayson
KJ7UM
Check out Hollow-State Design
tinyurl.com/hollowstatedesign3 <>
My technical blog:
kj7um.wordpress.com <>


Re: F.S.: Tek "CONSOLE PORT" TDS 5/6/7xx Oscilloscope Debug Card RS-232

 

Hello rivet_head,
Yes, it gives me satisfaction to have made this little card that I sell all over the world.
The last TDSs I found were all without Option 013, I'm also sorry about the distance.....shipping back and forth
would cost more than the value of the card.
Greetings.
maurizio


Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

When we closed up our assembly department, my old boss gifted me an entire box of the Hexacon stick irons shown in the video. All brand new in boxes, spare elements, the whole deal. They may not be temperature controlled, but I still believe them to be one of the finest, most reliable irons ever made.

Cheers, Art


Re: Tek TM515 free for pickup

 

I don't know. It was just something that occurred to me out of the mists of time since I've made the mistake of putting a TM-50x plug-in that requires a high-power compartment in a non-high-power compartment (I think it was actually a PS-501-1).

I'll have to go and look at the manuals to see if the PS-501-1 can go into a TM-515. Since the TM-515 in question is being passed on, the question is kind of academic at this point.

DaveD

On Mar 2, 2024, at 08:53, Colin Herbert via groups.io <colingherbert@...> wrote:

?I don't suppose I'll be the only one to offer this information, but Tekwiki states that the TM-515 does _not_ have a high-power bay, but if a PS-505 is put into a standard-power bay, it is limited to 1A output, rather than the possible 4A. Tekwiki doesn't mention a PS-505-1 variant. Did you get this correct, Dave?

Colin.

On 02/03/2024 13:08, Dave Daniel wrote:
A TM-515 is certainly worth having.

I forget whether it has a"high power" slot like the TM-504/6 mainframes, but in any case my first thought was that a PS-505-1 needs to be in a high power slot or else it won't work.

DaveD

On Mar 2, 2024, at 00:50, Jim Ford<james.ford@...> wrote:
?Yes, this TM515 portable TM500 series mainframe has to go. Now, it's not working properly, but you can have it free if you're willing to pick it up at my place in Laguna Hills, California, USA.

I tried using a PS501-1 in it, but the 5 V output read about 0.7 V in the right 3 slots, and was an unstable about 5 V in the left 2 slots. I bought the PS501-1 from Sphere Research, so it should be working.

Pick up only, please.

Jim Ford
Laguna Hills, California, USA

"And we know that God causes all things to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them." Romans 8:28 (NLT)









Re: about those vintage ceramic terminal strips...

 

Thanks all for the pointers. Yes, I knew about the silver solder thing. Have a spool of Radio Shack branded stuff purchased when there were still retail stores.

Looks like I¡¯ll have to upgrade the Hakko with something a little beefier should I get really busy with the ceramic strips.

Oh, and I don¡¯t suppose the slip-on retainers for the plastic posts are available anywhere. I use a combination of heat shrink tubing and hot melt glue. Obviously not a first-cabin method.

= Randy=