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Re: Recreating an old board for the 7854
Eagle doesn't have python scripts, but I can highly recommend using their
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scripts to generate things like connectors. You get to place everything declaratively, exactly where you need it, with exactly the right name. It is trivial to generate these scripts via python/<whatever> if they are beyond cut and paste in an editor. On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:06 PM Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
It's actually less work than you might think. Creating the connector --
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Re: Recreating an old board for the 7854
It's actually less work than you might think.? Creating the connector finger is easy enough.? I don't remember that I had to do too much other than create a single rectangle.? However, aligning each to the gridwork that is the pin spacing, that eliminates errors there.? That's essentially the trick here.
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Then you make one, then copy that and make 2, then 4, then 8, and so on Delete the ones you don't need.? It turns out to be less effort than you might think. All of which is true if you don't want to use a script (I think that Eagle doesn't have python scrips).? Many can't program, or don't want to, so the alternate does work. Ultimately, you do what makes sense to you.? Either method works.... Harvey On 7/28/2021 8:07 PM, Ke-Fong Lin wrote:
What the python script does is to do a step and repeat that you're doingHi Harvey, |
Re: Recreating an old board for the 7854
What the python script does is to do a step and repeat that you're doingHi Harvey, I agree that you can do it manually. However, it's very tedious and error prone, whereas a computer would basically shine at that kind of repetitive task. Plus a script can be retargeted, just plug-in the new pitch value and voila. Best regards, |
Re: Recreating an old board for the 7854
Awesome that would be great. I am kind of out of my depth on this one. TheHi, I've done some search for "AMP 3-530662-0" and there was already some interest about 7854. /g/TekScopes/topic/7649085 There are 2 modern current production models for the 80 and 44 pins .125" pitch connector: EDAC 346-080-555-201 EDAC 346-044-555-201 Full dimensional specs are available here: I can definitely change the values in my script to generate the two required footprints. Give me a day or two. Best regards, |
Re: 7000 test/cal module(s) and backplane breakout board.
Also, here is the dimensional drawing of the outline for my breakout board:Hi Andy, Thanks for your quick answer, I think you're absolutely correct at 3.9 inches. I've double checked the datasheet edge connector (made by EDAC) I'm using for my extender project. And the "D" size for 38 pins (76 pins double sided) is 3.9 inches. I didn't pay that much attention to that and used 3.8 inches for my project, whereas the exact information was right in front of me. I also work in metric, I live in Europe (France) after all. But for electronics, I always try to make it imperial compatible, hence my board is 96.52mm (it should have been 99.06mm). If you have some time to spare, there's a funny video by an english guy about metric vs imperial: Best regards, |
Re: 5642 rectifier tubes in a Tek 535: Replace or swap for silicone?
That should take care of your needs for at least a couple of weeks.
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Have fun building your 2MV rectifier stack! Cheers Tom Sent from my iThing, so please forgive brevity and typos On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:00, Michael A. Terrell <terrell.michael.a@...> wrote: |
Discord server for Tek & HPAK lists
Hi all,
since a few people voiced interest in this, I set up a Discord server for the Tek and HPAK lists. Before joining please read the below. Discord is a free program (with a paid tier as well which you don't need) that allows you to chat in real time using text chat, images and file attachments, as well as voice chat and real-time screen-sharing video streams. It works on computers as well as on mobile phones (computers). Each community has its own server (you can also say each community has "a discord" or "a guild"). Each server contains several separate text channels which contain logs of past conversations. The channels are usually dedicated to one topic each. There's a few things to mention. 1. This does not replace either list. It's not "official" in any way. Moderators of the Tek and HPAK lists are not moderators on the Discord (as of now). 2. There are channels for HPAK and Tek as well as other topical channels and an off-topic "general" channel. There's a channel for "other testing equipment" as well as a general electronics channel. Other channels can be added by me if there's ever a need, it's not really limited. If you see a need let me know. 3. This is meant for real-time chat as well as general chat, getting to know each other more on a personal level, checking in on each other if anyone is in bad health, talking in real time when trying to work out technical issues, do presentations, video streams, etc. You can put Discord on your smart phone and beam out its camera to other users in real time to show them around your collection or a circuit, and that's very useful. 4. The rules are described when you first join the server and you have to accept them to be able to take part. Some channels have extra rules in the topic. I will make up other rules as I go. I will likely arbitrate things that are not described in the rules and might decide in contradiction to the rules. I will probably bring in others to help at some point. Anyone who doesn't like the rules can leave. The rules will be different than on the mailing lists. Anyone who acts badly will be made to kneel on vintage NOS tunnel diodes for 6 hours right after being flogged with 900mm triax cables. This is not an invitation to act badly (you know who you are). I would love to say that everyone is welcome but obviously some people will find ways to make themselves unwelcome, don't be that guy. 5. Please use the same name / user ID as on the mailing lists, so we know who's who - it'll make things much easier. Please use general sense and always prefer to keep a friendly (not just civil, but explicitly friendly) conversation rather than a "technically anally correct" or "i am logically more in the right" conversation. Point 4 applies. Don't spam, don't flood, try not to use enter as punctuation, don't post walls of text. You can join the server using the following link, which will expire in 7 days. This is to prevent spam bots from joining. If you want to join past those 7 days, email me off list and I'll send you a new link. It's best of you first install the Discord desktop application on your computer or phone, and then enter the link there by copy-pasting or typing it in. You can also use Discord from the browser, but that's less optimal, because you won't be able to know if someone's talking to you when you don't have the Discord tab open, and Discord is primarily about immediate contact, which is then lost. Enjoy |
Another 494AP VR mystery
Of the 3 494AP instruments I'm working on right now two have VRs marked as
644-0776-01. I don't know how those made it into those units and those two are quite different ones -- one is early numbers (B01xxx) original 494AP while other one was a 2756P with critically damaged front panel (it's been dropped on the lower left corner face down so FP was beyond repair) that I made into 494AP by replacing the FP with one from 494AP and putting it into 494AP cabinet. That one has later B02xxx S/N. It doesn't look like they were replaced, seem to come like that from the factory. Those VRs have additional trimpot, R2045 on VR Input board with additional components on that board. The purpose of that trimpot was kinda mystery but I finally found what it was :) It is NOT an additional filter and that pot is not a level adjustment. The 644-0776-01 VR assembly most probably comes from 2794 SA. It is fully compatible but with some differences that are worth to know about. The added circuitry and R2045 is a +10dB gain step that REPLACED the one on 20dB gain steps board, controlled with R2060. They decided to put that step at VR input instead of output. It is controlled by the same signal that previously controlled the one with R2060. VR Mother #1 was modified so the proper signal is routed to the input stage. Old +10dB (the lowest level one) gain step controlled with R2060 has been disabled by connecting the Y signal to ground on VR Mother #1 (it goes to R1065) and grounding R1064 instead of connecting it to +5V to keep Q1062 open (high impedance). Those are still there and might have some [small] effect so it is better to remove R1064, R1065, R2063, R1056, R2062, C2059, C2069, Q1062 along with R2060 trimpot. That R2060 is a dummy on 664-0776-01 having no effect on anything. When adjusting the last +10dB step that mystery R2045 should be used instead of R2060. Existing VR Mother #2 with second filter select and output amplifier is compatible with the mother #1 with everything on it from 644-0776-01 if somebody wanted to know. Just remember that crystal filters are matched on first and second boards so make sure you pull proper SETs if replacing half of VR. Just use old boards with the filters, they didn't change on 644-0776-01. Just for information if somebody need it... --- * * KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. * * Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. * * |
Re: 7000 test/cal module(s) and backplane breakout board.
I have created a github project to support this work:
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Currently it includes the eagle files for the breakout board as well as the dimensioned outline. On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:58 AM Andy Warner <andyw@...> wrote:
I see that, thanks - I'm going to take a look at the schmitt trigger input --
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More hard to find Tek parts, and a great EPROM programmer
walter shawlee
We just added a nice assortment of Tek repair parts and pouches in the Tektronix section of the stuff day page:
also a great time mark generator there for sweep calibration. and a great Data I/O 29B/2B EPROM programmer in the R+D section. worth a look if you need to be distracted today. all the best, walter (walter2 -at- sphere.bc.ca) sphere research corp. |
Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book
Or an alternate album cover photo for The Who's Who Are You album!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Jim Ford?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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-------- Original message --------From: Clark Foley <clarkfoley@...> Date: 7/28/21 2:22 PM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek Scopes found in old picture book I thought the guys were just checking the audio system for a KISS concert!
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Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book
I had dismissed the notion that this was picture of a vacuum tube computer when I first saw the image, partly because of the description of the contents of the book ("How the Microchip is Changing Our World" sure doesn't seem like the place for a picture of a vacuum tube based device), and partly because I misinterpreted what I saw on the computer screens in the background. Now it seems obvious that the computers were running software to either emulate or monitor a Williams tube. In any case I must (publicly) admit to being spectacularly wrong about the picture in a private conversation: I had expected that this was an image of a radio astronomy lab, or maybe a radio or microwave transmission facility.
Also, I had assumed that the CRT we see in the foreground was for a Tek 500-series scope, but now it seems like it is probably the replacement for the Williams tube display, which makes more sense of why it would be just sitting there, naked like that. -- Jeff Dutky |
Re: TM5xx extenders
I have now examined several 7000-series plug-ins as well, and they do not appear to be beveled either, nor do they show obvious signed of being "rolled". I'm not saying that this was not done, just that it's not obvious to casual inspection (or inspection with a 30X loupe).
Again, I have not actually measured anything with calipers or micrometer, but everything I've looked at looks like an unmodified PCB edge. -- Jeff Dutky |
Re: 5642 rectifier tubes in a Tek 535: Replace or swap for silicone?
Dick
With the price of NIB 5642's going for around $5
on that auction site, why bother with Solid State devices ? 73, Dick, W1KSZ ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael A. Terrell <terrell.michael.a@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 10:00 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 5642 rectifier tubes in a Tek 535: Replace or swap for silicone? I bought a reel of 5000 - Vishay HER105-T High Efficiency 400V 1A DO41 Diodes, a couple years ago for under $23. On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:34 PM Tom Lee <tomlee@...> wrote: A series string of UF4007s with a 10kV breakdown voltage would have of |
Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book
Oh, it's off to the right.? Had to scroll over there.? Yep, it looks just like an SS-5706.? (Now, where is that face-palm emoji when I need it?)? ? ? ? ?JimSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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-------- Original message --------From: Tom Lee <tomlee@...> Date: 7/28/21 10:44 AM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek Scopes found in old picture book Did you look online at any pics of the SS-5706? Looks like a pretty close match to me.-- Prof. Thomas H. LeeAllen Ctr., Rm. 205350 Jane Stanford WayStanford UniversityStanford, CA 94305-4070 7/28/2021 10:26, Jim Ford wrote:> Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything that looks like any of the Iwatsu scopes I'm familiar with.? I used to have 3 of them; can't remember model numbers, but they did have 60, 100, and 250 MHz bandwidths.? ?The 60 MHz one had a DMM and frequency counter on top.? Obviously copied from Tek 400 series scopes, but why own Iwatsu when you could own Tek?? So I sold them all and bought several Tek 7000 and 5000 series scopes. :)? ? ? ? ? ?Jim Ford?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: Tom Lee <tomlee@...> Date: 7/28/21? 9:30 AM? (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek Scopes found in old picture book Offhand, I'd say that it is an Iwatsu, maybe an SS-5706.Tom-- Prof. Thomas H. LeeAllen Ctr., Rm. 205350 Jane Stanford WayStanford UniversityStanford, CA 94305-4070 7/28/2021 09:11, Carsten Bormann wrote:> On 2021-07-28, at 17:02, Dave Peterson via groups.io <davidpinsf@...> wrote:>> And are those 400 series scopes I see hints of (blue screens) on the far right of the racks?> My brain tells me that I saw Hamegs in the rack when I visited seven years ago.>> My picture at is not clear enough to read what¡¯s on the scope in the rack; it doesn¡¯t shout ¡°Hameg¡± at me either.> It doesn¡¯t look to me like a 475 or some such.>> Gr¨¹?e, Carsten>>>> >>>> >>
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Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book
Well, the SS-5706A I saw online looked like one of my old Iwatsus on steroids! I didn't catch anything like that in Carsten's photo, but then I'm viewing it on a tiny smartphone screen.? Oh well.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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-------- Original message --------From: Tom Lee <tomlee@...> Date: 7/28/21 10:44 AM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek Scopes found in old picture book Did you look online at any pics of the SS-5706? Looks like a pretty close match to me.-- Prof. Thomas H. LeeAllen Ctr., Rm. 205350 Jane Stanford WayStanford UniversityStanford, CA 94305-4070 7/28/2021 10:26, Jim Ford wrote:> Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything that looks like any of the Iwatsu scopes I'm familiar with.? I used to have 3 of them; can't remember model numbers, but they did have 60, 100, and 250 MHz bandwidths.? ?The 60 MHz one had a DMM and frequency counter on top.? Obviously copied from Tek 400 series scopes, but why own Iwatsu when you could own Tek?? So I sold them all and bought several Tek 7000 and 5000 series scopes. :)? ? ? ? ? ?Jim Ford?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: Tom Lee <tomlee@...> Date: 7/28/21? 9:30 AM? (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek Scopes found in old picture book Offhand, I'd say that it is an Iwatsu, maybe an SS-5706.Tom-- Prof. Thomas H. LeeAllen Ctr., Rm. 205350 Jane Stanford WayStanford UniversityStanford, CA 94305-4070 7/28/2021 09:11, Carsten Bormann wrote:> On 2021-07-28, at 17:02, Dave Peterson via groups.io <davidpinsf@...> wrote:>> And are those 400 series scopes I see hints of (blue screens) on the far right of the racks?> My brain tells me that I saw Hamegs in the rack when I visited seven years ago.>> My picture at is not clear enough to read what¡¯s on the scope in the rack; it doesn¡¯t shout ¡°Hameg¡± at me either.> It doesn¡¯t look to me like a 475 or some such.>> Gr¨¹?e, Carsten>>>> >>>> >>
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Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book
Did you look online at any pics of the SS-5706? Looks like a pretty close match to me.
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-- Prof. Thomas H. Lee Allen Ctr., Rm. 205 350 Jane Stanford Way Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4070 On 7/28/2021 10:26, Jim Ford wrote:
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything that looks like any of the Iwatsu scopes I'm familiar with.? I used to have 3 of them; can't remember model numbers, but they did have 60, 100, and 250 MHz bandwidths.? ?The 60 MHz one had a DMM and frequency counter on top.? Obviously copied from Tek 400 series scopes, but why own Iwatsu when you could own Tek?? So I sold them all and bought several Tek 7000 and 5000 series scopes. :)? ? ? ? ? ?Jim Ford?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone |
Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything that looks like any of the Iwatsu scopes I'm familiar with.? I used to have 3 of them; can't remember model numbers, but they did have 60, 100, and 250 MHz bandwidths.? ?The 60 MHz one had a DMM and frequency counter on top.? Obviously copied from Tek 400 series scopes, but why own Iwatsu when you could own Tek?? So I sold them all and bought several Tek 7000 and 5000 series scopes. :)? ? ? ? ? ?Jim Ford?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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-------- Original message --------From: Tom Lee <tomlee@...> Date: 7/28/21 9:30 AM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek Scopes found in old picture book Offhand, I'd say that it is an Iwatsu, maybe an SS-5706.Tom-- Prof. Thomas H. LeeAllen Ctr., Rm. 205350 Jane Stanford WayStanford UniversityStanford, CA 94305-4070 7/28/2021 09:11, Carsten Bormann wrote:> On 2021-07-28, at 17:02, Dave Peterson via groups.io <davidpinsf@...> wrote:>> And are those 400 series scopes I see hints of (blue screens) on the far right of the racks?> My brain tells me that I saw Hamegs in the rack when I visited seven years ago.>> My picture at is not clear enough to read what¡¯s on the scope in the rack; it doesn¡¯t shout ¡°Hameg¡± at me either.> It doesn¡¯t look to me like a 475 or some such.>> Gr¨¹?e, Carsten>>>> >>
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Re: 5642 rectifier tubes in a Tek 535: Replace or swap for silicone?
I bought a reel of 5000 - Vishay HER105-T High Efficiency 400V 1A DO41
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Diodes, a couple years ago for under $23. On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:34 PM Tom Lee <tomlee@...> wrote:
A series string of UF4007s with a 10kV breakdown voltage would have of |
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