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7B53 and 7B92 plugins need work
I've got one of each (7B53 and 7B92 timebases) that need repair and I just don't have the time and inclination to mess with them, and don't think I will any time soon. Way too many projects including the sampling setup I'm struggling with. Nor do I have a 7K extender!
The 7B53 has a problem with the switch knobs (pull the delay and it just spins) and the sweep is very strange looking and short (or a stationary spot). The 7B92 works fine for half an hour or so, then the sweep disappears and only the pull-delay trace works. Sometimes the original trace will come back intermittently. Taking offers for one or both before I go to the trouble of putting them on ebay. Shipping will be from US zip 65775. Hope this is allowed on the group - if not, let me know. Thanks. |
Re: 3T77 tunnel diodes (again)
Thank you... that's an good explanation (and picture), and it does make sense.
But my faster S-2 with original diodes displays the same behavior in the same setup, although with "only" six or seven steps instead of nine - so I'm not inclined to blame it all on the replacement diodes :) I did run the pulse generator output to the external trigger input on the 3B3, too. The pics in the S-1 and S-2 manuals do not show this phenomenon, either, which is why I was puzzled. Why wouldn't Tek have noted it? Anyhow, this 3T77A likely has other issues I haven't found yet. So far, one TD and one staircase-generator diode if you're keeping score ;) |
Re: [Tek 485] No intensity control
Hi Ozan
Intensity control works except in X-Y mode. In X-Y mode the spot remains displayed with the same intensity no mattter what is the intensity knob position. Exercising the VERT MODE / HORIZ MODE switches doesn't improve X-Y mode intensity modification. I set both Intensity & B Intensity knobs to 9 o'clock position. At CR1561 anode, I get 1.12V Output (p8) of U1560 is : 14.1V Note that changing intensity knob position does not affect the voltage reading. I also measured all the pins Voltage (all in V): (1) .250 (9) 0 (2) 1.251 (10) 4.18 (3) GND (11) 15.02 - VCC (4) .448 (12) 5.022 (5) 0 (13) 4.99 - VCC (6) .832 (14) .097 (7) 1.055 (15) .905 (8) 14.11 (16) .246 Jose |
Re: Tektronix 606A that resists being repaired
Chuck Harris
Hi JdR,
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Removing the base of the CRT eliminates the load from the oscillator, and gives it a much larger margin for handling overloading caused by transformer problems, or other circuitry leakage. If you can, measure the current the oscillator is drawing in both conditions. -Chuck Harris jrseattle wrote: Thanks for your suggestions. I did the oscillator part first. |
Tracking generator compatibility question
Good Morning All!
I have a DUMB question. Is a Tek TR503 compatible with a Tek 496 SA? I have both and have never been able to get them to play nice. It's probably me. I've got manuals, BUT I just noticed that the 496 manual keeps referring to a TR502, not a 503. The Tek 492 manual refers to the TR503. So, I'd like some input. Thanks!! -- Kim Herron W8ZV kim dot herron at sbcglobal dot net |
Re: 549 transformer question
Chuck Harris
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Some further research, prompted by another member, had me looking at some papers on microstepping practices. When you turn the shaft on most stepper motors, you will feel some cogging, as the poles on the rotor line up with the poles on the stator. These cogs line up with the full step positions of the motor in normal full step operation. Microstepping is when your motor driver oscillates between two adjacent full step positions at a rate that is faster than the motor can quickly move, which causes the rotor's mass to average out its angular position to somewhere between the two adjacent full step positions. By changing the ratio of time in position 1 to time in position 2, you can, in theory, select any angular position between those two steps. The problem is, the rotor is magnetically inclined to be in one full step position or the other. This inclination causes the angular positions of the microsteps to be rotated towards the nearest full step position, leaving a dead zone half way between the two adjacent full steps. When your motor driver tries to step over top of this dead zone, it jumps, creating irregular spacing, noise, vibration, and an unwanted burst of acceleration. In my case, I think this unwanted burst of acceleration is causing the wire to crimp, as the spacing between the crimps doesn't seem to get finer, when the driver is set to finer microsteps. On the advice of another member, I have purchased some more sophisticated motor drivers (TMC2219), that are supposed to sense when the motor passes through these unstable microstepping positions, and adjust the drive to eliminate the instability. I will report back after I have figured out how to use them, and have done a few trial winds... -Chuck Harris Roger M wrote: Hi Chuck, |
Re: TDS784C Signal Path Compensation Error
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 5:34 PM Steve Hendrix <SteveHx@...>
wrote: Can anyone guide me as to what type relays, Here's an EEVBlog thread with the info: . You may want to verify that this information is correct before you order the relays. IIRC there are three per attenuator. Also, isI took one of the bad relays from an attenuator and cycled it for thousands of cycles out of the scope, but it didn't seem to help. I even drilled a hole in the relay to inject some DeOxit then cycled it some more, which still didn't seem to help. Maybe if you could run a low current through the contacts as they're cycled, that'd work, I don't know. |
Re: Tek. 454 no triggering on A or B
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Maybe I can help you a little bit. I have a 454 oscilloscope. You can use my oscilloscope as a working reference unit. Set up your 454 displaying the 1 V PP calibration signal into channel 1 via a coax cable and I will do the same. Tell me which test points that you would like me to check on my oscilloscope. I will report back to you what I see. Regards, John Crighton Sydney ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Vincent" <orangeglowaudio@...> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 12:09 PM Subject: [TekScopes] Tek. 454 no triggering on A or B I have a 454 that will not trigger on A or B timebase. I bought knowing of --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. |
Re: Looking for P6042 current probe transformer/hall-sensor replacement instructions
Actually it was the fixed resistor in the early ones and a potentiometer (wired as such) in the later ones...
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of cmjones01 Sent: 01 March 2021 12:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Looking for P6042 current probe transformer/hall-sensor replacement instructions Is this anything like the procedure for the A6302 current probe? I've got a couple of those here and seem to remember that there is an adjustment for the offset voltage of the hall effect sensor. In early models it was a variable resistor, but later it was changed to be a fixed resistor whose value was specified for the individual hall effect/current transformer assembly.So if that assembly was replaced, the resistor would probably need changing too. Some hall sensors needed a positive offset, some negative, so sometimes the resistor was connected with one end to the positive supply rail and sometimes to the negative. In either case, the existing variable resistor would need to be turned all the way to one end because it's no longer in use, and presumably the fixed resistor's value is determined based on the variable resistor being set this way. Chris On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 11:19 AM benj3867 via groups.io <benj3867@...> wrote:
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Re: TDS784C Signal Path Compensation Error
Please contact me offline at SteveHx@.... Thank you in advance for any info you can provide.
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Steve Hendrix At 2021-03-01 07:32 AM, you wrote:
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Re: TDS784C Signal Path Compensation Error
Steve,
Some time ago I got hold of a 520 digital scope. To my surprise it passed all self tests and looked clean and pristine inside, so I decided to sell it as working OK, with a lot of pics including of the selftest. The buyer got the item, said its OK but didn't pass selftest and asked for a partial refund. I knew the unit was very well packed, so I became suspicious. I refused and the seller did not really argue about. As I did not offer to take back in first place, and didn't use paypal or anything similar, Ebay could not interfere. They're trying to change things in Germany these days, so they will be always in the loop. If this suceeds I might not offer anything else than local pickup in future. cheers Martin |
Re: 3T77 tunnel diodes (again)
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I can easily imitate the "staircase" effect, see the picture Real-time.jpg which I added to your album /g/TekScopes/album?id=261250 . Very likely your loop gain is far below unity, I estimate it will be about 0.1 . You can vary the loop gain with the front panel DOT RESPONSE knob, but probably not far enough to correct it all the way. It's probably due to a very low sampling efficiency of the S-1 with the new "diodes". In real time mode the 3S2 samples at 10 us intervals. That's very fine compared with your sweep rate and the pulse top and bottom lengths. Hence you see the successive sampling results in sequence from left to right in the display. Because of the low dot response several samples are needed in order to "jump" from pulse top to pulse bottom and vice versa. Albert On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 04:34 AM, Charles wrote:
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Re: Looking for P6042 current probe transformer/hall-sensor replacement instructions
Is this anything like the procedure for the A6302 current probe? I've
got a couple of those here and seem to remember that there is an adjustment for the offset voltage of the hall effect sensor. In early models it was a variable resistor, but later it was changed to be a fixed resistor whose value was specified for the individual hall effect/current transformer assembly.So if that assembly was replaced, the resistor would probably need changing too. Some hall sensors needed a positive offset, some negative, so sometimes the resistor was connected with one end to the positive supply rail and sometimes to the negative. In either case, the existing variable resistor would need to be turned all the way to one end because it's no longer in use, and presumably the fixed resistor's value is determined based on the variable resistor being set this way. Chris On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 11:19 AM benj3867 via groups.io <benj3867@...> wrote:
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Re: TDS784C Signal Path Compensation Error
At 2021-03-01 12:16 AM, Martin via groups.io wrote:
be aware of buyers that take out or swap parts they need for a defect unit of their own.Thank you for the heads-up. Is there any way to guard against that? Steve Hendrix |
Re: 2465A CT Lessons and Leroy's Breadcrumbs
Brian, that latest link works for me ... but do you have the data in a more user-friendly form for possible use by others, eg plain text, Excel or CSV?? The PDF is entirely legible but would need a lot of massaging to get it into a form digestible by EPROM programmers and PDF is not an ideal starting point - whereas data text or Excel is much easier to massage.? While I hope I never need it, could you possibly post again in one or more of those other formats?
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Secondly, in your first post in this thread you said in Lesson 3 " ....there is a simple way to back up the configuration data ... " but you didn't actually say which method you used.? Is this the method where you step thru' the calibration data on the 'scope screen and take pictures or a video, or is there a better/simpler way?? I have a plain vanilla 2465, no GPIB. Thanks in anticipation (from Down Under) Graham On 1/03/2021 3:28 pm, Brian Nordlund wrote:
I'll try the file one more time: /g/TekScopes/files/Tek2465A_CT_RAM_022521.pdf |
Re: Looking for P6042 current probe transformer/hall-sensor replacement instructions
@zenith5106 Thanks a lot!
Unfortunately, I do not see the information on how to calibrate R12 :-( It looks like every manual promises the information will be in another manual. It is highly frustrating. The P6042 service manual says "...adjustment procedure for R12 supplied with T1. Order Tektronix Part No. 050-0439-00" The 050-0439-01 instructions you so kindly provided say: "If R11 was installed...adjust R12... to the CLOCKWISE extreme" and "If R13 was installed...adjust R12... to the COUNTERCLOCKWISE extreme", followed by "Refer to Manual Insert for recalibration" And the manual insert (that you also kindly provided) totally ignores the issue :-( :-( I can hardly believe that fully clockwise or fully counterclockwise is the final position of the adjustment. If that was the case why use a variable resistor? |
Re: Sampling with 7S14
The noise level displayed on sampling systems is sensitive to the setting of the loop gain for the DC balance amplifier (R231 and R232 on the 7S14). If you change the sampling diode bias voltage then you should set the loop gain accordingly, but this is all part of the calibration anyway and is well described in the manual. Basically you look at a fast edge at a relatively low sweep speed and adjust for no undershoot or overshoot, the noise increases rapidly once you get into the overshoot region.
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