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Re: Old Tektronix Books

 

I wish all scans were that legible!

You might like to consider additional destinations, e.g. ftp'ing directly as specified in

KO4BB:

or

BAMA:
Contact Information:
??? <email address obscured in a GIF>
Submitting a Manual

If you have a better copy of any of these manuals or a manual which is not
listed, and wish to share, you can upload the manual to
ftp://bama.edebris.com/uploads/ . Or, you can email me directly with the
manual. I accept all formats.

On 29/08/19 16:28, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:

Sorry to respond to an old thread, but I do have a pdf of "Typical Oscilloscope Circuitry" you can download here:



I've tried writing to a couple people on the wiki to get it uploaded but haven't received a response from anyone.


Re: Tek 475.

 

Chuck,
My money is on your suggestion.? I am sorry that I misread the OP message.? I found that on my 475A schematic and it is EXACTLY as you stated, a filter on that +15V supply.? Shorted Cap is almost certainly the issue.?

I appreciate all the wisdom that you bring to the table.? I just wish I would read more carefully!
Sincerely,?

Michael Lynch?479-226-0126 Home Phone479-477-1115 Cell Phonemlynch001@[email protected]@...

On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 10:36:14 AM CDT, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

All of this will be spelled out on the power distribution
schematic for the A9 board... it's somewhere in the manual.

In the meantime, take out the 10 ohm 1/4W resistor (AKA: fuse)
and replace it with a new one, and take out the 10uf Tantalum
cap and replace it with a new one of higher voltage.

You can use an aluminum electrolytic of at least 2x the capacitance,
if you want, but the scope's low temperature operation will be
compromised... it is not at all certain that you care.

I bet the scope works if you do that.

-Chuck Harris

James R. Bartlett wrote:
Hi Michael,
Thanks for the reply.
My query was not about R956 but the one to the left of it and is situated
in the middle
? between VR956 and R956, on my PCB component layout most components are
identified
but not this resistorThat is the one that measures 10 ohms.Seems to go back
to C1448 a 10uf Tant
Measuring across C1448 I also get 10? ohms.So need to find out where it
goes and its component number.
I am a patient man and wil keep trying.
Thanks again
Regards
Jim


Re: Tek 475.

 

Jim,
I guess I need to go back to reading comprehension school!? I see that now.? FYI, I have a 475A manual and in that model schematic, that resistor as R963, Indeed it is a 10Ohm 1/4W 1/2% Carbon Comp resistor.? As Chuck stated EXACTLY, this appears to be a Filter in conjunction with C963 on +15V (DCPL2).? At least this is what the 475A schematic indicates. I did not find this in the 475 schematic.? I will sit down quietly at the back of the class, speak when spoken to and try to learn from the teachers!?

? Sincerely,

Michael Lynch?479-226-0126 Home Phone479-477-1115 Cell Phonemlynch001@[email protected]@...

On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 10:22:59 AM CDT, James R. Bartlett <james.r.bart@...> wrote:

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the reply.
My query was not about R956 but the one to the left of it and is situated
in the middle
between VR956 and R956, on my PCB component layout most components are
identified
but not this resistorThat is the one that measures 10 ohms.Seems to go back
to C1448 a 10uf Tant
Measuring across C1448 I also get 10? ohms.So need to find out where it
goes and its component number.
I am a patient man and wil keep trying.
Thanks again
Regards
Jim


On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 15:40, Michael W. Lynch via Groups.Io <mlynch003=
[email protected]> wrote:

Jim,
Gotta Love that magic smoke!? I don't think that is a filter resistor as
described in Chuck's last reply, as I do not see a Tantalum cap adjacent to
the resistor in that part of the circuit.? R956 is the current limiting
resistor for the base of Q956 which appears to be part of the sweep
generator circuitry.? In the schematic, R956 is specified as a 10K, 1/4W
5%? resistor, NOT 10 ohms, so if you are seeing only 10 ohms, that is a
problem.? What I would also suggest is to check Q956, plus CR952,CR955,
CR956 and VR956 and verify that these components are all good.? Chuck's
advice about Tantalum Caps is spot on and you should check the entire
machine for blown or otherwise defective caps.? My brother calls them
"devil caps", they are prone to failure at any moment.

Michael Lynch 479-226-0126 Home Phone479-477-1115 Cell
Phonemlynch001@[email protected]@...


? ? On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 6:55:39 AM CDT, James R. Bartlett <
james.r.bart@...> wrote:

? Hello to the group.
I find that I am in need of your assistance. Firsty repairing scopes is not
my forte but I
want to do and learn.
I have a Tek 475, which was working.
However I went to use it the other day and
got the magic smoke. Problem seems to be related to the +15 supply/
Scope switches on,
The smoke came fro a resistor on the A9 board.
However it does not appear to be numbered on the PCB layout as shown on the
downloaded
service manual.
It is located to the left and between VR956 and R956 it meters out at 10
ohms
Is this the correct value ? and what is its circuit number ?
I checked C1448 and that meters out also at 10 ohms.
+ 15 volt supply is 0 Volt
Any thoughts suggestions appreciated .
Many thanks
Jim







Re: 502A - Anyone looking to part with one?

 

Hi Jamie,

Thanks for the heads-up! I just messaged him.

Best regards,

Jason


Re: Tek 475.

Chuck Harris
 

All of this will be spelled out on the power distribution
schematic for the A9 board... it's somewhere in the manual.

In the meantime, take out the 10 ohm 1/4W resistor (AKA: fuse)
and replace it with a new one, and take out the 10uf Tantalum
cap and replace it with a new one of higher voltage.

You can use an aluminum electrolytic of at least 2x the capacitance,
if you want, but the scope's low temperature operation will be
compromised... it is not at all certain that you care.

I bet the scope works if you do that.

-Chuck Harris

James R. Bartlett wrote:

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the reply.
My query was not about R956 but the one to the left of it and is situated
in the middle
between VR956 and R956, on my PCB component layout most components are
identified
but not this resistorThat is the one that measures 10 ohms.Seems to go back
to C1448 a 10uf Tant
Measuring across C1448 I also get 10 ohms.So need to find out where it
goes and its component number.
I am a patient man and wil keep trying.
Thanks again
Regards
Jim


Re: Old Tektronix Books

 

Sorry to respond to an old thread, but I do have a pdf of "Typical Oscilloscope Circuitry" you can download here:



I've tried writing to a couple people on the wiki to get it uploaded but haven't received a response from anyone.

Jamie


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting Tektronix PS280

Chuck Harris
 

Dave,

I apologize for trying to help. I like to be abused, it's why
I am here.

This has been going on for too long, you seemed to be thrashing
about getting nowhere, so I thought I could help you. My mistake.

When you replaced all of the capacitors (really bad idea), did you
put the two series 4.7uf 50V caps back in the right way?

The schematic shows them as series aiding, which is wrong. They
should be in series bucking (C1141 and C1142). Their purpose is
to cheaply simulate a NP cap...

I already explained why these supplies go bad, but to recap: They are
built from garbage. The design is fair, but the execution is really,
really, bad.

That there are, to quote you, "tons of bad ones on ebay" should be
giving you a clue... think hard, it will come through...

If you fix the deficiencies, the design can be reliable, but you have
a host of problems to go after... ranging from using weak lead free
solder on a board whose holes were sized for the much stronger 63/37
tin/lead solder, to using unsupported solid wire, to capacitors and
resistors that are only just marginally so.

Nobody can make a killing fixing GW supplies... the only profit to be
had is in selling bad ones that you got for scrap prices. Buying new
is less costly than the labor to fix a used supply.

The only GW supplies that I will repair are those that I get for free,
and those that I fix for free for my friends. In spite of it all, you
qualify for that service. Nobody wants them repaired if it costs money.

I use one or two of the fixed freebies that I kept for the glorious task
of charging batteries. The others I gave away... you can't sell them,
and you sure can't keep them all.

Unlike HP/Harrison supplies, the GW supplies survive battery charging
without adding a series diode.

-Chuck Harris

daven9ooq via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Chuck , I guess you came in on the middle of this , I suggest you read my old posts before you comment, one of my early post is the very first thing I did was recap the two variable supplies they are nearly identical, the slave side has an extra trimmer, no the relays are not motorboating it is dependent on where the voltage pot is , please do not jump to conclusions, I know you better than this!
The fixed 5 volt was ok so did not recap it. The 5 volt regulator uses A LM 723as a reference, a little different than the 2 variable sides , Yes it would be nice if one side was working , but no they were both out from the beginning.
Another thing to consider is if this supply is so simple as you say why are there tons of bad ones on ebay, a guy like you could clean up and make a fortune fixing them and putting them back in service?
That is why I asked the group , how Reliable they were. Larry has 2 working same revision as mine and said they were pretty reliable, I'll accept this answer , until I know better. Actually the 470uf electrolytics ESR wasn't that bad , but since I'm working one handed and themain board was so difficult to get out, I changed them all, using New Nichicon , that was nearly a month ago, and the first thing I did!
I found the esr on the smaller electrolytics to be worse than the larger value ones, the 4- 4.7 uf 50 volt were the worst @ 1ohm and the 47uf were bad too. The rest seemed to be acceptable but were changed for reliability sake.
At this point I'm up to the references on both sides including the 7815's everything is is good on the +and - 15volts aU 101,Q101,and Q102,from here on is where Ineed help understanding whats going on.
John was kind enough to help, when You, Chuck chimed in again, So I am waiting on John to reply back and see if he is willing to walk me through the rest of the way, I am also studying the Theroy of Operation in the manual on Tekwiki even though it's a different revision, I believe all revision's share the same circuitry ,the only difference is the number of circuit boards, earlier ones had a seperate fuse board and all the jumpers and connectors are labeled differently and the looks and heatsink.
If John is willing to accept my terms of working at my own pace and time, We can proceed when I am able to in about a week or so, Chuck please Let John lead the Thread and if you have something to add, than go from there.
I have to pick up my stepson tonight , and we have plans until after the labor day weekend my wife Esther is off all next week so I probably won't be able to do much until after that John if your willing you can talk me through the rest of the way now, if not maybe Chuck can take over if he is willing and I will try to study up on the Theroy and will report back , when able.
Many Thanks guys!
Dave




Re: Tek 475.

 

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the reply.
My query was not about R956 but the one to the left of it and is situated
in the middle
between VR956 and R956, on my PCB component layout most components are
identified
but not this resistorThat is the one that measures 10 ohms.Seems to go back
to C1448 a 10uf Tant
Measuring across C1448 I also get 10 ohms.So need to find out where it
goes and its component number.
I am a patient man and wil keep trying.
Thanks again
Regards
Jim


On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 15:40, Michael W. Lynch via Groups.Io <mlynch003=
[email protected]> wrote:

Jim,
Gotta Love that magic smoke! I don't think that is a filter resistor as
described in Chuck's last reply, as I do not see a Tantalum cap adjacent to
the resistor in that part of the circuit. R956 is the current limiting
resistor for the base of Q956 which appears to be part of the sweep
generator circuitry. In the schematic, R956 is specified as a 10K, 1/4W
5% resistor, NOT 10 ohms, so if you are seeing only 10 ohms, that is a
problem. What I would also suggest is to check Q956, plus CR952,CR955,
CR956 and VR956 and verify that these components are all good. Chuck's
advice about Tantalum Caps is spot on and you should check the entire
machine for blown or otherwise defective caps. My brother calls them
"devil caps", they are prone to failure at any moment.

Michael Lynch 479-226-0126 Home Phone479-477-1115 Cell
Phonemlynch001@[email protected]@...


On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 6:55:39 AM CDT, James R. Bartlett <
james.r.bart@...> wrote:

Hello to the group.
I find that I am in need of your assistance. Firsty repairing scopes is not
my forte but I
want to do and learn.
I have a Tek 475, which was working.
However I went to use it the other day and
got the magic smoke. Problem seems to be related to the +15 supply/
Scope switches on,
The smoke came fro a resistor on the A9 board.
However it does not appear to be numbered on the PCB layout as shown on the
downloaded
service manual.
It is located to the left and between VR956 and R956 it meters out at 10
ohms
Is this the correct value ? and what is its circuit number ?
I checked C1448 and that meters out also at 10 ohms.
+ 15 volt supply is 0 Volt
Any thoughts suggestions appreciated .
Many thanks
Jim







Re: 502A - Anyone looking to part with one?

 

There is a 502 for sale in Wisconsin right now:


old 7633, 7613 CRT salvage

John Griessen
 

Is the gold on the inside of the ceramic envelope thick enough to bother sending to a gold refiner?
Seems similar to extracting platinum from catalytic converters, so I wonder?
They were from the per 1972 times when gold was laid on the pcbs thickly...

What is a good way to strip soldermask to expose the gold for acid to get at?
NaOH comes to mind but... I would not want to dissolve a bunch of lead/tin/copper, then put it on the ground...

I just want to send all that to the processor as "plated copper" + solder + FR4.


Re: Tek 475.

 

Jim,
Gotta Love that magic smoke!? I don't think that is a filter resistor as described in Chuck's last reply, as I do not see a Tantalum cap adjacent to the resistor in that part of the circuit.? R956 is the current limiting resistor for the base of Q956 which appears to be part of the sweep generator circuitry.? In the schematic, R956 is specified as a 10K, 1/4W 5%? resistor, NOT 10 ohms, so if you are seeing only 10 ohms, that is a problem.?? What I would also suggest is to check Q956, plus CR952,CR955, CR956 and VR956 and verify that these components are all good.? Chuck's advice about Tantalum Caps is spot on and you should check the entire machine for blown or otherwise defective caps.? My brother calls them "devil caps", they are prone to failure at any moment.?

Michael Lynch?479-226-0126 Home Phone479-477-1115 Cell Phonemlynch001@[email protected]@...

On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 6:55:39 AM CDT, James R. Bartlett <james.r.bart@...> wrote:

Hello to the group.
I find that I am in need of your assistance. Firsty repairing scopes is not
my forte but I
want to do and learn.
I have a Tek 475, which was working.
However I went to use it the other day and
got the magic smoke. Problem seems to be related to the +15 supply/
Scope switches on,
The smoke came fro a resistor on the A9 board.
However it does not appear to be numbered on the PCB layout as shown on the
downloaded
service manual.
It is located to the left and between VR956 and R956 it meters out at 10
ohms
Is this the correct value ? and what is its circuit number ?
I checked C1448 and that meters out also at 10 ohms.
+ 15 volt supply is 0 Volt
Any thoughts suggestions appreciated .
Many thanks
Jim


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting Tektronix PS280

daven9ooq
 

Hi Chuck , I guess you came in on the middle of this , I suggest you read my old posts before you comment, one of my early post is the very first thing I did was recap the two variable supplies they are nearly identical, the slave side has an extra trimmer, no the relays are not motorboating it is dependent on where the voltage pot is , please do not jump to conclusions, I know you better than this!?
The fixed 5 volt was ok so did not recap it.? The 5 volt regulator uses A LM 723as a reference,? a little different than the 2 variable sides , Yes it would be nice if one side was working , but no they were both out from the beginning.
Another thing to consider is if this supply is so simple as you say why are there tons of bad ones on ebay, a guy like you could clean up and make a fortune fixing them and putting them back in service?
That is why I asked the group , how Reliable they were.? Larry has 2 working same revision as mine and said they were pretty reliable, I'll accept this answer , until I know better.??Actually the 470uf electrolytics ESR wasn't that bad , but since I'm working one handed and themain board was so difficult to get out, I changed them all, using New Nichicon? , that was nearly a month ago, and the first thing I did!
I found the esr on the smaller electrolytics? to be worse than the larger value ones, the 4- 4.7 uf 50 volt were the worst @ 1ohm and the 47uf were bad too. The rest seemed to be acceptable but were changed? for reliability sake.
At this point I'm up to the? references on both sides including the 7815's everything is is good on the +and - 15volts aU 101,Q101,and Q102,from here on is where Ineed help understanding whats going on.
John was kind enough to help, when You, Chuck chimed in again, So I am waiting on John to reply back and see if he is willing to walk me through the rest of the way, I am also studying the Theroy of Operation in the manual on Tekwiki even though it's a different revision, I believe all revision's share the same circuitry ,the only difference is the number of circuit boards, earlier ones had a seperate fuse board and all the jumpers and connectors are labeled differently and the looks and heatsink.
If John is willing to accept my terms of working at my own pace and time, We can proceed when I am able to in about a week or so,?Chuck please Let John lead the Thread and if you have something to add, than go from there.
I have to pick up my stepson tonight , and we have plans until after the labor day weekend? my wife Esther is off all next week so I probably won't be able to do much? until after that John if your willing you can talk me through the rest of the way now, if not maybe Chuck can take over if he is willing and I will try to study up on? the Theroy and will report back , when able.
Many Thanks guys!
Dave


Re: Tek 475.

Chuck Harris
 

Not looking at the schematic, but tek scopes of that era
are littered with filters for the power entering the boards,
that are made from 10 ohm resistors with a tantalum capacitor
to ground.

Use your eyes and look for the capacitor, or remains of the
capacitor, that is near the resistor. It will usually be of
the tantalum drop variety, with color bands.

Sometimes, they blow up, leaving just two leads sticking out
of the board where the capacitor used to be.

Other times, you will see what looks like a three leaded
capacitor..

And still other times, the capacitor will look normal, but
be a dead (0 ohms) short.

When you replace it, pick a tantalum value that is at least
twice the operating voltage of the power it is filtering.

If it is on the 15V supply, use a 30V tantalum capacitor.

-Chuck Harris

James R. Bartlett wrote:

Hello to the group.
I find that I am in need of your assistance. Firsty repairing scopes is not
my forte but I
want to do and learn.
I have a Tek 475, which was working.
However I went to use it the other day and
got the magic smoke. Problem seems to be related to the +15 supply/
Scope switches on,
The smoke came fro a resistor on the A9 board.
However it does not appear to be numbered on the PCB layout as shown on the
downloaded
service manual.
It is located to the left and between VR956 and R956 it meters out at 10
ohms
Is this the correct value ? and what is its circuit number ?
I checked C1448 and that meters out also at 10 ohms.
+ 15 volt supply is 0 Volt
Any thoughts suggestions appreciated .
Many thanks
Jim


Tek 475.

 

Hello to the group.
I find that I am in need of your assistance. Firsty repairing scopes is not
my forte but I
want to do and learn.
I have a Tek 475, which was working.
However I went to use it the other day and
got the magic smoke. Problem seems to be related to the +15 supply/
Scope switches on,
The smoke came fro a resistor on the A9 board.
However it does not appear to be numbered on the PCB layout as shown on the
downloaded
service manual.
It is located to the left and between VR956 and R956 it meters out at 10
ohms
Is this the correct value ? and what is its circuit number ?
I checked C1448 and that meters out also at 10 ohms.
+ 15 volt supply is 0 Volt
Any thoughts suggestions appreciated .
Many thanks
Jim


Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Transformer winding

Chuck Harris
 

I'm not particularly worried about the water picking up
anything too bad... a few parts per million lead, maybe some
PFOA's. I only mentioned it because businesses that don't
worry can be fined heavily by their local EPA.

I am more concerned about ease of use. The water makes the
whole process more likely to cause burns. Hot air in an oven
gets you to the same place with no more risk of burns than
handling a tin of hot muffins with an oven mit.

As I've said earlier, I have done this hundreds of times. IMHO,
hot air in a 130C (266F) oven for 1/2 hour works best...

-Chuck Harris

Andre de guerin via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi, yes have also used the hot water method.
Incidentally its best to test this on a failed transformer of the same time first to get the technique right.I also have used a very small amount IPA to release stubborn windings, this shouldn't damage them butif you use anything else be aware that winding damage is likely.If you're worried about the risks simply do what I did and use the water to make Plaster of Paris.

-Andre
#include "802701.h"


Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Transformer winding

 

Hi, yes have also used the hot water method.
Incidentally its best to test this on a failed transformer of the same time first to get the technique right.I also have used a very small amount IPA to release stubborn windings, this shouldn't damage them butif you use anything else be aware that winding damage is likely.If you're worried about the risks simply do what I did and use the water to make Plaster of Paris.

-Andre
#include "802701.h"

On Wednesday, 28 August 2019, 18:12:23 BST, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

The only reasons I use an oven over the water
technique (aka teacup method) for a couple of
simple reasons:

1) it seems less likely to burn me.? Water soaks
? through my leather gloves, and it gets hot quickly.

2) Businesses have strict rules about what they can
? dump down the sink.? Since they would have to prove
? that the water carried nothing dangerous, I prefer
? to avoid the issue... and use air.

-Chuck Harris

Miguel Work wrote:
Thanks Chuck!

I put transformers in boiling water some minutes, with the same results

Regards

Miguel


Re: Thoughts on TDS744A

 

I have a couple of 744As that I converted to 784As by removing the bypass caps across the vertical amp outputs and moving the zero-ohm jumpers according to the instructions widely available on the web. NB there's some bad info out there regarding the jumpers--do it wrong and you'll have the 1-GS/s "export model" instead of the 4-GS/s US model. Fortunately nothing breaks if you do it wrong--you just have to switch jumpers again.

Those 784As are my general purpose bench scopes, and have been for 6-7 years. Highly recommended, especially at $350.

From a UI point of view, the main issue with the TDS 7xx series vs. the TDS 6xx is that the knob response is sluggish at slow scan speeds. It feels as though the knob inputs are only applied when the current acquisition is completed, whereas the 6xx scopes register it right away. My TDS 694C definitely has better knob response.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Re: Upending a 7704, for the long run

 

Good idea. Also put some strong cover over the display to protect it from dropped objects!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


Re: TDS 694C CRT screech

 

I installed one of the NewScope kits on a TDS 784A, and it's very pretty. My 694C has a beautiful bright display still--it's a Frankenscope cobbled together from an early unit that was used internally at Tek for testing, plus a brand new display section and front panel, so it would be sort of nice to save it. If I don't get other good leads, I'll probably do as you suggest. (I have a second NewScope kit on the shelf waiting to be used on my other 784A, but a mildly dim display is a lot less objectionable than that screech, so I could probably repurpose it.)

Thanks

Phil Hobbs


Re: OT- question relating to DC shunt motor schematics

 

Send it to me off list, I will help you all I can. Bruce

On 8/28/19 11:28 PM, Dave Seiter wrote:
Hi Bruce, thanks for the input!
If I sent you a photo of the schematic off list, could you make an educated guess (or perhaps see something I've missed?). I've read schematics since my Radio Shack 101 kit, but power control, especially 3PH, is all new to me. Vintage makes it even more interesting.
Regards,
-Dave
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