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Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
Chuck Harris
Hi Michael,
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Two things to help further your education: 1) there are almost always multiple devices in parallel, or series with every device you may wish to test in circuit. 2) Sooner or later you have to test the courage of your convictions, by removing the suspected bad part and testing it out of circuit. That is the only sure way of not being fooled by the other parts that share its nodes. I find it more likely that you didn't notice that the optocouplers are usually faced in opposite directions... some sending signals to the high side, and others sending signals to the low side. I still put an optocoupler failure in a switching supply at less than 1% probability. -Chuck Harris Mlynch001 wrote: Chuck, |
Re: 2440 cal errors
Bob Albert
Am I still on the list for one of those 'scopes?
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Bob818 894-2887 On Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:46:17 AM PDT, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io <go_boating_fast@...> wrote:
Well I guess you get what you pay for. At $50 for a 2440 should have been a clue. So far the first 2440 I turned on has cal errors 4000 FPP? fail 7000 CCD fail 8000 PA? ? fail all others passed Maybe I should go through an external calibrate first? Bob |
Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
Chuck,
Sorry, I was not at all clear, I should not have used the term "continuity" as I am using the Diode Test function on my DMM. To be precise: IC7 is open (infinity) in one direction (Red on Pin 2 and Black on Pin 1) and the meter reads 1.305 (volts) in the other direction (leads reversed from previous). IC2 reads .512 (volts) in BOTH directions. One thing that I have learned is that when two supposedly identical devices test so differently, using the same test instruments, there is a good chance that one of the two is defective. I have also seen two posts on different web pages that have pointed to optocoupler failures on this particular power supply. Does this alter your assessment of the situation? I am always suspect of my knowledge and abilities, NOT questioning anything that you are trying to convey to me. I appreciate your response and your patience. Sincerely -- Michael Lynch Dardanelle, AR |
Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
Chuck Harris
Continuity means very little. You need to observe
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the voltage when you insert some current. To make this possible, most DVM's have a Diode test position on one of the low ohms positions, or as a separate position. An LED should drop 1.5-2.2V when forward biased. A common diode will drop 0.5V... though some varieties a little more, or a little less. It is really a bad thing to back bias an LED so many applications put a diode across the LED to limit the back bias that can be applied to the LED. I would put the odds that the Opto isolators are bad at under 1%. They are very reliable, and pretty hard to kill. -Chuck Harris Mlynch001 wrote: All: |
Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
All:
I have been studying this power supply all morning and doing some unpowered testing of various components in circuit. I have two optocouplers in this circuit. They are type CNY17-2 and I found the datasheet on the parts (very simple design), no confusion for me as to how they work or their purpose in circuit. These are arranged across the "border" (for lack of a better term) between Low and High voltage sections. Pins 1-3 are on the "LOW" side, (Pin3 not connected internally) and 4-6 on the "HIGH" side on both IC2 and IC7. Checking IC7 (in circuit) with the DMM, I get continuity in one direction between 1 and 2 and infinity or "open" in the other. When checking IC2 (same component as IC7), I get continuity between pins 1 and 2 in BOTH directions. It seems to me that this indicates that the LED in the !C2 device is faulty? If so, this should prevent the power supply from working. Am I on to something here? Or am I misdiagnosing the components? This may seem a silly and very simple question, bear with me as I think this thing through. My experience tells me I am correct, but confirmation from a more experienced person or person would be very helpful. If I am wrong, what might I be missing? Thank you in advance for advice. -- Michael Lynch Dardanelle, AR |
Re: Fan Mounts for Brown Case 545
If these are the same as the three double-ended mounts used on later production, I bought a batch from McMaster years ago. I'll give you four for a token amount to cover shipping. I'm in Hillsboro, Oregon. Calculate it and get back to me off-list.
Dave Wise ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Duda <KB2UFS@...> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 4:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TekScopes] Fan Mounts for Brown Case 545 The four rubber vibration damping fan mounts on my circa 1956 brown case 545 have disintegrated. Any suggestions on where I might find suitable replacements? |
Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
Ravi,
I will continue to study this circuit and the materials that you have suggested. Is it your opinion that UC3844A is the oscillator? The Data sheet for the device seems to indicate that it is. The supply that Mr. Carlson studies uses an 14 or 16 DIP IC containing the oscillator, therefore I assumed that the aforementioned component was similar in function. I am in no hurry and I appreciate your feedback. -- Michael Lynch Dardanelle, AR |
Re: P6249 Oscillation
Perhaps the input circuitry has been blown out by excessive voltage which
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is a good hint for what is wrong. I wish I had a schematic of what is in the unit before I cut into it. I also wish I were not so stubborn about fixing it as it really is not worth the time and effort. Since the probe has a 4 GHz bandwidth (still) even though it oscillates, I am not sure how to proceed. Thank you for the suggestion. On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:26 AM G?ran Krusell <mc1648pp@...> wrote:
Hi, there is a peculiar property with emitter followers and FET source |
Re: 2467B focus/astigmatism anomaly...
Chuck Harris
An interesting change has occurred from yesterday...
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Yesterday, I removed C4403, turned the scope on, adjusted the focus and astigmatism, played a little bit, and concluded the dynamic focus circuitry did very little, if anything... I then turned the scope's beam off, and walked away for a few hours. When I returned, and turned the scope's beam back on, I found the focus was bad once again. So, after tweaking the astigmatism to sharpen the beam up, I turned the scope off for the night. This morning, when I turned the scope back on, and turned its intensity back up, it was still sharp... when totally cold! Sharp when hot, and still sharp when cold.... Exciting! I turned the beam back off, and walked away for an hour, and when I came back and turned the beam back on, it was still sharp. Then I turned the beam back off, and walked away for another hour, and turned the beam back on, and it was still sharp. I am going to let it percolate for 2 or 3 hours and try again, and I will report back. Perhaps C4403 is involved? I'm having a little trouble explaining last night's focus shift shortly after I removed the capacitor. -Chuck Harris Raymond Domp Frank wrote: Hi Chuck, |
Re: Fan Mounts for Brown Case 545
tom jobe
McMaster-Carr has them, as do others
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On 8/19/2019 4:25 AM, Mike Duda wrote:
The four rubber vibration damping fan mounts on my circa 1956 brown case 545 have disintegrated. Any suggestions on where I might find suitable replacements? |
Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
Hi Michael,
I will check the standard circuit for and around UC3844A and provide my thoughts. The photo of your A5 board will also help in understanding component placement on the board that you have. Currently, I am away from my home and hence, may not be able to share/send detail replies. Kindly excuse me for couple of days. Warm Regards, |
Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
On 8/18/2019 10:46 PM, Mlynch001 wrote:
Ravi,The first thing I did when reading this is google (or duck duck go) the UC3844A, which is a PWM controller.? I didn't go any further, but it does have application notes.? TI makes it.? If the power supply designers didn't stray too far from the application circuit, that will be a help.??? It looks as if it is intended to be the controller in a power supply, and seems to want between 16 and 28 volts (max) as a power input. That might help as a start. Harvey Therefore, I assume that it is near to this component that I should find that ZENER Diode, Power Resistor and the Capacitor that Chuck is alluding to in his Million dollar hint? The problem is, I do not immediately see a direct connection to the Main filter caps to these various outlying components. To Chuck's hint, I do see a 47uF 25V electrolytic cap that is in one of the traces from IC2 (opto-isolator) back and finally making it's way to pin7 of UC3844A. There is also an SCR in the line to pin#5 of the second opto-isolator. My current problem is that If UC3844A is NOT the oscillator, then I need to figure out what components comprise that oscillator and work backwards from there. |
Re: TDS460A Will not turn on?
Ravi,
I have became a student of Mr. Carlson's about two years ago, I have watched that particular video on SMPS several times. It all makes sense to me at that level. The board level is where I get lost. The traces and components are so tightly packed that it is difficult (for Me) to determine which part is the one that I need to identify. What Paul describes with a few hand drawn components becomes a quagmire of many times more components. Picking the correct two or three out of a couple of hundred is daunting, to say the least. The TDS460A uses a totally different power supply from the 460. The one that is shown in that video is an older model, common to the 420 and 460 models, but not the "A" models. I realize that in principle, these work the same. However, they appear to take a completely different approach in construction. Mr. Carlson actually did a video where he repaired that exact SMPS. I watched that video several times as well. On this board, I see a 8DIP UC3844A, which I assume is the oscillator which starts the whole circuit? Therefore, I assume that it is near to this component that I should find that ZENER Diode, Power Resistor and the Capacitor that Chuck is alluding to in his Million dollar hint? The problem is, I do not immediately see a direct connection to the Main filter caps to these various outlying components. To Chuck's hint, I do see a 47uF 25V electrolytic cap that is in one of the traces from IC2 (opto-isolator) back and finally making it's way to pin7 of UC3844A. There is also an SCR in the line to pin#5 of the second opto-isolator. My current problem is that If UC3844A is NOT the oscillator, then I need to figure out what components comprise that oscillator and work backwards from there. I greatly appreciate your guidance and great patience. I will stay after this until I figure it out. -- Michael Lynch Dardanelle, AR |
Re: 2467B focus/astigmatism anomaly...
Hi Chuck,
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 01:58 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Thanks for checking that, so it's off my mind. I agree re. Q4432, Q4440, and all of those high resistance resistors in the focus chain. Interesting and intriguing! Raymond |
Re: 7000 series carrying handles - how strong are they?
I once carried a 7704A a little over a mile. I don't recommend it but
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I would like to point out that my ability to carry it gave out, while the handle is still in working order. On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:39 AM Nenad Filipovic <ilmuerte@...> wrote:
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