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Re: Is an early 7A26 a keeper?

 

I should have some parts, what might you need?? (and I am in Florida)

Harvey

On 8/10/2019 6:21 PM, greenboxmaven via Groups.Io wrote:
If anyone has a physically intact 7A26 of unknown or bad operational status they are willing to part with, please let me know.? I need some knobs and mechanical parts.? Thanks,? Bruce KA2IVY


On 8/10/19 5:17 PM, Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:
Hi John,
With that serial number it sounds like it was a much later one. It is even
possible it is among the last production run. If you look at the date codes
on the ICs you may be able to tell what year it was made. I suspect you will
find it was made in 1988 or 1989 just before Tek terminated the product
line.

An early serial number would be one like this - B010100 - which is what Tek
usually used as the first serial number for a production instrument.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John
Griessen
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 5:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] Is an early 7A26 a keeper?

I was getting some extra 7A26's ready to sell, and came across 7A26 B154366,
which is an early one with the familiar aluminum isothermal clamp blocks for
transistors in cans.

Is that just as good as a late model if it has mostly metal film resistors?
Is it worth keeping for repairability?

I see little failure in 7A26's... tear drop tantalums, scratchy knobs, stiff
knobs, and dust under the attenuator contacts.

Keep or sell/toss?

P.S.

I've got an attic that needs to be cleaned out in preparation for moving to
Albuquerque, and a server that can show you pictures of it's box contents.
Email me if interested in browsing that web server.







Re: Is an early 7A26 a keeper?

 

If anyone has a physically intact 7A26 of unknown or bad operational status they are willing to part with, please let me know. I need some knobs and mechanical parts. Thanks, Bruce KA2IVY

On 8/10/19 5:17 PM, Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:
Hi John,
With that serial number it sounds like it was a much later one. It is even
possible it is among the last production run. If you look at the date codes
on the ICs you may be able to tell what year it was made. I suspect you will
find it was made in 1988 or 1989 just before Tek terminated the product
line.

An early serial number would be one like this - B010100 - which is what Tek
usually used as the first serial number for a production instrument.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John
Griessen
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 5:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] Is an early 7A26 a keeper?

I was getting some extra 7A26's ready to sell, and came across 7A26 B154366,
which is an early one with the familiar aluminum isothermal clamp blocks for
transistors in cans.

Is that just as good as a late model if it has mostly metal film resistors?
Is it worth keeping for repairability?

I see little failure in 7A26's... tear drop tantalums, scratchy knobs, stiff
knobs, and dust under the attenuator contacts.

Keep or sell/toss?

P.S.

I've got an attic that needs to be cleaned out in preparation for moving to
Albuquerque, and a server that can show you pictures of it's box contents.
Email me if interested in browsing that web server.




Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

Chuck Harris
 

The tape certainly won't cause any harm, but there were
tens of thousands, and still are hundreds of these scopes that
never suffered this failure on their own.

My guess is someone got aggressive with the wire, and tugged
it hard, which caused the resistor to rotate into the chassis.

Good job in finding the problem.

-Chuck Harris

[email protected] wrote:

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 11:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:


I would think that a better way would be to properly align
the resistor so that it is away from the chassis. It got
bumped.

-Chuck Harris
I did. The electrical tape is just to stop it from happening again if it loosens.

Sean




Re: Is an early 7A26 a keeper?

 

Hi John,
With that serial number it sounds like it was a much later one. It is even
possible it is among the last production run. If you look at the date codes
on the ICs you may be able to tell what year it was made. I suspect you will
find it was made in 1988 or 1989 just before Tek terminated the product
line.

An early serial number would be one like this - B010100 - which is what Tek
usually used as the first serial number for a production instrument.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John
Griessen
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 5:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] Is an early 7A26 a keeper?

I was getting some extra 7A26's ready to sell, and came across 7A26 B154366,
which is an early one with the familiar aluminum isothermal clamp blocks for
transistors in cans.

Is that just as good as a late model if it has mostly metal film resistors?
Is it worth keeping for repairability?

I see little failure in 7A26's... tear drop tantalums, scratchy knobs, stiff
knobs, and dust under the attenuator contacts.

Keep or sell/toss?

P.S.

I've got an attic that needs to be cleaned out in preparation for moving to
Albuquerque, and a server that can show you pictures of it's box contents.
Email me if interested in browsing that web server.




--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

 

Hi Sean,

My question should sound obvious, but... Did you try to power on the 7104
without the plugins?

I have that oscilloscope (now under repair, due to the "usual" issue at the
mains filter...) - as well as a 7904A and a 7854. In the 7904A I
experimented a PSU issue due to a bad 7A26 plugin: once removed, everything
turned to normality.

Tomorrow I could check the values of resistance on my 7104 and share them
with you.

Alberto, IZ2EWV

Il giorno venerd¨¬ 9 agosto 2019, <[email protected]> ha scritto:

Hi all,

Scored a very nice condition 7104 and plugins at auction for a great
price. Long story short it was working during the item viewing hours the
day before the auction. Got it home this morning and it's
clicking...anyway...

I believe the issue lies in either the +5V rail or the +/-15 V rails.
However, specifically, the manual says the typical resistance for the +5V
rail when everything is connected up is 0.005 Kohm. I'm measuring 3 ohms.
Is there any chance that is a typo and it should be 0.050 Kohm and not
0.005 Kohm? It's the former for 7904 mainframes.

Here's my readings:

With the mainframe circuits connected:

+50 is at 1.82 kohm
+15 is at 73 ohm
+5 is at 3 ohm
-15 is at 84 ohm
-50 is at 4.494 kohm

With the mainframe circuits disconnected:

+50 is 9.28 kohm
+15 is 154 ohm
+5 is 7.53 kohm
-15 is 8.55 kohm
-50 is 30.2 kohm

Thanks,

Sean





Re: Tektronix 577 Regular board capacitor question

 

Thanks for all the helpful replies!

I recently post a link,


These adapter boards accept through hole lead designed capacitors. A particular capacitor I was looking at on the regulator board of the 577 is a 1700uF 250V capacitor. I found a 1800uF capacitor but it has the snap on terminals which I don't think will fit on these adapter boards, would anyone know of a lead type capacitor around 1700uF 250V? Perhaps I could modify the terminals of the snap on capacitor so it could fit. Thanks


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

 

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 11:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:


I would think that a better way would be to properly align
the resistor so that it is away from the chassis. It got
bumped.

-Chuck Harris
I did. The electrical tape is just to stop it from happening again if it loosens.

Sean


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

Chuck Harris
 

I would think that a better way would be to properly align
the resistor so that it is away from the chassis. It got
bumped.

-Chuck Harris

[email protected] wrote:

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 09:19 AM, Gary Robert Bosworth wrote:


Please explain the solution. How does a fan interfere with the switching
power supply?
Hide quoted text ( #quoted-71154881 )

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:49 PM <[email protected]> wrote:


Happy ending: the problem was the fan wiring all along. I rearranged it
before I inserted the SMPS for the last time, and we have life.


The best way to explain it is probably a picture: /

Note that little tab? It was intermittently touching the chassis. This morning I made a neat sandwich of electrical tape to put underneath it and now the problem is solved.

Sean




Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

 

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 09:19 AM, Gary Robert Bosworth wrote:


Please explain the solution. How does a fan interfere with the switching
power supply?
Hide quoted text ( #quoted-71154881 )

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:49 PM <[email protected]> wrote:


Happy ending: the problem was the fan wiring all along. I rearranged it
before I inserted the SMPS for the last time, and we have life.


The best way to explain it is probably a picture: /

Note that little tab? It was intermittently touching the chassis. This morning I made a neat sandwich of electrical tape to put underneath it and now the problem is solved.

Sean


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

 

Please explain the solution. How does a fan interfere with the switching
power supply?

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:49 PM <[email protected]> wrote:

Happy ending: the problem was the fan wiring all along. I rearranged it
before I inserted the SMPS for the last time, and we have life.



--
Gary Robert Bosworth
grbosworth@...
Tel: 310-317-2247


Re: Tektronix 577 Regular board capacitor question

 

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 09:25 AM, Paul Amaranth wrote:


I haven't opened up a 577, but those are likely the typical Sprague capacitors
used by Tektronix in that era. They may still be good; I'd check them with a
good capacitor and esr meter before removing them.

If you need to replace them, the neatest repair is one I use in 4xx and 7K
scopes - use
a small carrier board to mate the footprint to a commonly available snapcap.
This
provides the jumpers that Tek used and the footprint for the new cap. Use
105C caps as replacements. You can find these on ebay and there are gerbers
floating
around if you want to send them to a board house yourself. You can also etch
them
yourself of course.

Some purists might restuff the cans with a new snapcap.

Paul
Paul,

I have become quite adept at re-stuffing cans with modern capacitors. I "restuffed" all the filter caps in my TYPE 576 power supply with modern caps. Having previously just replaced these large cans with modern caps, there is something about the "look" of those large cans that is satisfying, in a way that small and modern caps just cannot replicate. With me, it is not so much being a purist, just about scale, symmetry and general appearance that drives me to do this. I appreciate your insight and advice regarding this problem.


--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

Bob Albert
 

Cangratulations!? I like when stuff is easy.
Bob

On Friday, August 9, 2019, 09:49:01 PM PDT, <[email protected]> wrote:

Happy ending: the problem was the fan wiring all along. I rearranged it before I inserted the SMPS for the last time, and we have life.


LOOKING FOR TEK485 FUSEHOLDER;PLASTIC 352-0326-00

 

Hi :

I have a 485 working after repair , but there are missing parts of fuse-holder p/n :352-0326-00, plastic.

Anyone can help ? I am locate in Hong Kong.

Regard
Tony Cheung
Aug 10 2019


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

 

Happy ending: the problem was the fan wiring all along. I rearranged it before I inserted the SMPS for the last time, and we have life.


Re: Tektronix 577 Regular board capacitor question

 

This might work


Re: oh yeah?

 

I use to have half a dozen working tdr plugins with mix of pulse gens & samplers in imperial and metric.
Long gone on eBay, but do they count??
Kevin, KO3Y

Sent from kjo iPhone


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

 

It's the fan. If I pull on the power leads that go to the fa, the SMPS will start. Maybe something's rubbed up in there. Have to take a look.


Re: 7104 SMPS no start troubleshooting

 

So I had a considerable breakthrough. While I still don't know WHAT is shorting out, I have determined that there is no electrical problem as far as I can tell. It's mechanical. I "fixed" it with my tinkering...then it started clicking again when the SMPS module was reinstalled in the mainframe. Thinking something is pushing on something in there when the module is installed.


Re: oh yeah?

 

Yes, I have 7S11 and 7S12 plug-ins and two S-4 sampling heads, S-51 trigger countdown head, S-52 pulse generator head, and two S-53 trigger recognizer heads.? I'm sure others in the group have more extensive collections.Nice score with the S-42.? Several decades ago I had a CSA803 scope at work with at least one SD-24 sampling/TDR head.? I can't remember what we used for OE conversion, maybe just the fiber optic receivers themselves.? Kind of lost interest in F/O though.I find the 7S12 + 7S11 + S-4 combo very cumbersome to get to work properly.? Hard to even get a stable trace on the screen.? Maybe I'm doing something wrong?JimSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: "snapdiode via Groups.Io" <snapdiode@...> Date: 8/9/19 5:57 PM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] oh yeah? It's a sampling head, not really a plugin, but plugs into a plugin, I guess. I was in such a rush to gloat I used the wrong terminology. I am being punished, the thing is shipping Fedex, I didn't even check that. I will be destroyed by the customs charges.An expensive trinket to be sure. I have no fiber optics to plug into it.


Re: oh yeah?

 

It's a sampling head, not really a plugin, but plugs into a plugin, I guess. I was in such a rush to gloat I used the wrong terminology. I am being punished, the thing is shipping Fedex, I didn't even check that. I will be destroyed by the customs charges.
An expensive trinket to be sure. I have no fiber optics to plug into it.