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Re: Searching for post about Tektronix front panel fabrication/printing process
Hi Toby,
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You are in luck. There is an excellent video on how Tek did this on the vintageTEK Museum web site It is here: Dennis Tillman W7PF -----Original Message----- -- Dennis Tillman W7PF TekScopes Moderator |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
Don't know why I haven't thought about it and I have a harbor freight less
than 2 miles away from me. On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 7:11 PM Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@...> wrote: We used to pile three feet or more of heavy old HP equipment on each cart |
Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"
The remake reused many of the original scripts but it had much better props. The one they really should have remade was the original, 'Galaxy Being'. That so called radio station looked like something from what 'Sanford & Son' would have tossed out.
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The remake was 32 years after the first episode of the original series, so technology had changed a lot during that time. Michael A. Terrell -----Original Message-----
From: Harvey White <madyn@...> |
Re: [OT] Philips PP 1071 electronic switch unit
Thanks also to Leon Robinson, who also suggested (in a direct e-mail) to check-out the 2-channel switch model from Heathkit. (BTW Leon: your ISP, SBCglobal, is wrongly rejecting mails from my IP).
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Sebastian. Sebastian Garcia 5:39am #149580 Thank you, Michael. Actually I have only pieces of it (most pieces, I think), so an schematic would be ideal for making sense of them. Best regards, Sebastian. Michael A. Terrell 4:19am #149579 It appears to be two, 15MHz amplifiers to convert a single channel scope into a four channel display. In other words, it is a pair of the electronic switches that were common for early single channel scopes. They were also kit versions and construction projects. They used a twin Triode to create an adjustable square wave to drive the chopper, and each input had an amplifier with adjustments for both gain and position. Heathkit made the S1, S2 and S3, ID22, models, and at least the S3 schematic is on line because I have a copy of its schematic. There is a description of this item in a book about scopes: <> Here is the Heathkit S-3S schematic: <> You have an advantage in having two switches, in that you can compare them to locate problems. As always, make sure the DC rails in the power supply are clean. The filter caps are likely 50 years old, or more. Michael A. Terrell . . . -----Original Message-----
From: Sebastian Garcia <sg-listas@...> Sent: Jul 9, 2018 11:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TekScopes] [OT] Philips PP 1071 electronic switch unit Hi, Could somebody provide the schematics/manual of this equipment (or similar Philips model) [1] ? It is an (independent, including power supply) chopping unit, to turn any single trace scope into a into 2-trace one. Mainly tube-based, some silicon diodes, a couple of selenium rectifier bridges, some power transistors. Seems to be from ~1960/65. Any data would be greatly appreciated, Sebastian. [1] Philips PP 1071 electronic switch unit |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
We used to pile three feet or more of heavy old HP equipment on each cart at Microdyne. When something needed serviced or calibrated, the entire cart was rolled into the cal lab. We used the larger carts, and added a 3/4" plywood top, with strips of 1"x2" along the sides and back to keep it from moving. The strips fit snugly against the inside of the top shelf, and not only gave a flat work surface, but it gave extra strength. For very light loads, we simply flipped the top shelf upside down, and used it that way.
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We left a six inch gap at the front to store probes and cables. Most of these carts held over 300 pounds of equipment and most work stations had more than one cart. Mine was a little different. I also had a cart with a stereo microscope, and another with a computer to run software driven test fixtures. Due to the wide variety of items worked on I had four workbenches, instead of the usual one or two. Here is the Harbor freight version of the carts we used. The company refused to buy them, because they weren't made in the U.S. Michael A. Terrell -----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx@...> |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
My interest is a cart that can hold the heavier stuff and rack with like
the 11k Scopes. The next card I need will have to hold an HP synthesizer that weighs 70 lb and hopefully a spectrum analyzer on top of that that has a total weight of 95 lb The Tek cart that came with my 11403A I am going to try to put on top of it 11301 a. This old test equipment is darn heavy On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 5:55 PM Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@...> wrote: It's not that hard to bend up a larger top pan, with hand tools. Or add a |
Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:17:46 -0400, you wrote:
I've been watching some episodes of the outstanding US science-fiction TVAll in the technology of the times. Note that they did not imagine any kind of technology (interface wise) that was different from what they had, just that it did futuristic stuff. In that sense, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea had the standard Irwin Allen pseudo tape decks and fake computers. Outer Limits didn't really, as I remember it. Episodes might be helpful. There were knockoffs of the TEK stuff at earlier times. They might just have put a frame on it to make it look a bit different. For a rack mounted scope, well, might have been war surplus, maybe not. And they could have been standard equipment with the labels painted out. That would have kept people from realizing what it was, and keeping them focused on the plot (such as it was, at times). Someone actually wrote a story about that being a feature of intelligent people. The author forgot the 2AM factor. I think I know where he used to work..... David McCallum was in that. Piece of additional trivia. Movie called "Reptillicus", low budget (British, I'd guess, since it was set in London), giant reptile coming up the Thames type of movie. Hero was listening to the reports of the creature's progress on a Heathkit Oscilloscope switch. Had one in the basement, same model. Harvey
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Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
It's not that hard to bend up a larger top pan, with hand tools. Or add a piece of plywood, and a hold down strap. There are cheap belts on Ebay that would work fine. These are what I bought to wear, but I bought two extra to use on carts.
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They are $1.95 each. Michael A. Terrell -----Original Message-----
From: Al Holt <grovekid2@...> |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 05:19 pm, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The welding cart is nice in it has a sloping front, but the one I looked at Harbor Freight just doesn't have the depth to handle the 7603 from what I could tell. --Al |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
I have a bunch of these in both the shop, and in the house. They are sturdy enough, but a piece of plywood under the bottom shelf makes them even stronger.
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From: "Ed Breya via Groups.Io" <edbreya@...> |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
How about a cheap welding cart, or make a copy of the design from the online manual?
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From: "Ed Breya via Groups.Io" <edbreya@...> |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
Haha - I just looked at those Harbor Freight ones someone linked. That's the kind I was picturing, whether plastic or metal. Some are kind of spendy, but if you look at the coupons, there's a 3-shelf steel one for $40 on sale (regular $50). There's a 2-shelf steel one for $38 regular, so you could use your 20% off coupon to get it around $30. The 3-shelf will be much sturdier, however. The best thing to do with HF stuff is look at it in person to be sure it's of sufficient quality and function. In this price range, there's not much point to making your own.
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Re: OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"
Teaching a chimpanzee to use a meter is easy, but have you ever see one than can solder worth a damn? ;-)
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Michael A. Terrell -----Original Message-----
From: Albert LaFrance <albert.lafrance@...>A lot of the props were from local surplus stores. Even if it had been marked, it wouldn't have made sense. Despite the fact that the show's opening title sequence begins with what is |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
In some parts of the country scope equipment or any type of cart seem to be
rare birds. the Portland Oregon area is one of them. I'd love to see the one build out of plywood I have a friend with the Woodshop that could duplicate it or come up with something close. On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 4:58 PM Ed Breya via Groups.Io <edbreya= [email protected]> wrote: Are the real scope carts all that expensive? I've bought a few over recent |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
Are the real scope carts all that expensive? I've bought a few over recent years at flea markets and junk stores for around $10-25 typical. I was under the impression that the carts aren't in big demand anymore, and those I've gotten were sitting in stores for months, or still around near the end of a flea market, with no takers. The problem may be in the timing - when you need one, it's hard to find a deal. That's why I just get one whenever a good deal shows up, and worry about commissioning it later. I've got two uncommitted ones in stock right now, that will eventually be scoped up, but are storage shelves until then.
You should be able to fairly easily come up with a bought or homemade rig that will perform the needed function. Chances are that shortly thereafter, a real one will show up for $20. Oh well. I hate those wire-frame shelving and cart systems, so would never recommend them for anything. I think a simple utility cart with casters and a solid tray top is the way to go, in new or used form. It's a very basic piece of equipment, so there should be plenty to choose from. You may even want to look at outdoor garden carts - some are quite sturdy. Another semi-homemade option is to use the base cabinet of an old junked propane BBQ. I have made a number of benches and carts from these and almost anything else that rolls and is sturdy enough. You just have to come up with a wood top for it. Ed |
OT: Scopes and other electronics on "The Outer Limits"
I've been watching some episodes of the outstanding US science-fiction TV
series "The Outer Limits", which aired from 1963-1965 (two seasons). The settings of many episodes prominently feature electronic equipment, typically in a scientific laboratory, military command post, space mission control center, or a spacecraft. Despite the fact that the show's opening title sequence begins with what is probably best-known oscilloscope trace in history (), I haven't seen a lot of scopes in the episodes themselves, and the few that have appeared weren't operating. A DuMont shows up from time to time, just sitting on a counter or console as an afterthought. You'd think they'd at least be rigged up to display the ever-popular Lissajous figures, but the series was pretty low-budget. One episode showed, in the background, a cart-mounted scope which had the general form and panel layout of a Tek 500 series, but with a sort of white cowling around the top and sides of the front panel. In another, there was a rack-mounted 5-inch scope with a dark gray/green panel. I don't know what brand either scope was. In general, the electronics were a mix of real contemporary equipment and stuff that was probably purpose-built as props. The real equipment sometimes included those big multi-track analog tape recorders and vertical pen plotters that were so popular in the early years of aerospace development. The "prop" equipment was generally panels of meters, toggle switches, pots/rotary switches and indicator lights; the meters and lights were usually non-operational unless they had some significance in the plot. A lot of them were in 19-inch racks or bench-type consoles. A striking feature of these "prop" panels was the lack of labeling on any of the devices unless, again, a particular device had a role in the story (e.g. the radiation meter on an out-of-control reactor). But then, I guess a scientist who's smart enough to invent a time machine or inter-dimensional portal should be able to remember what switch does what. Another electronics tidbit from the series: in one episode, a scientist had developed a way to rapidly advance an individual primate's (including human's) evolution, based on the premise that an organism's future form is already encoded in its DNA and can brought out by the use of a machine built for that task. To show a visitor how effective this technique was, the scientist pointed to one of his successes - a chimpanzee seated at a bench in a corner of the lab, quite convincingly using a VOM to troubleshoot some piece of vacuum-tube electronics! Albert |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
You might look at some of these.
?Leon Robinson ?? K5JLR Political Correctness is a Political Disease. From: Dewey Wyatt <kn4wddewey@...> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives? Made mine from a half sheet of ? plywood. Added wheels and a folding shelf, around 30.00 invested and around 2 hrs time. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Al Holt Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives? I'd like to get my 7603 'scope onto some sort of roll around cart, but I'd like to see if it can be done within some sort of reasonable price range. This is just for getting the thing from room to room around my house and not in any professional workplace. Do you think one of those 3-tier wire shelving units might work, and work well? The cheapest thing I've come across is a $19 wire shelf at WalMart, but it would have to have threaded casters added to get it mobile. is what they have. I'm not sure if the legs will take 'standard' threaded casters, though. There are lots of alternatives, it would be nice to find one that is known to work well. Ideas? Thanks for the help!! --Al --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. |
Re: Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
Made mine from a half sheet of ? plywood. Added wheels and a folding shelf, around 30.00 invested and around 2 hrs time.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Al Holt Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TekScopes] Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives? I'd like to get my 7603 'scope onto some sort of roll around cart, but I'd like to see if it can be done within some sort of reasonable price range. This is just for getting the thing from room to room around my house and not in any professional workplace. Do you think one of those 3-tier wire shelving units might work, and work well? The cheapest thing I've come across is a $19 wire shelf at WalMart, but it would have to have threaded casters added to get it mobile. is what they have. I'm not sure if the legs will take 'standard' threaded casters, though. There are lots of alternatives, it would be nice to find one that is known to work well. Ideas? Thanks for the help!! --Al --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. |
Low cost Scope-Mobile alternatives?
I'd like to get my 7603 'scope onto some sort of roll around cart, but I'd like to see if it can be done within some sort of reasonable price range. This is just for getting the thing from room to room around my house and not in any professional workplace.
Do you think one of those 3-tier wire shelving units might work, and work well? The cheapest thing I've come across is a $19 wire shelf at WalMart, but it would have to have threaded casters added to get it mobile. is what they have. I'm not sure if the legs will take 'standard' threaded casters, though. There are lots of alternatives, it would be nice to find one that is known to work well. Ideas? Thanks for the help!! --Al |
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