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Re: OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

 

Then the group ceases to be a group.

Regards,
Barry - N4BUQ

Maybe we should have a group for each Tektronix instrument of interest
where users from the main TekScopes group can post their albums. This would
give some organization to the images allowing for a browsing capability
based on the instrument. Right now, you can't find anything.

Best,
John


Re: OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

 

Why would that be a bureaucratic nightmare? It's self managed by the users.
Unless you can group images in some manner, you have a situation where you
put things in a DB and they get lost. Having a search capability for images
isn't going to help unless you have a metadata capability. You can't search
images, you need to search metadata for the images - and someone needs to
enter the metadata.

Browsing and searching are complementary - one doesn't replace the other!

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

Or, instead of creating a bureaucratic nightmare, we
could wait for the search capability that groups.io's
owner has promised.

-Chuck Harris

JJ wrote:
Maybe we should have a group for each Tektronix instrument of interest
where users from the main TekScopes group can post their albums. This
would
give some organization to the images allowing for a browsing capability
based on the instrument. Right now, you can't find anything.

Best,
John



Re: OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

Chuck Harris
 

Or, instead of creating a bureaucratic nightmare, we
could wait for the search capability that groups.io's
owner has promised.

-Chuck Harris

JJ wrote:

Maybe we should have a group for each Tektronix instrument of interest
where users from the main TekScopes group can post their albums. This would
give some organization to the images allowing for a browsing capability
based on the instrument. Right now, you can't find anything.

Best,
John


Re: OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

 

And then there is also the EEVBLOG

On 4/30/2018 9:10 AM, Lee Houde wrote:
Not exactly sure how far specific vs generic you are considering, but there are "funwithtubes" and "funwithtransistors" groups on Yahoo that cover a lot of generic content.


--
Dave
Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

 

Maybe we should have a group for each Tektronix instrument of interest
where users from the main TekScopes group can post their albums. This would
give some organization to the images allowing for a browsing capability
based on the instrument. Right now, you can't find anything.

Best,
John

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Jeff Urban <JURB6006@...> wrote:

I looked around and didn't find another group for other electronics repair
except for very specific ones. thinking about the poster who asked
something about a tube type audio amp I wonder if it might be a good idea
to start a group for such things.

Obviously everyone in this group works on Tek scopes, but I am sure that
most do not exclusively work on Tek scopes. I saw no group for
HP/Agilent/Keysight, whatever their name is now, nor Gould, actually none
of the above.

And, if opinions fly here, should it be restricted (well kinda) to test
equipment ? Should it be open to all electronics such as brownwares
(consumer goods) or perhaps there could be a different group for that ?

The goal here is to do what we do here, but about different electronic
equipment, hopefully without diluting the purpose of this group. I think
this group works well, but I also see a need for others.

What say you ?




Re: OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

 

Not exactly sure how far specific vs generic you are considering, but there are "funwithtubes" and "funwithtransistors" groups on Yahoo that cover a lot of generic content.


Re: Intermittent no trace / sweep.

 

Posting picture is easy. Go to the Tekscopes home page and click on "photos" on the left hand side of the page

"Searching" for an a album is a bit retarded. But picture albums are listed in alpha-numerical order as I recall . So if one uses a little common sense like putting Model number first in album name then finding it after the fact is a bit easier. Doing that in subject lines of posts would help as well ... I have NO idea anymore what scope your talking about in this thread as an example.

-DC
manuals@...

On 4/30/2018 8:40 AM, vaclav_sal via Groups.Io wrote:
...and there is more... operators standing by...
There is a cerated spot on the "variable / fine sweep" shaft where the washer supposed to be,
have no idea how I managed to pull the shaft out and reinsert it with the washer still on it!
Anyway it is now back in correct space and guess what - there must be some kind of spring INSIDE the wafer assembly because now it springs back when released.
Still does not turn the shaft!
I wish I could post pictures here.


--
Dave
Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: THS710 Repair and (future) upgrade to THS720P

 

Hi all,

I received the replacement display from China (Aliexpress, LM32P10).
It arrived complete, so including the CCFL tube, it was basically a drop-in replacement, but.........

Three remarks should be made:

1. it was slightly (< 1mm) wider than the original, but cutting a bit of the rubber on the right hand side of the display enabled it to fit nicely.

2. it was slightly thicker than the original, but there is enough room behind the front panel, so that was actually no problem.

3. The new panel created more noise somehow, causing the keypad to generate spurious entries.
In the original panel there was a ground wire from the side of the flat cable connector to a piece of conductive tape placed on the metal frame of the display, the new one did not have this.
I moved that piece of wire and tape to the new display, but that did not help (enough?).
It looked as if the keypad was picking up more noise, maybe from the CCFL?
Anyway, to solve things, I connected a ground wire to the aluminium base plate of the keypad, that cleared all the spurious keystrokes.

In the album ( /g/TekScopes/album?id=41029 ) is a picture of my THS710 now upgraded to a THS720 with a new NiMh 3000mAh battery and his new display.

Un saludo,

Leo

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:19 am, satbeginner wrote:


Hi,

while waiting for a new display, I took the one I have apart.
These were the steps I took:

Remove the battery,
Remove the front of the scope,
Remove the button rubber,
Carefully fold back the aluminium keyboard plate,
Take out the display, undo the two clamps that holds the flat-cable,
Unplug the HV cable connector,
Remove the display,
Unscrew the two small parkers that holds the plastic cover over the CCFL tube;
Use a little pair of pliers to open the 6 hooks that are bend to keep the
metal front and rear together;
Remove the metal back from the display;
Take the transparent plastic light guide out;
In my case I could see the haircracks in the bottom part of the LCD, causing
the black bar.

Assemble in reverse order, make sure the black foil is tight around the CCFL
and the backlight plastic to make sure all the light enters the display.

Pictures of my display are added here:
/g/TekScopes/album?id=41029

Un saludo,

Leo


Re: Intermittent no trace / sweep.

vaclav_sal
 

...and there is more... operators standing by...
There is a cerated spot on the "variable / fine sweep" shaft where the washer supposed to be,
have no idea how I managed to pull the shaft out and reinsert it with the washer still on it!
Anyway it is now back in correct space and guess what - there must be some kind of spring INSIDE the wafer assembly because now it springs back when released.
Still does not turn the shaft!
I wish I could post pictures here.


Re: OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

 

I don't think HP has moved to Groups.io but there is a very active HP/Agilent/Keysight group on Yahoo. There's also a test equipment group (although it's not quite as active as some others).

Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Urban" <JURB6006@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 7:09:08 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

I looked around and didn't find another group for other electronics repair
except for very specific ones. thinking about the poster who asked something
about a tube type audio amp I wonder if it might be a good idea to start a
group for such things.

Obviously everyone in this group works on Tek scopes, but I am sure that most
do not exclusively work on Tek scopes. I saw no group for
HP/Agilent/Keysight, whatever their name is now, nor Gould, actually none of
the above.

And, if opinions fly here, should it be restricted (well kinda) to test
equipment ? Should it be open to all electronics such as brownwares
(consumer goods) or perhaps there could be a different group for that ?

The goal here is to do what we do here, but about different electronic
equipment, hopefully without diluting the purpose of this group. I think
this group works well, but I also see a need for others.

What say you ?




Re: 465 repair, CRT issues

 

Question : how does this manifest ? Imena when you turn up the intensity does the beam split on two, or does another seem to emerge at the top or bottom of the first, or does it seem to widen gradually with increasing intensity being maybe blurry and then finally looking like two traces ?

Also, someone mentioned seeing a sine wave on pone of these, I would go through all the sweep speeds and even use the variable to see if any type of waveform ever presents.

I like a mysteries but I like them better solved :-)


OT : How About A Group For "Other" ?

 

I looked around and didn't find another group for other electronics repair except for very specific ones. thinking about the poster who asked something about a tube type audio amp I wonder if it might be a good idea to start a group for such things.

Obviously everyone in this group works on Tek scopes, but I am sure that most do not exclusively work on Tek scopes. I saw no group for HP/Agilent/Keysight, whatever their name is now, nor Gould, actually none of the above.

And, if opinions fly here, should it be restricted (well kinda) to test equipment ? Should it be open to all electronics such as brownwares (consumer goods) or perhaps there could be a different group for that ?

The goal here is to do what we do here, but about different electronic equipment, hopefully without diluting the purpose of this group. I think this group works well, but I also see a need for others.

What say you ?


Re: 465 repair, CRT issues

 

Update, the issue persists even without vertical deflection, and with the scope cased up. That leaves only the CRT and the HV supply left. Could a bad voltage multiplier pop up only when increasing the intensity? Will do further measurements on the CRT pins later this week.


Re: 465 repair, CRT issues

 

Hi Lorn,
I have a 475, which is similar. I`ve noticed that it needs the covers on,
otherwise it will pick up hum and either produce a triggerable trace, about
2 minor divisions high, or a thick trace at higher sweep speeds. It will do
this even at insensitive attenuator settings, meaning that the pickup
probably is in the Y amp itself. I suggest you try it with cover on.
Cheers!.............................................................................................................................................................................................................Don
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM, blackholenulled <lorn@...> wrote:

What's interesting is my 465B developed the same problem when I took the
cover off (see "465B won't trigger" thread).
I noticed on slow time scales where more pulses are displayed that I could
clearly see a sine wave superimposed on the top and bottom edges of the
waveform. On the faster time scales (zoomed in if you will) the sine wave
isn't visible but the trace looks doubled. Probably because one sweep is at
one point in the sine wave and subsequent sweeps are at a different point.

I'm still working on mine so I haven't had a chance to put the cover back
on to see if it goes away. I've just suspected the scope is sensitive
enough to pick up stray AC, for instance from the fluorescent lights or
it's own power cord.

So try zooming out the waveform quite a ways and see if there is AC
superimposed. If you find a cause other than what I've mentioned I'd be
interested in knowing.

Thanks!

Lorn
KK4KRI
On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 04:26 pm, Offelis wrote:


I recently acquired a 465 in rather good condition, and have been
cleaning it
up over the weekend. Power supply rails have been checked to be within
spec,
including the -2450V one. CRT bias adjusted according to service manual
as
well.

Having just finished converting the volts/div indicator lights to LEDs, I
unfortunately stumbled onto a more serious seeming trace issue. At a low
intensity setting, the trace is as one would expect, albeit not
particularly
sharp, but still quite usable. However, at the intensities required at
faster
sweeps (50u/div and above), the trace takes a very peculiar appearance of
doubling itself! This can be controlled at will with the intensity knob,
and
the two "traces" appear when the focus is at sharpest. Here are some
pictures
of the issue:

The issue was not present just a day or two ago, so is it possible that
the
CRT has given up the ghost over the ~10 hours or so of power-on time
during
testing and adjustments? Hoping someone can shed light on this oddity.




Re: 465 repair, CRT issues

 

What's interesting is my 465B developed the same problem when I took the cover off (see "465B won't trigger" thread).
I noticed on slow time scales where more pulses are displayed that I could clearly see a sine wave superimposed on the top and bottom edges of the waveform. On the faster time scales (zoomed in if you will) the sine wave isn't visible but the trace looks doubled. Probably because one sweep is at one point in the sine wave and subsequent sweeps are at a different point.

I'm still working on mine so I haven't had a chance to put the cover back on to see if it goes away. I've just suspected the scope is sensitive enough to pick up stray AC, for instance from the fluorescent lights or it's own power cord.

So try zooming out the waveform quite a ways and see if there is AC superimposed. If you find a cause other than what I've mentioned I'd be interested in knowing.

Thanks!

Lorn
KK4KRI

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 04:26 pm, Offelis wrote:


I recently acquired a 465 in rather good condition, and have been cleaning it
up over the weekend. Power supply rails have been checked to be within spec,
including the -2450V one. CRT bias adjusted according to service manual as
well.

Having just finished converting the volts/div indicator lights to LEDs, I
unfortunately stumbled onto a more serious seeming trace issue. At a low
intensity setting, the trace is as one would expect, albeit not particularly
sharp, but still quite usable. However, at the intensities required at faster
sweeps (50u/div and above), the trace takes a very peculiar appearance of
doubling itself! This can be controlled at will with the intensity knob, and
the two "traces" appear when the focus is at sharpest. Here are some pictures
of the issue:

The issue was not present just a day or two ago, so is it possible that the
CRT has given up the ghost over the ~10 hours or so of power-on time during
testing and adjustments? Hoping someone can shed light on this oddity.


Re: 547, 546

 

Roy.. I inquired about the other 547 in Mass for you but haven't heard back from the seller. S/he's actually in Central Mass. Maybe a bit closer to you.

On April 29, 2018 8:50:36 PM "Roy Morgan" <k1lky68@...> wrote:

Carl,

I am in the market for a 547, but Chicago is a long way from mid state New York where I am. It is possible that in the future I¡¯d be out your way, though.

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky68@...



On Apr 24, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Carl Hallberg via Groups.Io
<n9ess@...> wrote:

I see that people are still interested in the 547 scope. That is one of
the scopes I had at work in the 1960s. I have a 547 and a 546 to get rid of cheeeeap. I will not ship and I live about 60 miles from Chicago. We can talk about plugins if interested.




Re: FG504 and failed Q270 (SPS2927)

 

Probably something weird about the digest mode? I'll switch to Individual Emails for a day or so and see if it changes.

Dave M

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 08:44 am, Chuck Harris wrote:


It worked both times.

-Chuck Harris

David M wrote:
Well, it happened again. I made sure to click the little "Quote Whole Post"
icon before replying, but the quoted text didn't make it into my reply.
Groups.io gone bonkers, or is it me? What am I doing wrong?

Dave M

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 07:36 am, David M wrote:


Wasn't because I didn't try... I made sure to quote the original post in
my
reply, but I guess groups.io scrubbed it. I replied by "Reply to Group" at
the bottom of the original message (I get the digest format), and made sure
to
copy the original message text into my reply..
Anyway, sorry for the confusion.

Cheers,
Dave M

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 05:43 am, Artekmedia wrote:


Many thanks for what ? Relevant prior post not included ????

On 4/29/2018 7:17 AM, NigelP wrote:
Many thanks for that; I'll look it up..... might even have some in the
transistor collection :).

Nigel Pritchard


Re: 547, 546

Roy Morgan
 

Carl,

I am in the market for a 547, but Chicago is a long way from mid state New York where I am. It is possible that in the future I¡¯d be out your way, though.

Roy

Roy Morgan
k1lky68@...

On Apr 24, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Carl Hallberg via Groups.Io <n9ess@...> wrote:

I see that people are still interested in the 547 scope. That is one of the scopes I had at work in the 1960s. I have a 547 and a 546 to get rid of cheeeeap. I will not ship and I live about 60 miles from Chicago. We can talk about plugins if interested.


Re: 7603 Z-Axis board transistor Q1152 running a little too hot?

 

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 08:24 am, Fabio Trevisan wrote:

The 3K9 resistors at the emitter of the top transistors should have about 25V across them. Lift one of their leads and measure their resistance, to be sure they're still at 3k9. If the resistors are within tolerance, and the voltage is about 25V, then you know the collector current of the output transistor pair is correct.
My measurements of the 3k9 resistors:
R1152 -- 3k95 Ohms & 26.83 Volts
R1132 -- 3k97 Ohms & 27.19 Volts

Measure the voltage at the collector of Q1136 and Q1156... they both should measure about 4V (relative to ground)...
My measurement were:
Q1136 -- 5.75 Volts
Q1156 -- 5.58 Volts

Finally, measure the voltage across the 120ohm resistors at the output... It will give you an idea of how much current is being drawn by the load circuitry downstream. By no means this current can be more than the quiescent bias current going through the output transistors, which is about 6mA. My wild guess is that it shouldn't be any greater than half of it, or about 3mA, because otherwise this would seriously upset the quiescent point of a Class A amplifier.
My measurements were:
R1157: measured 122.3 Ohms, Voltage Drop: 6.2mV
R1137, measured 123.3 Ohms, Voltage Drop: 1.5mV

All told, I'd say the section is operating normally; the voltage drops across the 120 Ohm resistors varies a lot from your hunch, but maybe that's a good thing. For now I'll do a bit more cleaning up with larger 20k resistors and a top-hat heatsink for Q1156 and try some more checks of the entire instrument.

Thanks again!

--Al


Re: Intermittent no trace / sweep.

vaclav_sal
 

OK. the board is out and the sweep assembly also out.
Here what IS A PROBLEM and I do not believe Tek would build something like this....
The delay sweep "wafers" are FRICTION operated !
The funky flywheel is PULLED in the switching wafers and just by friction turns the wafer assembly.
So - after 40 years plus this friction is nil!
There is a small retaining type washer on the INSIDE of the tube, not sure what it does. It would probably work better if anther retaining washer was mounted on the flywheel nipple - so when the knob is pulled it would press against the tube which turns the wafer assembly.
I did put some super glue just to build more material to increase the friction and it did help a little.