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Re: BNC Installation Tool
Going back to the mid 60's, I have always used a soldered T connector. Works like a charm, and it is dirt cheap.
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Gary On April 26, 2018, at 3:08 PM, Siggi <siggi@...> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 16:53 Larry McDavid <lmcdavid@...> wrote: I'm not sure now who "just uploaded some pictures of the tool" but thereThat would have been H?kan, and the album is linked earlier in the thread. Here's the link again </g/TekScopes/album?id=45980>. No offense, but I feel like this group's descending somewhat into a petty quoting call-out war. Maybe we can cool that a little, as it really doesn't add any value to the archive, and may deter valuable contributions? Note that even when reading the thread in an email client and an unwitting poster's committed the (mortal) sin of under or over-quoting, it's always possible to click the link at the bottom of the email to zip into the groups.io thread page. |
Re: Eli Heffron's electronic junkyard
Yes, Albert,
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I went to many hamfests in the DC area (Vienna, Gaithersburg, Manassas, and Berryville) from early 70s to now, and remember the Star Trek Enterprise van real well! In the late 70s I bought a 544 (50 mHz, who would need higher?) at one hamfest, Vienna I think, as it was demonstrated working. I never went (did not live there), but friends told about trips to SASCO and EEB. Ana Instruments in King George looked like a surplus place of years gone by when I stopped in about two years ago. Military surplus with emphasis on test equipment piled high. Two museums in the area, National Capital Radio and TV in Bowie, MD and National Electronics Museum n Linthicum, MD. This one has lots of exhibits of the government three and four (NASA) letter agency's electronics gadgets. Frank DuVal WA4CWM On 4/25/2018 6:41 PM, Albert LaFrance wrote:
Just wanted to contribute to this compilation of long-gone electronics |
Re: New file uploaded to [email protected]
Hi Robert :
It is a very useful information for me to understand the PSU of 7904 ! On the other hand , I am looking for the data sheets for the fast recovery rectifier 152-0502-00 ( MBD5300 ) and 152-0397-00 ( MR880 ). It was because my PSU of 7904 CR1311 and 1312 using replacements having different shut down result at same loading conditions, it is low loading only !? Thanks ! RegardTony CheungAPR 27 2018 From: "[email protected] Notification" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 4:12 AM Subject: [TekScopes] New file uploaded to [email protected] Hello,This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.File: 7904 - U1275 IC Information 155-0067-02.pdfUploaded By:Robert Hay Description: Internals info for U1275 in 7904 mainframe, PS control chip 155-0067-02 from the Tek Made handbook.You can access this file at the URL: /g/TekScopes/files/7904%20-%20U1275%20IC%20Information%20155-0067-02.pdfCheers, The 开云体育 Team |
Re: Tek 422 ac/dc power supply issues
I am not sure I understand. C1224 in on the output side of T1201 and is the feed for the Voltage doubler input? cap generating -110V .
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what /where is CR 1224?? do you mean D1224? but if the Ac is not supplied to the diodes.....how can..??.... well I think a typo? I missed something? I do have a question regarding the "on duration" for the choppers, as the input voltage increases. obviously if the duration increases so does the current and heat. So if the osc/pulse width go haywire as the input V increases, I am inclined to look at the regulation which is controlled by feedback circuit (-12V) on the DC-DC board. might want to monitor E of Q1104/14....or look at the C the other side of the diode to Pri T1171 see if instability is being generated further back I looked at the waveforms you posted earlier and they look good...like the pictures on schematics ( I just found manual with barely readable waveforms) _YOURS:_ At ~16 volts in; 50 uS/g/TekScopes/photo/44484/2?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 perfect!! not like mine which collection is here: /g/TekScopes/album?id=44362 (Note -all mine are run at 11.5VDC input as if it was battery operated. connection is at junction of D1176 and D1177. I tried to label the picts with some info all AC scope input) re the instability / Ringing- as the heat rises so does the gain of the xstr ( as I understand). in fact the instability picture looks similar to when I tried to use Darlington for the choppers...too much gain? it is really hard to see whether the transistor is actually turning off long enough for the appropriate duty cycle at the higher voltage. causing the I increase causing the heat to rise...... _YOUR_ ringing picture where you are unable to get stable view now at ~30 volts in; 50 uS/g/TekScopes/photo/44484/4?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0 I am thinking a .001uf across the pri of T1201 to center?.. might help...hmmm maybe the .01 or the D1177/R1177/C1177 combo (same on other half 1187's) for the anti ringing are having issues..... so where is the ripple originating? the bench supply? I need I am going to be around but away from the bench....out of town, I will bring my stuff to think/study..etc... 搁别苍é别 PS realizing all the info is not sent to the group for easy understanding....thanks to others for the heads-up...learning a lot from the other threads. On 2018-04-26 11:34 AM, Jeff Urban wrote:
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453 blows HV fuse
I am getting back to a project I've had on the back burner for a long time.
About a year ago I left my 453 running in the shop on a very hot day. When I came back a couple of hours later there was no trace. I discovered the fan had stopped. More investigation found that the HV fuse had blown. I don't remember if the line fuse also blew but don't think so. I thought the fan had frozen up but found the rotor turned easily and when powered up ran fine. Still does. Now the problem is that the HV fuse F-937 blows. I checked Q-930, Q-923, Q-913, and Q-914 using the old fashioned method of an ohm meter. All seem to be good. I also made resistance measurements on T-930 and also voltage checks on it to see if there was a short. There does not appear to be. I am at a loss. If I disconnect the collector of Q-930 the fuse does not blow. If I disconnect the base of Q-930 it does not blow. I also have measured the current though the fuse to see what differences the connections make and to avoid putting many fuses in. I am using a GR metered Variac as an AC source. The voltage at the base of Q-930 with it disconnected is +11 volts, the handbook says it should be -4.4 volts. I looked at the +75V supply at R-925 and it measured right on the nose. The other side of the 13K resistor should be -4.4 volts. Being disconnected from the base of Q-930 probably affects this. I've made some other checks, resistor values etc. but can't find anything. Probably I must obtain replacement transistors for all of these guys and try substituting rather than just resistance checks. It would be helpful if someone knows what kinds to get these days. If anyone has had a similar problem please let me know what you found. Its very frustrating. Also, this is my one and only decent scope so I have none other to trouble shoot with. Measurements were made using a Triplett 630A and a Hewlett-Packard bench DVM. -- Richard Knoppow dickburk@... WB6KBL |
Re: 547, 546
Speaking of the classic 547 scope, does anyone have any information on how many of these scopes were manufactured or where to find this information? I looked at the 547 manual on BAMA and the highest serial # revision I saw was for #15,301 and up. If anyone has one with a serial# higher can you let me know? I find these machines to be works of amazing works of art. Thanks. Marty.
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On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 11:28:19 AM EDT, Carl Hallberg via Groups.Io <n9ess@...> wrote:
I see that people are still interested in the 547 scope.? That is one of the scopes I had at work in the 1960s.? I have a 547 and a 546 to get rid of cheeeeap.? I will not ship and I live about 60 miles from Chicago.? We can talk about plugins if interested.? Carl W9CJH n9ess@...? -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/24/18, David Berlind <david@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 547 in New Hampshire cleaning To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 5:22 AM Just a quick update on the original 547 that was for sale. The first person in the queue to look at it took it. So, unfortunately, I never got the chance to grab it for the other forum member. However, the seller may have some other gear coming up for sale and I've asked him to keep me apprised. 35507547/xyzzy |
Re: BNC Installation Tool
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 at 16:53 Larry McDavid <lmcdavid@...> wrote:
I'm not sure now who "just uploaded some pictures of the tool" but thereThat would have been H?kan, and the album is linked earlier in the thread. Here's the link again </g/TekScopes/album?id=45980>. No offense, but I feel like this group's descending somewhat into a petty quoting call-out war. Maybe we can cool that a little, as it really doesn't add any value to the archive, and may deter valuable contributions? Note that even when reading the thread in an email client and an unwitting poster's committed the (mortal) sin of under or over-quoting, it's always possible to click the link at the bottom of the email to zip into the groups.io thread page. |
Re: Tek 7623A - Readout omits 2nd zeroes while cold
Hi Fabio,
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What you see on the screen is determined by very small incremental currents (I forget the exact values but they are on the order of 1 mA) small changes in the current determine which symbol to select. The ROM containing all of the possible symbols was expensive in those days so they added a few shortcuts. There are many cases where you need one zero but when you connect an X10 probe the readout gets multiplied by 10 and suddenly you need two zeros. Whether one zero or two zeros gets selected depends on the correct measurement of the current. Unfortunately, resistor values change over long time periods, and contact resistance increases as contacts get dirty or the contacts loose some of their tension and don't mate as well. The symptom appears as the wrong characters on the CRT. In almost every case I have seen this the solution is to clean the dirt and deposits off the edge connector contacts with alcohol or DeOxit. If that doesn't work then I go back through the chain of ICs and resistors on the readout board. In my experience one of the IC sockets on the readout board got oxidized and all you need to do is pop the IC out and put it back in to the socket to get it to make good contact again. Resistor values that creep over time (the 7623A was made from 1975 to 1989) could also be the problem. The entire readout system depends on 1% resistors to very accurately determine the current used to select the correct character to display on the CRT. Since you have identified the area of an IC on the readout board I would reseat all the ICs and in particular clean that socket and check the resistances of all 1% resistors in that area of the board. If the service manual shows you the characters in the ROM you can determine which currents are specific to selection of the 0 and double 0 and that should tell you the exact pin on the IC that is acting up. It will also tell you which 1% resistors to check carefully. Dennis Tillman W7PF -----Original Message----- -- Dennis Tillman W7PF TekScopes Moderator |
Re: BNC Installation Tool
I'm not sure now who "just uploaded some pictures of the tool" but there was no link to the pictures and no mention of what album they are stored in, making finding the pictures difficult...
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Larry On 4/26/2018 6:45 AM, zenith5106 wrote:
Mine has the numbers -0755- hand engraved in the handle so the P/N is 003-0755-00.I just uploaded some pictures of the tool. --
Best wishes, Larry McDavid W6FUB Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland) |
Re: 465B won't trigger
Hello Lorn,
Great news indeed!... So your problem is narrowed down to exactly the same cause of mine: One, or both, of the input FET Transistors bad. And I did exactly what you did, meanwhile I couldn't source another pair... I cannibalized the B sweep trigger. In fact, there's very little impact to it, because 90% of the times, we use the B Sweep in the "STARTS AFTER DELAY" mode... and this mode doesn't use the triggering input buffers or the trigger amplifier whatsoever... As for the source of the transistors you wrote: Any ideas anyone?Not quite right! I don't know from where you got the 2N5245, but according to Tektronix_Xref_sm.pdf available at Archive.org (), part number 151-0042-00 is found at page 7-7. This part number is a characterized and matched pair of 2N4416 (which is probably also obsolete, but not that hard to find). From the "stock" 2N4416 whose IDss can vary from 5 to 15 mA, those ones are selected to a narrower IDss range of 10 to 15mA, and the pair need to be matched within 0.5mA between each other. Even if you cannot get a matched pair, as long as they're not too different, you can zero them out by tweaking the value of R7325 or R7327 (or both). This will compensate for the different Vgs that will develop across each one of the **not matched** xsistors' source resistors, in order to get the output voltage as close to 0V as possible, The fact they're not matched will have the down side their IDss will also drift differently with temperature so, tweaking the resistors solves the matching problem at one given temperature but as the temperature changes, they will drift apart from each other... But since this is **only** triggering (I can see Howard Vollum revolving in his grave now), it's not that critical!. And you can always put the non-matched pair on the B sweep trigger, which is rarely used. Good luck with your 465B, This is my dream 465 scope, with Alternate Delayed time base instead of the least useful "MIX" mode that's present on the regular 465s. I have a 464 with DM44 multimeter (it has a weak CRT) and just recently got a 7623A with 7B53A timebase, so I'm probably married to the "MIX" mode for the foreseeable future. I'll probably sell my 464 and watch out for a good 465b, or even a 468 (which is a 465b + digital storage). Rgrds, Fabio |
Re: BNC Installation Tool
LOL. You just perfectly described the one on ebay and amazon.
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Vince. On 04/26/2018 03:56 AM, John Kolb wrote:
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Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. File: 7904 - U1275 IC Information 155-0067-02.pdf Uploaded By: Robert Hay Description: You can access this file at the URL: Cheers, |
Re: BNC Installation Tool
Had a BNC installation tool back at Wavetek back in the 1970's. Made in the shop there. Consisted of a hollow tube which fit on the outside of the BNC shell, and had a pair of slots the BNC pins fit into. A 3" crosswise rod served as a handle. The tool held the BNC stationary by
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holding the pins, while the BNC nut was tightened. John KK6IL On 4/25/2018 12:18 PM, Larry McDavid wrote:
Someone here mentioned a BNC installation tool. I took that in context to mean a tool that holds a chassis-mount female BNC jack while tightening the backside nut but I don't find any such tool when searching, only tools to disconnect mated BNC connectors. |
Re: BNC Installation Tool
What album for what????????????????????
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How about quoting enough of what you are committing about so we know what you are talking about?? Glenn On 4/26/2018 11:50 AM, Ed Breya via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: BNC Wrench
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Larry McDavid wrote:
Thanks to many for the info on the available BNC wrench; I never thought to search for "wrench."That Ebay one I mentioned is brass so it is durable. At least the one I have, can't guarantee they didn't switch to aluminum but almost sure they didn't. --- * * KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. * * Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. * * |
Re: Tek 7623A - Readout omits 2nd zeroes while cold
Hi Roger,
My answers next to your posts / questions... On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 04:10 am, Roger Evans wrote: I have looked at the pins you mention on U2232, particularly at pin 12, C1Thank you for taking the time to look at it! What you describe is exactly what I see on mine. By the way, the column in question here is actually C2 (pin 13 of U2232). C1 is involved only for the single zero and C2 for the double zero. Now that you confirmed that yours look the same as mine I take it as a confirmation that's nothing wrong in this department (i.e. Column decoded signals are OK). It's weird though, because the Row decoded signals, are beautiful signals with lows almost at 0V and highs of flat, noiseless 3V. On the Column decoded lines however, it's not easy to distinguish which line as active at any time slot, because of the distracting garbage on the higher part of the waveform, and the low spikes don't quite fit the bill of discrete logic levels. Even more difficult to understand is the narrow spikes, the only portion of the Column decoded signal that comes closer to 0V, are not actually generated by the column decoder! They are artifacts coming from the load of those lines (all 5 character generators, the spikes reflect the current being drawn by the character generators while "plotting" ) So, if we disregard those spikes, the "low" actually being generated by the decoder IC are the two plateaus immediately before and after the spikes... and they're barely distinguishable (in level) from the surrounding "high" garble... It's a miracle that U2232 can pick any "logic level" from those column decoded lines lines! Anyway, it is what it is. I just posted the photos from mine: /g/TekScopes/album?id=46025 Having had two more evenings to sleep on the problem, I think I can conclude the issue is really within U2232, and not that it's just more sensitive - while cold - to some marginal signal at its inputs... The evidence to that is the First Zero that indeed shows up, irrespective of temperature. The whole thing is confusing and we tend to think that the first zero is generated by an active level detected at C1, and the 2nd zero generated by an active level detected at C2 (during Time Slot 1). But there is only one column active at TS1... either it's C1, for which only one zero is generated (later, at TS5), or it's C2, for which the double zero is generated, respectively at TS5 and TS6. So, for the sake of assessing if the issue would be caused by C2 being at a marginal logic level which U2232 **could** be misinterpreting it as inactive (while cold)... If that would be the case, the TWO zeroes would disappear, not just the second one... It's the same C2 that's being sampled at TS1 and being memorized at that moment who is going to trigger the first **and** the second zeros to appear, each one at the correct time slot... Have you tried removing U2232 (and maybe U2244 and U2185 the row and columnYep, not only removed them and scraped the pins to eliminate any oxidation (from all the 3 ICs), but I also swapped U2244 with U2185 to rule out the Column decoder could be generating poor signals. Indeed, the dreaded Texas sockets are all around but, at least this time, they don't seem to be the cause, as I confirmed continuity from each pin. So now, I`m left with 3 options: 1. I live with the problem because it really takes little time to get on its feet (maybe 5 minutes). The only down side is if the IC degrades further in the future and maybe I won't find a replacement then. 2. I put up some external circuitry together (maybe glue logic or uC), to emulate the broken part of the IC, or maybe the whole IC. It would be fun but I have other priorities. 3. I find myself another U2232 and grab it. If I would be in the US, I would have done it already... but being in Brazil, with the added complication of customs sticking their nose into every tiny package. Only thinking of it makes me sigh already. One time my daughter bought a $8.50 wig (cos-play stuff) from China... It got stuck in customs... they charged me twice what the wig costed and I lost almost an afternoon to attend to the place and take it out... Damn bureaucrats! Many thanks again and Rgrds, Fabio |
Re: BNC Wrench
If you are referring to the Xcelite type wrenches the socket is made of steel and so is the driver on the handle.
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There is a name for the tool used to round out tubing but I am drawing a blank on it. This post reminded me that I had used this trick in the past but forgotten it. On 4/26/2018 10:52 AM, Larry McDavid wrote:
Thanks to many for the info on the available BNC wrench; I never thought to search for "wrench." --
Richard Knoppow dickburk@... WB6KBL |
Re: Tek 422 ac/dc power supply issues
HEY RENEE !
In case you're watching right now, disconnect C 1224 and see what you get. Just clean disconnect it. I cranked up the input voltage on mine and it made CR 1224 short. Then I got a very subdued waveform at the choppers. I got parts changed and it still wasn't right, and then C 1225 exploded. More details after the heat run. I might just have to open up a beer even though it is too early. (after the heat run) |
BNC Wrench
Thanks to many for the info on the available BNC wrench; I never thought to search for "wrench."
Someone who has one of those wrenches (available on eBay and Amazon), please explain if the hex stock it is made from is brass or chem film treated aluminum. Has it been durable? -- Best wishes, Larry McDavid W6FUB Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland) |
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