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Re: TM 504 came today DC 504 not counting

 

Looks like a crystal socket to the right of the variable capacitor. Maybe a 1 MHz reference crystal?

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Subject: Re: [TekScopes] TM 504 came today DC 504 not counting


I'm thinking there should be an oscillator here? /g/TekScopes/photo/37195/9?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: Back feet for 335 scope

 

Lee, I received the new feet late today and they look very nice.
I should probably send you the pictures off list so please let me know where to send them.
Many thanks,
Bert

On 3/1/2018 7:05 PM, Lee Houde wrote:
Jeff, the foot is packaged up in a USPS Small Flat Rate box. Hopefully I will remember to mail it tomorrow and you will likely have it Monday. You should have received an email from the USPS with the tracking number; if not yet then you should when they have the package. Just remember to save my shipping label for the return address.

Now to find a source for 2445 and 2430A feet....


DSA 602 repair

 

I have 2 DSA601/602's that used to work. One still works but with problems. This is probably power supply problems but I thought I'd collect a few other possibilities before I dig in. Someone may have seen this before.The 2 pictures display the problem with the vertical part of the trace. Signal source is the Tek pocket generator.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=41301


Re: TM 504 came today DC 504 not counting

 

It's all in the manual - U160 is a 1MHz crystal oscillator and programmable divider.

Roger


Re: TM 504 came today DC 504 not counting

 

I'm thinking there should be an oscillator here? /g/TekScopes/photo/37195/9?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

 

I had a look for any old microfiche but did not find any. My Epsom V700 scanner
came with a number of film carriers of various sizes. One looked like it could hold
2 microfiche but it was just a little too small for the 105 x 148 mm size of a microfiche.
But the carrier is nothing special, it just serves to hold the film flat and away from
the glass. I could make something that would work out of cardboard.

I will see if I can pickup some microfiche at flea markets of junk shops.

I searched online and a lot of people have scanned microfiche with a bed scanner.
Some with better results than others. One person got good results with a 3200 DPI
scanner so my 4800 DPI unit should do better.

Does anyone want to send me some example microfiche that they don't care about?

Pete.


Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

 

It seems that the same method can be used that transfers 8mm et al movies to digital could be used. In the case of movies a projector is modified; the lamp is replaced by an LED and a camera (USB in the ones I've seen) is placed where the lens would go (or the lens is still in place - been a while). In the case of fiche cards, put a camera on the lens of the reader and replace the lamp with an LED. You could use steppers to move the platten around.

Vince.

On 03/29/2018 09:16 AM, Leslie Austin wrote:
I have a few hundred microfiche, Grundig and NordMende service manuals,
some Ducati parts manuals, plus a few Ford ones. I have had various full
size flatbed scanners complete with transparency adaptors, but so far
attempts at scanning fiche have been unsuccessful. I have considered
setting up a digital camera to take photos of the screen of my fiche
reader, but not done so.

A few years ago I came across a large office size fiche scanner with
built in photocopier. I could not get service info (not surprising
really), but with a pal, we attempted repairs. We found and fixed a
number of faults, but in the end had to give up in view of no technical
info or circuits, so it went back to scrap. I think I saved lenses etc.,
but never found a use for them.

If anybody does successfully scan with a high end vanilla scanner,
please let me know. I often felt that the Canon scanners would be
suitable candidates, but their high end models had no linux drivers
available, so no chance with those.

Les.


On 29/03/18 12:37, cnc_joker wrote:

The quality of images in most microfiche that I have used is quite
poor. Perhaps using
a high resolution bed scanner would be sufficient. I have an Epson
V700 scanner
that has real optical 4800 DPI resolution and 9600 DPI if you use
sub-sampling. There
may be even higher resolution scanners that don't cost a lot of
money. There are up to
14 page images across the 4 inches width of a microfiche. My
scanner would get about
150 DPI (300 DPI sub-sampled) on a single page which should be good
enough to get a
usable image.

This would get all the images on the microfiche in one scan. There
would be some
work in breaking out each page and assembling them into the proper
order. That
work could be farmed out to all of us that are interested. The
Museum could just
post the full scan of the microfiche and we would do the rest.


I may try scanning a microfiche if I can find one around here. I
cleared a lot of old manuals
out of my lab when PDF's became more convenient. My old microfiche
may have gone out as
well.

Pete.



--
Michigan VHF Corp.


Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

 

VueScan (www.hamrick.com) works with Linux, Windows and Mac OS X.

No affiliation. Just a very happy customer.


On 2018-Mar-29 9:16 AM, Leslie Austin wrote:
I have a few hundred microfiche, Grundig and NordMende service manuals, some Ducati parts manuals, plus a few Ford ones. I have had various full size flatbed scanners complete with transparency adaptors, but so far attempts at scanning fiche have been unsuccessful. I have considered setting up a digital camera to take photos of the screen? of my fiche reader, but not done so.

A few years ago I came across a large office size fiche scanner with built in photocopier. I could not get service info (not surprising really), but with a pal, we attempted repairs. We found and fixed a number of faults, but in the end had to give up in view of no technical info or circuits, so it went back to scrap. I think I saved lenses etc., but never found a use for them.

If anybody does successfully scan with a high end vanilla scanner, please let me know. I often felt that the Canon scanners would be suitable candidates, but their high end models had no linux drivers available, so no chance with those.

Les.


On 29/03/18 12:37, cnc_joker wrote:

The quality of images in most microfiche that I have used is quite poor.?? Perhaps using
a high resolution bed scanner would be sufficient.?? I have an Epson V700 scanner
that has real optical 4800 DPI resolution and 9600 DPI if you use sub-sampling.?? There
may be even higher resolution scanners that don't cost a lot of money.??? There are up to
14 page images across the 4 inches width of a microfiche.??? My scanner would get about
150 DPI (300 DPI sub-sampled) on a single page which should be good enough to get a
usable image.

This would get all the images on the microfiche in one scan. There would be some
work in breaking out each page and assembling them into the proper order.?? That
work could be farmed out to all of us that are interested.?? The Museum could just
post the full scan of the microfiche and we would do the rest.


I may try scanning a microfiche if I can find one around here. I cleared a lot of old manuals
out of my lab when PDF's became more convenient.?? My old microfiche may have gone out as
well.

Pete.





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Re: THS710 Repair and (future) upgrade to THS720P

 

But have had good luck doing calibration.
Craig,
I suppose you then have the software to do the calibration. Any chance you'd share it plus any instructions for configuration and use?

Raymond


Re: THS710 Repair and (future) upgrade to THS720P

 

Hi,

I found lots of documentation (not everything..) here:
The schematics (bottom sketchy link) show the attenuator as one single square, so no details on the relais or amplifier, but in the description of the circuit I found some info on the three relays.
On page 4 of this document:

Here in Spain Semana Santa (week before Easter) is a big thing, so postal services are down to 0% this week, so a lot of catching up to next week.
Anyway, as soon as the parts are here I will update this thread.

Un saludo,

Leo


Re: THS710 Repair and (future) upgrade to THS720P

 

Very interesting project. This model is my favorite for field use. I have not tried to do any repairs as I don¡¯t know of any board schematics. But have had good luck doing calibration. I have multiple models 710A,720A,730A and 720P. My field one most used is the 720A. Thanks for sharing your diagnostic and repair tasks. I have purchased cabinet repair parts in the past but not sure if Tek has anything available anymore. I have replaced the screen with some spare clear 2400 series display screen. It is a little smaller than original which is Lexan but makes for a nice clear viewing.
I don¡¯t use the probes originally provided as they are hard to get on and off the BNC and the HV P5102 are even harder to install and then remove.

Craig


Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

Brad Thompson
 

On 3/29/2018 1:35 AM, Dave Casey wrote:
Sounds interesting. Link?
Dave Casey
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Merchison Burke via Groups.Io <
merchison@...> wrote:

This guy sells drivers for many types of scanners including obsolete
scanners at a very reasonable price. I have an UMAX Astra 1200S scanner and
his driver works great with it. Not only that but the very same software
package (there is only one) works with all listed scanners. The list is
huge.

I am not connected with Hamrick except for the fact that I am a very happy
customer. Happy that I can use my old scanner with Win7.
Hello--

I'll second Merchison's enthusiastic comments-- this application (VueScan) is
one of the best software purchases I've ever made!

73--

Brad AA1IP


Re: P6046 Probe question

 

Thank you @DavidH. That answers my most important nagging question and
essentially concludes this inquiry. Thanks to everyone who helped.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:23 AM, David Hess <davidwhess@...> wrote:

The common mode input range of the P6046 is only 5 volts which becomes
50 volts when the x10 attenuator head is used. This is typical of
other high bandwidth low voltage active probes.

High voltage differential probes typically allow 240 volt AC line side
measurements so they support a common mode input voltage of at least
400 volts and usually several times that.

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:44:37 -0400, you wrote:

Thanks David. This is very educational. What range do you classify as low
voltage?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 9:38 AM, David Hess <davidwhess@...> wrote:

The P6046 is a low voltage differential probe and not intended for or
really suitable orapplications where isolation is required.
Essentially it is a high voltage differential probe with the matched
high voltage input attenuators absent.

Shorting one side and using it as a single ended probe completely
defeats what isolation that it does provide; it just becomes a low
voltage active probe when used like this. The schematic from Bob
Pease that I linked shows how to make one of these. 100 MHz for an
active probe may not seem fast but these are used where input
inpedance must be as large as possible.

Where the P6046 is useful is making low voltage measurements where the
oscilloscope and DUT (device under test) share a ground but the
measurement itself either needs to remove ground noise or is a
differential signal.



Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

 

If that is a reply related to ykochcal, yes

and if it could be determined to work in some useful to help scan the
microfiche maybe if you would be willing to donate and everyone could help
get it there, having two would make the effort to get them working worth
it?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anthony
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

Wow, I have that exact same scanner! I thought it was just dead, just
haven't gotten around to gutting it yet. Do you think I should try and use
it?


Re: P6046 Probe question

 

The common mode input range of the P6046 is only 5 volts which becomes
50 volts when the x10 attenuator head is used. This is typical of
other high bandwidth low voltage active probes.

High voltage differential probes typically allow 240 volt AC line side
measurements so they support a common mode input voltage of at least
400 volts and usually several times that.

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:44:37 -0400, you wrote:

Thanks David. This is very educational. What range do you classify as low
voltage?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 9:38 AM, David Hess <davidwhess@...> wrote:

The P6046 is a low voltage differential probe and not intended for or
really suitable orapplications where isolation is required.
Essentially it is a high voltage differential probe with the matched
high voltage input attenuators absent.

Shorting one side and using it as a single ended probe completely
defeats what isolation that it does provide; it just becomes a low
voltage active probe when used like this. The schematic from Bob
Pease that I linked shows how to make one of these. 100 MHz for an
active probe may not seem fast but these are used where input
inpedance must be as large as possible.

Where the P6046 is useful is making low voltage measurements where the
oscilloscope and DUT (device under test) share a ground but the
measurement itself either needs to remove ground noise or is a
differential signal.


Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

 

On 2018-03-29 1:49 AM, TomC wrote:
It's Vuescan by Ed Hamrick:

?
For completeness, there are a couple of other things I discovered
setting up my Fujitsu fi-4530C ADF scanner (Fujitsu makes high quality,
fast and compact ADF units that are often inexpensive on ebay):

* You may be able to install a 32 bit WinXP driver under 32 bit Win 7:

- this trick can't work on 64 bit Windows.

* A very effective way to use a scanner that has a 32 bit driver only is
VirtualBox. Enable the USB passthrough for the scanner device in
VirtualBox' guest settings. In this way I can run a Windows XP guest on
OS X and scan from any modern Mac, even though only a 32 bit Windows
driver is available. To do this, I use NAPS2 (and PaperScan for oversize
schematics). The Windows XP image is no longer available on the
modern.ie site but should be obtainable, uh, informally.

Just a couple of things to try if reviving a scanner with limited driver
options.

--Toby

Tom

On 3/28/2018 10:35 PM, Dave Casey wrote:
Sounds interesting. Link?

Dave Casey

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Merchison Burke via Groups.Io <
merchison@...> wrote:

This guy sells drivers for many types of scanners including obsolete
scanners at a very reasonable price. I have an UMAX Astra 1200S
scanner and
his driver works great with it. Not only that but the very same software
package (there is only one) works with all listed scanners. The list is
huge.

I am not connected with Hamrick except for the fact that I am a very
happy
customer. Happy that I can use my old scanner with Win7.

Merchison


Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

 

A commercial copying operation should be able to copy these rapidly and cheaply

Robin

On 29 Mar 2018, at 13:56, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

Once upon a time, I scanned a $20 bill on my scanner in
full subscanned resolution, and I got a humongous file, I think
it was 10 or 20 Mb. The resolution was astonishing! I could
see the individual ink dots, and the cell structure of the
paper used to make the bill.

I think it is very possible that you could scan the individual
sheets of microfische on a good scanner. You might need to do
something to make the lighting consistent.

I have a couple of boxes of fische... I think I will give it a
whirl.

-Chuck Harris

cnc_joker wrote:

The quality of images in most microfiche that I have used is quite poor. Perhaps using
a high resolution bed scanner would be sufficient. I have an Epson V700 scanner
that has real optical 4800 DPI resolution and 9600 DPI if you use sub-sampling. There
may be even higher resolution scanners that don't cost a lot of money. There are up to
14 page images across the 4 inches width of a microfiche. My scanner would get about
150 DPI (300 DPI sub-sampled) on a single page which should be good enough to get a
usable image.

Pete.


Re: P6046 Probe question

 

Thanks David. This is very educational. What range do you classify as low
voltage?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 9:38 AM, David Hess <davidwhess@...> wrote:

The P6046 is a low voltage differential probe and not intended for or
really suitable orapplications where isolation is required.
Essentially it is a high voltage differential probe with the matched
high voltage input attenuators absent.

Shorting one side and using it as a single ended probe completely
defeats what isolation that it does provide; it just becomes a low
voltage active probe when used like this. The schematic from Bob
Pease that I linked shows how to make one of these. 100 MHz for an
active probe may not seem fast but these are used where input
inpedance must be as large as possible.

Where the P6046 is useful is making low voltage measurements where the
oscilloscope and DUT (device under test) share a ground but the
measurement itself either needs to remove ground noise or is a
differential signal.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:26:37 -0700, you wrote:

Thank you everybody for the feedback so far. Sorry I have not responded
sooner. Just to be clear, my primary interest is in the isolation
characteristic of the differential probe as a safety precaution. I already
do a lot of things for lab safety... I have an isolation transformer and a
current limiter that I typically plug into. But, I also watched how Dave
on the EEV blog has recommended differential probes at the end of his video
() on how not to blow up your oscilloscope.
I'm not desperate for one. Between my current lab set up and my best
practices, I think I've got things pretty well covered. But, I occasionally
see the entire P6046 kit come up for sale and was wondering if it's
worthwhile for its isolation capabilities and if it's easily adapted into a
regular (CRO?) probe.




THS710 Repair and (future) upgrade to THS720P

 
Edited

Hi all,

My new project is the repair of a THS710 I bought broken at a Dutch secondhand website.
So far I found three problems:

The screen has a 1/2" black bar at the bottom of the screen and it is quite dim.
After removing the screen from the unit and opening the screen by undoing the small metal clips I found some cracks in the glass of the screen where the connections are.
So I know it has to be replaced when the time comes.
Since the screen is the most expensive part of the scope, I will wait ordering it until I managed to fix the other 2 problems.

The second problem is the Channel-1 attenuator.
When I connect a test signal to both channels, the Channel-2 does respond properly to the input sensitivity setting, but Channel-1 however, seems to skip some settings.
After taking the board from the scope and removing both metal covers from the input ceramics I found the following:
There are 3 relays per attenuator, the first one is the AC/DC selector, the second one is a 10x attenuator, and the third one is a 100x attenuator.
These two, in combination with a change of the amplifier gain, provide the 1-2-5 etc. attenuation of the input.

The relays used are the type who are Bi-Stable, double coil latch type, so they have two coils to change the position from 'Set' to "Reset', they are only energized for a short period to change the position of the relay, this to safe energy from the batteries.
A datasheet can be found here:

As it turned out, the second relay of Channel-1 was stuck in one position. (contacts burned together ??)
I removed the relay from the ceramic (again I used a bit of QuikChip) to avoid damage to the ceramic.
A test of the relay free from the scope showed that this was the case, both coils still OK (143 Ohm) , but the relay stuck in one position.
I ordered these:

Third problem: the battery is dead.
Not so weird for NiCad cells from 1996.
I found the scope only has a trickle charger circuit inside, so I found it more-or-less safe to change to NiMh replacements.
I do not have the external charger.

So for now I ordered the replacement relays and the battery cells.
Mouser no longer stock the original brand relays, but there are several brands that make the same voltage, layout, size and contact type relays, I ordered them from the Zettler brand. but also Panasonic does make them.

After I manage to fix these two problems I will order the screen.
On AliExpress they are quite expensive, but on eBay the prices are more reasonable. (though not cheap!)

Some pictures about the progress are here: /g/TekScopes/album?id=41029

To be continued, un saludo,

Leo


Re: P6046 Probe question

 

The P6046 is a low voltage differential probe and not intended for or
really suitable orapplications where isolation is required.
Essentially it is a high voltage differential probe with the matched
high voltage input attenuators absent.

Shorting one side and using it as a single ended probe completely
defeats what isolation that it does provide; it just becomes a low
voltage active probe when used like this. The schematic from Bob
Pease that I linked shows how to make one of these. 100 MHz for an
active probe may not seem fast but these are used where input
inpedance must be as large as possible.

Where the P6046 is useful is making low voltage measurements where the
oscilloscope and DUT (device under test) share a ground but the
measurement itself either needs to remove ground noise or is a
differential signal.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:26:37 -0700, you wrote:

Thank you everybody for the feedback so far. Sorry I have not responded sooner. Just to be clear, my primary interest is in the isolation characteristic of the differential probe as a safety precaution. I already do a lot of things for lab safety... I have an isolation transformer and a current limiter that I typically plug into. But, I also watched how Dave on the EEV blog has recommended differential probes at the end of his video () on how not to blow up your oscilloscope. I'm not desperate for one. Between my current lab set up and my best practices, I think I've got things pretty well covered. But, I occasionally see the entire P6046 kit come up for sale and was wondering if it's worthwhile for its isolation capabilities and if it's easily adapted into a regular (CRO?) probe.