Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
Hi Tom,
how much do you pay for a broken CRT?
Obviously, it's more valuable than a good one, because it takes a lot of time and skill to break it properly, in addition to the purchase price.
If you offer enough, I can break CRTs coming from 2213, 2232, 2235A, 2245A, 7904x2, all in working order.
Please let me know ASAP, before shortage.
I can destroy Philips, Hewlett, Metrix, Hameg and Schlumberger scopes too. My LeCroy has a LCD display, sorry.
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--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom Jobe" wrote: Hi Tom, Thank you for posting a nice summary of your progress, but there is something wrong here. Pin 12 on the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything inside that CRT unless I'm confused (which is very likely). I have several broken samples of that same CRT, and pin 12 comes into the CRT maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays against the side of one of the four glass rods that support the internal structure, and touches no metal that I can see. Later today I could post some pictures from my broken CRT collection. Pin 10 connects to the metal can the expansion mesh dome sits on. tom jobe... PS Maybe look at your -10 CRT and see where pin 12 goes internally? I don't have a broken -10 CRT to look at.
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Re: International mail rates USA -> China?
Dan,
I can speak for only Israel Post, because that is what I know. IsraelPost is an efficient and honest organization. Customer service is first-class. This applies to Priority or First-Class mail only. Theft or loss is basically unheard of, due to extremely stringent security procedures - a fact of life here.
Express Mail is a different story. Express Mail is NOT processed by IsraelPost, but by an independent 3rd-party subcontractor who won the bid - the circumstances behind the win remain highly suspicious. They are unaccountable to anyone, the service is atrocious, and any Israeli who has had to pay their arbitrary commissions on incoming parcels (horror stories of $75+ fees - not customs duties - on a returned smelly sweater forgotten on a previous trip) learns very smartly to forbid any future incoming parcels by this method.
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Re: 475 Triggering Issue -- Will recent 468 Triggering Issue Thread Help Me?
Hi David,
I sampled rear panel ch2 vertical signal per your suggestion. It's coming out at only 1/20th the signal true amplitude. So maybe R403 should be examined? However, a confounding symptom, occurs when I try 1v to 20v sine waves at 60hz with line triggering. I couldn't get a lock. no lock at any other freq. for line source. Another bad sign, which has presented itself since I started exercising all controls through full range...neither of the v/div controls will advance past 5v/div...no 10/20/50v positions possible on either channel. Is this op. error, or what? Ch 2 v/div control skirt illuminator is not lit. Just burned out, or is illuminator driven by other circuitry?
Stan
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--- In TekScopes@..., David wrote: I used the same military manual from Bama.
I had two reasons not to suggest that the tunnel diodes are the problem:
1. The common failure point for the symptoms does not implicate the tunnel diode part of the trigger circuit. External triggering and I would assume line triggering both work and neither of them go through U370 which could cause all of the problems.
2. The tunnel diodes are fragile and difficult to replace so fiddling with them if they are not definitely the problem is asking for trouble. :)
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:56:53 -0000, "stan_katz" wrote:
Hello Tom,
I will gladly avoid touching the tunnel diodes, and will start with David's suggestion. The only service manuals I have are from BAMA, which are the Army TM--- model manuals. Will these do, or can you point me in a better direction? BTW, Bert's post is a warning to me that the 475 has potentially unobtanium parts. Right now, Tucker has Tek tunnel diode kits for sale. Can you, or Bert, post the proper kit part number for my scope? I should buy a kit now if it's one of those listed at Tucker. Tom, I noticed my thanks for your input on my 3325 repair effort got cut. Let me thank you here.
Stan
--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom Miller" wrote:
If you do work on the tunnel diodes, be sure to use a heat sink right up against the diode body. Ge tunnel diodes are easily ruined with heat.
However, I think David's comments are more likely the issue. That is because of the external trigger working.
Do you have the correct service manual for your 475?
Regards, tom
----- Original Message ----- From: Bert Haskins To: TekScopes@... Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 475 Triggering Issue -- Will recent 468 Triggering Issue Thread Help Me?
On 01/25/2013 03:46 PM, stan_katz wrote:
I have an ancient 475 scope which works fine with an external trigger, but will not trigger on any of the internal sources. Should I start by reviewing the recent 468 triggering issue thread to get me going? If not, can anyone recommend a thread I should start with? Of course, I'd be delighted to receive help on this thread.
Stan
Probably not. Going from what I had on 465Bs the triggering problem is often that the tunnel diodes have changed in value. There are many! threads about this in the archives. It may be worth your time to try swapping the TDs from the B sweep section with the A section to see if things change. I had this problem come up when I was hunting for a process control network problem while working in factory in a different country. I swapped the TDs and the scope has been near perfect ever since. Go figure.
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Type 'Q' bridge calib. fixture
From Tim P (UK)
What is meant by 'external arms calibration box'
for the Type 'Q' plug-in ?
is it just 4 120 Ohm resistors in a bridge
formation ?
many thanks
Tim
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Local pawn shop has a 2215A in unknown electrical condition, good physical condition. What is a good price to offer for this scope? There are no returns and no guarantee as to the functionality of the scope. I think that they will let me power it up.
Thanks 73 Glenn WB4UIV
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Re: Tek 2445, 2445B for sale
Bob,
I would be very interested in those 'scopes.? I live in the San Fernando Valley and don't get out your way.? Is there some in between place we could meet?
Bob K6DDX 818 894-2887
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From: w6vy Subject: [TekScopes] Tek 2445, 2445B for sale To: TekScopes@... Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 8:13 AM
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I have two 2445's and one 2445B for sale for $150 (for all three) if anyone is interested. All are in working condition, hard copy 2445 manual and CD of the 2445B manual. Front covers with the 2445's, no cover for the 2445B. Pickup only in Moreno Valley, CA (Riverside area). Any interest please contact me off list.
Thanks
Bob
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
Yes, they were connected.
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They are the Ch1 and Ch2 analog signals to the Acq circuit.
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Tom
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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:22
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Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube - update
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Interesting, When you swapped the tube on the 2232 did you have the
2 flying 4pin leads connected to the top board? If they are unconnected the
display is all over the place. JC
--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom
Miller" wrote: > > Then why, when I installed the -00 tube into
the 2232 scope with no connection the pin 12, the display was completely
unstable when the beam moved around. The image size varied depending on where
the beam was and with focus changes. Very indicative of a floating element in
the tube, When I installed the diode, capacitor, and resistor on the board
just like in the 2215A and connected pin 12 to the -100 volts, everything
worked fine. > > I was thinking about connecting an external PS
to the pin 12 and seeing what effect varying the voltage on the mesh would
have but I tired of working on it. Maybe I'll go back and play with it. I'll
also take a look at Sphere's comments. > > Thanks for your
thoughts guys, > Tom > > > > ----- Original
Message ----- > From: chipbee40 > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:59 PM > Subject: [TekScopes]
Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update > >
> > > > I second Tom on this, the only difference
between the -10 version is a longer HT lead due to the updated multiplier
having a built in socket instead of a flying lead. I do have duff versions of
both tube and neither have the pin 12 connected. In the -00 as Tom says there
is an unattached 3cm wire, In the -10 the pin is used as a support for one of
the glass rods, no other connection. I've seen 2230's and 32's of all flavors
with both versions of tube interchanged, the only way you can't do it is if
the scope has the updated multiplier (requires a longer HT lead) and even then
I've seen the HT leads modified. The missing components referred to do allow
the use of a 465 CRT See
about half way down the page. JC > > --- In TekScopes@..., "Tom
Jobe" wrote: > > > > Hi Tom, > > Thank you for
posting a nice summary of your progress, but there is something wrong
here. > > Pin 12 on the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything
inside that CRT unless I'm confused (which is very likely). > > I
have several broken samples of that same CRT, and pin 12 comes into the CRT
maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays against the side of one of the four glass
rods that support the internal structure, and touches no metal that I can
see. > > Later today I could post some pictures from my broken CRT
collection. > > Pin 10 connects to the metal can the expansion mesh
dome sits on. > > tom jobe... > > PS Maybe look at your -10
CRT and see where pin 12 goes internally? > > I don't have a broken
-10 CRT to look at. > > > > > > > >
----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Miller > > To:
TekScopes@...
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:22 AM > > Subject:
Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update > >
> > > > > > > > This is a follow-up to
my repair of a 2232 scope with a bad CRT, part number 154-0861-10. >
> > > I was able to find, for a very good price, a bad 2215A that
seemed to have a good tube. It turns out that the 2215A uses a 154-0861-00
CRT. This tube brings the mesh electrode out on pin 12 of the CRT socket. The
-10 tube either does not have a mesh or it is internally connected to some
other element. In any event, the -00 tube must have the mesh connected to a
-100 volt bias. Operating with the mesh un-connected will cause all sorts of
strange behavior such as the display size changing with position control
changes. > > > > The good news is that there is track on
the PC board to support the components needed to make this negative supply. In
essence, a high speed diode (UF4007) is connected to the anode of CR955, C853.
The cathode connects to this point. A 0.1/200 volt disk capacitor connects the
anode of this diode to ground. A 470K/ 1/4 watt resistor goes across the
capacitor. Run a wire from this point, (anode of the UF4007) to pin 12 of the
-00 CRT. Now the new tube will work fine. A careful study of the power supply
in this area will reveal that there is unused track needed to do this
mod. > > > > Good luck and email to the list if any
problems. > > > > As a side note, if I can find a way to
re-weld the connection from pin 5 to the astig electrode inside the tube, I
will regain a working tube. Anyone have a welding laser? :) > >
> > Regards, > > Tom > > > > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Miller
> > To: TekScopes@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:01 PM > > Subject:
Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > >
> That's what I read somewhere, that the -00 tube was for the early units.
The one in my scope is the -10 and it does not have the mesh. At least it is
not brought out on pin 12 like in the 2215A. The HV multiplier has a short
flexible lead and connector.. > > > > I scored a "for
parts" 2215A today for mostly shipping cost so we will see. If necessary, I
can add in the -100 volt supply. > > > > Anyway, off to the
archives. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:
Tom Jobe > > To: TekScopes@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:23 PM > > Subject:
Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > I think
the CRT for your 2232 is identical to the one in a 2215A (154-0861-00), unless
you have one of those late 2232's that has the shorter HV lead on the CRT
(154-0861-10). The HV multiplier changed on the last 2232's. It did not have a
flexible lead coming out of the multiplier, the CRT HV lead plugged directly
into it on the front side. The Tekscopes archive has some discussion about the
later "dash 10" version of the 2232 CRT. > > I do believe that all of
those 154-0861-xx CRT's use the "expansion mesh" (or whatever it was
called). > > tom jobe... > > > > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:
Tom Miller > > To: TekScopes@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01 PM > > Subject:
Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube [1
Attachment] > > > > > > > > >
> It looks like the tube has a factory defect where they failed to weld the
pin 5 lead to the strap going to the astig element. I wonder if there is any
way to externally weld it? Induction welding, laser, other? I can't use high
voltage as there is no access to the element. I attached a picture showing the
fault. If I tap the tube, the screen comes into focus. I verified all the
connections externally. > > > > Next question, > >
> > Somewhere I read that a tube from a 2215A would work. However,
that tube uses a mesh electrode whereas the 2232 tube does not. The only
difference that I can see is they connect the mesh (pin 12) to a -100 volt
supply. > > > > I need to find a junker 2232 with a good
tube. > > > > > > Regards, > >
Tom > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Miller > > To: TekScopes@...
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:48 PM > > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > > > > > > > > Looks like the
same tube is used in the following scopes: > > 2213A, 2215A, 2220,
2230, 2235, 2235L, 2236 > > > > > > Tom >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Miller
> > To: TekScopes@...
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:34 PM > > Subject:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > > > > > > I received a 2232 scope with
the UPS obligatory damage. Something in the tube is loose and the display is
way out of focus. A very light tap on the tube seems to cause an internal
connection to make and focus comes in very briefly. > > > >
Does anyone have a tube for the 2232 scope? Part number 154-0861-00 or
-10 > > > > > > Regards, > > Tom >
> >
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
That note on Sphere's site is interesting. The only comment I have is he
recommends using a 1N4004 diode. They are way too slow for use in the inverter
circuit for the -100 supply. The slow Trr will increase inverter current and
thus heat. Use a UF4007 instead.
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Thanks for the comments,
Tom
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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:59
PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube - update
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I second Tom on this, the only difference between the -10 version
is a longer HT lead due to the updated multiplier having a built in socket
instead of a flying lead. I do have duff versions of both tube and neither
have the pin 12 connected. In the -00 as Tom says there is an unattached 3cm
wire, In the -10 the pin is used as a support for one of the glass rods, no
other connection. I've seen 2230's and 32's of all flavors with both versions
of tube interchanged, the only way you can't do it is if the scope has the
updated multiplier (requires a longer HT lead) and even then I've seen the HT
leads modified. The missing components referred to do allow the use of a 465
CRT See
about half way down the page. JC
--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom
Jobe" wrote: > > Hi Tom, > Thank you for posting a nice
summary of your progress, but there is something wrong here. > Pin 12 on
the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything inside that CRT unless I'm
confused (which is very likely). > I have several broken samples of that
same CRT, and pin 12 comes into the CRT maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays
against the side of one of the four glass rods that support the internal
structure, and touches no metal that I can see. > Later today I could
post some pictures from my broken CRT collection. > Pin 10 connects to
the metal can the expansion mesh dome sits on. > tom jobe... > PS
Maybe look at your -10 CRT and see where pin 12 goes internally? > I
don't have a broken -10 CRT to look at. > > > >
----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:22 AM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update > >
> > > This is a follow-up to my repair of a 2232 scope
with a bad CRT, part number 154-0861-10. > > I was able to find,
for a very good price, a bad 2215A that seemed to have a good tube. It turns
out that the 2215A uses a 154-0861-00 CRT. This tube brings the mesh electrode
out on pin 12 of the CRT socket. The -10 tube either does not have a mesh or
it is internally connected to some other element. In any event, the -00 tube
must have the mesh connected to a -100 volt bias. Operating with the mesh
un-connected will cause all sorts of strange behavior such as the display size
changing with position control changes. > > The good news is that
there is track on the PC board to support the components needed to make this
negative supply. In essence, a high speed diode (UF4007) is connected to the
anode of CR955, C853. The cathode connects to this point. A 0.1/200 volt disk
capacitor connects the anode of this diode to ground. A 470K/ 1/4 watt
resistor goes across the capacitor. Run a wire from this point, (anode of the
UF4007) to pin 12 of the -00 CRT. Now the new tube will work fine. A careful
study of the power supply in this area will reveal that there is unused track
needed to do this mod. > > Good luck and email to the list if any
problems. > > As a side note, if I can find a way to re-weld the
connection from pin 5 to the astig electrode inside the tube, I will regain a
working tube. Anyone have a welding laser? :) > >
Regards, > Tom > > > > ----- Original Message
----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:01 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > Hi Tom, > > That's what I read somewhere, that
the -00 tube was for the early units. The one in my scope is the -10 and it
does not have the mesh. At least it is not brought out on pin 12 like in the
2215A. The HV multiplier has a short flexible lead and connector.. >
> I scored a "for parts" 2215A today for mostly shipping cost so we
will see. If necessary, I can add in the -100 volt supply. > >
Anyway, off to the archives. > > Thanks, > Tom >
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Jobe
> To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:23 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > Hi Tom, > I think the CRT for your 2232 is identical
to the one in a 2215A (154-0861-00), unless you have one of those late 2232's
that has the shorter HV lead on the CRT (154-0861-10). The HV multiplier
changed on the last 2232's. It did not have a flexible lead coming out of the
multiplier, the CRT HV lead plugged directly into it on the front side. The
Tekscopes archive has some discussion about the later "dash 10" version of the
2232 CRT. > I do believe that all of those 154-0861-xx CRT's use the
"expansion mesh" (or whatever it was called). > tom jobe... >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >
From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube [1 Attachment] >
> > > > It looks like the tube has a factory
defect where they failed to weld the pin 5 lead to the strap going to the
astig element. I wonder if there is any way to externally weld it? Induction
welding, laser, other? I can't use high voltage as there is no access to the
element. I attached a picture showing the fault. If I tap the tube, the screen
comes into focus. I verified all the connections externally. > >
Next question, > > Somewhere I read that a tube from a 2215A
would work. However, that tube uses a mesh electrode whereas the 2232 tube
does not. The only difference that I can see is they connect the mesh (pin 12)
to a -100 volt supply. > > I need to find a junker 2232 with a
good tube. > > > Regards, > Tom > >
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To:
TekScopes@...
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:48 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > > Looks like the same tube is used in the following
scopes: > 2213A, 2215A, 2220, 2230, 2235, 2235L, 2236 > >
> Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom
Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:34 PM > Subject: [TekScopes]
Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > > >
> I received a 2232 scope with the UPS obligatory damage. Something in
the tube is loose and the display is way out of focus. A very light tap on the
tube seems to cause an internal connection to make and focus comes in very
briefly. > > Does anyone have a tube for the 2232 scope? Part
number 154-0861-00 or -10 > > > Regards, >
Tom >
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Interesting, When you swapped the tube on the 2232 did you have the 2 flying 4pin leads connected to the top board? If they are unconnected the display is all over the place. JC
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--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom Miller" wrote: Then why, when I installed the -00 tube into the 2232 scope with no connection the pin 12, the display was completely unstable when the beam moved around. The image size varied depending on where the beam was and with focus changes. Very indicative of a floating element in the tube, When I installed the diode, capacitor, and resistor on the board just like in the 2215A and connected pin 12 to the -100 volts, everything worked fine.
I was thinking about connecting an external PS to the pin 12 and seeing what effect varying the voltage on the mesh would have but I tired of working on it. Maybe I'll go back and play with it. I'll also take a look at Sphere's comments.
Thanks for your thoughts guys, Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: chipbee40 To: TekScopes@... Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:59 PM Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
I second Tom on this, the only difference between the -10 version is a longer HT lead due to the updated multiplier having a built in socket instead of a flying lead. I do have duff versions of both tube and neither have the pin 12 connected. In the -00 as Tom says there is an unattached 3cm wire, In the -10 the pin is used as a support for one of the glass rods, no other connection. I've seen 2230's and 32's of all flavors with both versions of tube interchanged, the only way you can't do it is if the scope has the updated multiplier (requires a longer HT lead) and even then I've seen the HT leads modified. The missing components referred to do allow the use of a 465 CRT See about half way down the page. JC
--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom Jobe" wrote: > > Hi Tom, > Thank you for posting a nice summary of your progress, but there is something wrong here. > Pin 12 on the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything inside that CRT unless I'm confused (which is very likely). > I have several broken samples of that same CRT, and pin 12 comes into the CRT maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays against the side of one of the four glass rods that support the internal structure, and touches no metal that I can see. > Later today I could post some pictures from my broken CRT collection. > Pin 10 connects to the metal can the expansion mesh dome sits on. > tom jobe... > PS Maybe look at your -10 CRT and see where pin 12 goes internally? > I don't have a broken -10 CRT to look at. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@... > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update > > > > > This is a follow-up to my repair of a 2232 scope with a bad CRT, part number 154-0861-10. > > I was able to find, for a very good price, a bad 2215A that seemed to have a good tube. It turns out that the 2215A uses a 154-0861-00 CRT. This tube brings the mesh electrode out on pin 12 of the CRT socket. The -10 tube either does not have a mesh or it is internally connected to some other element. In any event, the -00 tube must have the mesh connected to a -100 volt bias. Operating with the mesh un-connected will cause all sorts of strange behavior such as the display size changing with position control changes. > > The good news is that there is track on the PC board to support the components needed to make this negative supply. In essence, a high speed diode (UF4007) is connected to the anode of CR955, C853. The cathode connects to this point. A 0.1/200 volt disk capacitor connects the anode of this diode to ground. A 470K/ 1/4 watt resistor goes across the capacitor. Run a wire from this point, (anode of the UF4007) to pin 12 of the -00 CRT. Now the new tube will work fine. A careful study of the power supply in this area will reveal that there is unused track needed to do this mod. > > Good luck and email to the list if any problems. > > As a side note, if I can find a way to re-weld the connection from pin 5 to the astig electrode inside the tube, I will regain a working tube. Anyone have a welding laser? :) > > Regards, > Tom > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > > > > Hi Tom, > > That's what I read somewhere, that the -00 tube was for the early units. The one in my scope is the -10 and it does not have the mesh. At least it is not brought out on pin 12 like in the 2215A. The HV multiplier has a short flexible lead and connector.. > > I scored a "for parts" 2215A today for mostly shipping cost so we will see. If necessary, I can add in the -100 volt supply. > > Anyway, off to the archives. > > Thanks, > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Jobe > To: TekScopes@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > > > > Hi Tom, > I think the CRT for your 2232 is identical to the one in a 2215A (154-0861-00), unless you have one of those late 2232's that has the shorter HV lead on the CRT (154-0861-10). The HV multiplier changed on the last 2232's. It did not have a flexible lead coming out of the multiplier, the CRT HV lead plugged directly into it on the front side. The Tekscopes archive has some discussion about the later "dash 10" version of the 2232 CRT. > I do believe that all of those 154-0861-xx CRT's use the "expansion mesh" (or whatever it was called). > tom jobe... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube [1 Attachment] > > > > > It looks like the tube has a factory defect where they failed to weld the pin 5 lead to the strap going to the astig element. I wonder if there is any way to externally weld it? Induction welding, laser, other? I can't use high voltage as there is no access to the element. I attached a picture showing the fault. If I tap the tube, the screen comes into focus. I verified all the connections externally. > > Next question, > > Somewhere I read that a tube from a 2215A would work. However, that tube uses a mesh electrode whereas the 2232 tube does not. The only difference that I can see is they connect the mesh (pin 12) to a -100 volt supply. > > I need to find a junker 2232 with a good tube. > > > Regards, > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@... > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > > > > > Looks like the same tube is used in the following scopes: > 2213A, 2215A, 2220, 2230, 2235, 2235L, 2236 > > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@... > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:34 PM > Subject: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > > > > I received a 2232 scope with the UPS obligatory damage. Something in the tube is loose and the display is way out of focus. A very light tap on the tube seems to cause an internal connection to make and focus comes in very briefly. > > Does anyone have a tube for the 2232 scope? Part number 154-0861-00 or -10 > > > Regards, > Tom >
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Re: 7587 Nuvistor Tetrode Substitutions in the Tektronix 184 Time-Mark Generator
Thanks for the link. It makes for interesting reading. At the very end, complete conversion kits are mentioned for specific instruments like the Tektronix 500 series CA amplifier and the Hewlett-Packard HP500 VTVM. Teledyne used the cascode configuration with internal bias since they were replacing triodes. They had their own high voltage JFETs which simplifies the design although high voltage enhancement or depletion mode MOSFETs could be used now. High voltage high frequency bipolars would be useful if they were available. In my case, I can just lower the anode supply voltage. On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:47:33 -0000, "Ed Breya" <edbreya@...> wrote: I just stumbled onto this blast from the past while looking for other info, and immediately remembered this discussion. It looks like Teledyne had the direct substitution problem solved in the 1970s. Hope this helps with cascode ideas - I don't know if the high voltage JFETs are available anymore.
)_Misc_Test_Equipment/FETRON_Solid_State_Vacuum_Tube_Replacement.pdf
Ed
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
Then why, when I installed the -00 tube into the 2232 scope with no
connection the pin 12, the display was completely unstable when the beam moved
around. The image size varied depending on where the beam was and with focus
changes. Very indicative of a floating element in the tube, When I installed the
diode, capacitor, and resistor on the board just like in the 2215A and connected
pin 12 to the -100 volts, everything worked fine.
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I was thinking about connecting an external PS to the pin 12 and seeing
what effect varying the voltage on the mesh would have but I tired of working on
it. Maybe I'll go back and play with it. I'll also take a look at Sphere's
comments.
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Thanks for your thoughts guys,
Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:59
PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube - update
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I second Tom on this, the only difference between the -10 version
is a longer HT lead due to the updated multiplier having a built in socket
instead of a flying lead. I do have duff versions of both tube and neither
have the pin 12 connected. In the -00 as Tom says there is an unattached 3cm
wire, In the -10 the pin is used as a support for one of the glass rods, no
other connection. I've seen 2230's and 32's of all flavors with both versions
of tube interchanged, the only way you can't do it is if the scope has the
updated multiplier (requires a longer HT lead) and even then I've seen the HT
leads modified. The missing components referred to do allow the use of a 465
CRT See
about half way down the page. JC
--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom
Jobe" wrote: > > Hi Tom, > Thank you for posting a nice
summary of your progress, but there is something wrong here. > Pin 12 on
the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything inside that CRT unless I'm
confused (which is very likely). > I have several broken samples of that
same CRT, and pin 12 comes into the CRT maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays
against the side of one of the four glass rods that support the internal
structure, and touches no metal that I can see. > Later today I could
post some pictures from my broken CRT collection. > Pin 10 connects to
the metal can the expansion mesh dome sits on. > tom jobe... > PS
Maybe look at your -10 CRT and see where pin 12 goes internally? > I
don't have a broken -10 CRT to look at. > > > >
----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:22 AM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update > >
> > > This is a follow-up to my repair of a 2232 scope
with a bad CRT, part number 154-0861-10. > > I was able to find,
for a very good price, a bad 2215A that seemed to have a good tube. It turns
out that the 2215A uses a 154-0861-00 CRT. This tube brings the mesh electrode
out on pin 12 of the CRT socket. The -10 tube either does not have a mesh or
it is internally connected to some other element. In any event, the -00 tube
must have the mesh connected to a -100 volt bias. Operating with the mesh
un-connected will cause all sorts of strange behavior such as the display size
changing with position control changes. > > The good news is that
there is track on the PC board to support the components needed to make this
negative supply. In essence, a high speed diode (UF4007) is connected to the
anode of CR955, C853. The cathode connects to this point. A 0.1/200 volt disk
capacitor connects the anode of this diode to ground. A 470K/ 1/4 watt
resistor goes across the capacitor. Run a wire from this point, (anode of the
UF4007) to pin 12 of the -00 CRT. Now the new tube will work fine. A careful
study of the power supply in this area will reveal that there is unused track
needed to do this mod. > > Good luck and email to the list if any
problems. > > As a side note, if I can find a way to re-weld the
connection from pin 5 to the astig electrode inside the tube, I will regain a
working tube. Anyone have a welding laser? :) > >
Regards, > Tom > > > > ----- Original Message
----- > From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:01 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > Hi Tom, > > That's what I read somewhere, that
the -00 tube was for the early units. The one in my scope is the -10 and it
does not have the mesh. At least it is not brought out on pin 12 like in the
2215A. The HV multiplier has a short flexible lead and connector.. >
> I scored a "for parts" 2215A today for mostly shipping cost so we
will see. If necessary, I can add in the -100 volt supply. > >
Anyway, off to the archives. > > Thanks, > Tom >
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Jobe
> To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:23 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > Hi Tom, > I think the CRT for your 2232 is identical
to the one in a 2215A (154-0861-00), unless you have one of those late 2232's
that has the shorter HV lead on the CRT (154-0861-10). The HV multiplier
changed on the last 2232's. It did not have a flexible lead coming out of the
multiplier, the CRT HV lead plugged directly into it on the front side. The
Tekscopes archive has some discussion about the later "dash 10" version of the
2232 CRT. > I do believe that all of those 154-0861-xx CRT's use the
"expansion mesh" (or whatever it was called). > tom jobe... >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >
From: Tom Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube [1 Attachment] >
> > > > It looks like the tube has a factory
defect where they failed to weld the pin 5 lead to the strap going to the
astig element. I wonder if there is any way to externally weld it? Induction
welding, laser, other? I can't use high voltage as there is no access to the
element. I attached a picture showing the fault. If I tap the tube, the screen
comes into focus. I verified all the connections externally. > >
Next question, > > Somewhere I read that a tube from a 2215A
would work. However, that tube uses a mesh electrode whereas the 2232 tube
does not. The only difference that I can see is they connect the mesh (pin 12)
to a -100 volt supply. > > I need to find a junker 2232 with a
good tube. > > > Regards, > Tom > >
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Miller > To:
TekScopes@...
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:48 PM > Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > >
> > > Looks like the same tube is used in the following
scopes: > 2213A, 2215A, 2220, 2230, 2235, 2235L, 2236 > >
> Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom
Miller > To: TekScopes@...
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:34 PM > Subject: [TekScopes]
Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube > > > >
> I received a 2232 scope with the UPS obligatory damage. Something in
the tube is loose and the display is way out of focus. A very light tap on the
tube seems to cause an internal connection to make and focus comes in very
briefly. > > Does anyone have a tube for the 2232 scope? Part
number 154-0861-00 or -10 > > > Regards, >
Tom >
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
Hi Tom,
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Take a look at the schematic for the 2215A, the CRT page. It shows pin 12
connected to a negative bias generator off the 100 volt winding. In my tube,
there is a lead running to the front of the tube but is obscured from view.
Maybe that was a change Tek made before changing the part number?
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In the 2232, the PCB track is still there but no components installed and
no wire to pin 12. In the 2215A, there is a wire to pin 12.
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I'll put some more photos up later as I re-installed the bad tube into the
2215A chassis just to double check that the problem went with the tube. It did.
I moved the CRT photo to the photos section where you can see how Tek failed to
spotweld the electrode to the pin. I wonder if they honor warranty? LOL.
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Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:32
PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube - update
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Hi Tom,
Thank you for posting a nice summary of your progress,
but there is something wrong here.
Pin 12 on the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything
inside that CRT unless I'm confused (which is very likely).
I have several broken samples of that same CRT, and pin 12
comes into the CRT maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays against the side of one
of the four glass rods that support the internal structure, and touches no
metal that I can see.
Later today I could post some pictures from my broken CRT
collection.
Pin 10 connects to the metal can?the expansion mesh
dome?sits on.
tom jobe...
PS Maybe look at your -10 CRT and see where pin 12 goes
internally?
I?don't have a broken -10 CRT to look at.
?
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:22
AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube - update
?
This is a follow-up to my repair of a 2232 scope with a bad CRT, part
number 154-0861-10.
?
I was able to find, for a very good price, a bad 2215A that seemed to
have a good tube. It turns out that the 2215A uses a 154-0861-00 CRT. This
tube brings the mesh electrode out on pin 12 of the CRT socket. The -10 tube
either does not have a mesh or it is internally connected to some other
element. In any event, the -00 tube must have the mesh connected to a -100
volt bias. Operating with the mesh un-connected will cause all sorts of
strange behavior such as the display size changing with position control
changes.
?
The good news is that there is track on the PC board to support the
components needed to make this negative supply. In essence, a high speed
diode (UF4007) is connected to the anode of CR955, C853. The cathode
connects to this point. A 0.1/200 volt disk capacitor connects the anode of
this diode to ground. A 470K/ 1/4 watt resistor goes across the capacitor.
Run a wire from this point, (anode of the UF4007) to pin 12 of the -00 CRT.
Now the new tube will work fine. A careful study of the power supply in this
area will reveal that there is unused track needed to do this mod.
?
Good luck and email to the list if any problems.
?
As a side note, if I can find a way to re-weld the connection from pin
5 to the astig electrode inside the tube, I will regain a working tube.
Anyone have a welding laser? :)
?
Regards,
Tom
?
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:01
PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part
2232 CRT and source for a tube
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Hi Tom,
?
That's what I read somewhere, that the -00 tube was for the early
units. The one in my scope is the -10 and it does not have the mesh. At
least it is not brought out on pin 12 like in the 2215A.? The HV
multiplier has a short flexible?lead and connector..
?
I scored a "for parts" 2215A today for mostly shipping cost so we
will see. If necessary, I can add in the -100 volt supply.
?
Anyway, off to the archives.
?
Thanks,
Tom
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part
2232 CRT and source for a tube
?
Hi Tom,
I think the CRT for your 2232 is identical to the one
in a 2215A (154-0861-00), unless you have one of those late 2232's that
has the shorter HV lead?on the CRT (154-0861-10). The HV multiplier
changed on the last 2232's. It did not have a flexible lead coming out
of the multiplier, the CRT HV lead plugged directly into it on the front
side. The Tekscopes archive has some discussion?about the later
"dash 10" version of the 2232 CRT.
I?do believe that all of those 154-0861-xx CRT's
use the "expansion mesh" (or whatever it was called).
tom jobe...
?
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need
part 2232 CRT and source for a tube [1 Attachment]
?
It looks like the tube has a factory defect where they failed to
weld the pin 5 lead to the strap going to the astig element. I wonder
if there is any way to externally weld it? Induction welding, laser,
other? I can't use high voltage as there is no access to the element.
I attached a picture showing the fault. If I tap the tube, the screen
comes into focus. I verified all the connections externally.
?
Next question,
?
Somewhere I read that a tube from a 2215A would work. However,
that tube uses a mesh electrode whereas the 2232 tube does not. The
only difference that I can see is they connect the mesh (pin 12) to a
-100 volt supply.
?
I need to find a junker 2232 with a good tube.
?
?
Regards,
Tom
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013
9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need
part 2232 CRT and source for a tube
?
?
Looks like the same tube is used in the following scopes:
2213A, 2215A, 2220, 2230, 2235, 2235L,
2236
?
?
Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 18,
2013 9:34 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Need
part 2232 CRT and source for a tube
?
I received a 2232 scope with the UPS obligatory damage.
Something in the tube is loose and the display is way out of
focus. A very light tap on the tube seems to cause an internal
connection to make and focus comes in very briefly.
?
Does anyone have a tube for the 2232 scope? Part number
154-0861-00 or -10
?
?
Regards,
Tom
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
I second Tom on this, the only difference between the -10 version is a longer HT lead due to the updated multiplier having a built in socket instead of a flying lead. I do have duff versions of both tube and neither have the pin 12 connected. In the -00 as Tom says there is an unattached 3cm wire, In the -10 the pin is used as a support for one of the glass rods, no other connection. I've seen 2230's and 32's of all flavors with both versions of tube interchanged, the only way you can't do it is if the scope has the updated multiplier (requires a longer HT lead) and even then I've seen the HT leads modified. The missing components referred to do allow the use of a 465 CRT See about half way down the page. JC
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--- In TekScopes@..., "Tom Jobe" wrote: Hi Tom, Thank you for posting a nice summary of your progress, but there is something wrong here. Pin 12 on the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything inside that CRT unless I'm confused (which is very likely). I have several broken samples of that same CRT, and pin 12 comes into the CRT maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays against the side of one of the four glass rods that support the internal structure, and touches no metal that I can see. Later today I could post some pictures from my broken CRT collection. Pin 10 connects to the metal can the expansion mesh dome sits on. tom jobe... PS Maybe look at your -10 CRT and see where pin 12 goes internally? I don't have a broken -10 CRT to look at.
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Miller To: TekScopes@... Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
This is a follow-up to my repair of a 2232 scope with a bad CRT, part number 154-0861-10.
I was able to find, for a very good price, a bad 2215A that seemed to have a good tube. It turns out that the 2215A uses a 154-0861-00 CRT. This tube brings the mesh electrode out on pin 12 of the CRT socket. The -10 tube either does not have a mesh or it is internally connected to some other element. In any event, the -00 tube must have the mesh connected to a -100 volt bias. Operating with the mesh un-connected will cause all sorts of strange behavior such as the display size changing with position control changes.
The good news is that there is track on the PC board to support the components needed to make this negative supply. In essence, a high speed diode (UF4007) is connected to the anode of CR955, C853. The cathode connects to this point. A 0.1/200 volt disk capacitor connects the anode of this diode to ground. A 470K/ 1/4 watt resistor goes across the capacitor. Run a wire from this point, (anode of the UF4007) to pin 12 of the -00 CRT. Now the new tube will work fine. A careful study of the power supply in this area will reveal that there is unused track needed to do this mod.
Good luck and email to the list if any problems.
As a side note, if I can find a way to re-weld the connection from pin 5 to the astig electrode inside the tube, I will regain a working tube. Anyone have a welding laser? :)
Regards, Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Miller To: TekScopes@... Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube
Hi Tom,
That's what I read somewhere, that the -00 tube was for the early units. The one in my scope is the -10 and it does not have the mesh. At least it is not brought out on pin 12 like in the 2215A. The HV multiplier has a short flexible lead and connector..
I scored a "for parts" 2215A today for mostly shipping cost so we will see. If necessary, I can add in the -100 volt supply.
Anyway, off to the archives.
Thanks, Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jobe To: TekScopes@... Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube
Hi Tom, I think the CRT for your 2232 is identical to the one in a 2215A (154-0861-00), unless you have one of those late 2232's that has the shorter HV lead on the CRT (154-0861-10). The HV multiplier changed on the last 2232's. It did not have a flexible lead coming out of the multiplier, the CRT HV lead plugged directly into it on the front side. The Tekscopes archive has some discussion about the later "dash 10" version of the 2232 CRT. I do believe that all of those 154-0861-xx CRT's use the "expansion mesh" (or whatever it was called). tom jobe...
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Miller To: TekScopes@... Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube [1 Attachment]
It looks like the tube has a factory defect where they failed to weld the pin 5 lead to the strap going to the astig element. I wonder if there is any way to externally weld it? Induction welding, laser, other? I can't use high voltage as there is no access to the element. I attached a picture showing the fault. If I tap the tube, the screen comes into focus. I verified all the connections externally.
Next question,
Somewhere I read that a tube from a 2215A would work. However, that tube uses a mesh electrode whereas the 2232 tube does not. The only difference that I can see is they connect the mesh (pin 12) to a -100 volt supply.
I need to find a junker 2232 with a good tube.
Regards, Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Miller To: TekScopes@... Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube
Looks like the same tube is used in the following scopes: 2213A, 2215A, 2220, 2230, 2235, 2235L, 2236
Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Miller To: TekScopes@... Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: [TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube
I received a 2232 scope with the UPS obligatory damage. Something in the tube is loose and the display is way out of focus. A very light tap on the tube seems to cause an internal connection to make and focus comes in very briefly.
Does anyone have a tube for the 2232 scope? Part number 154-0861-00 or -10
Regards, Tom
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Re: TDS-524A no trace need help
Thanks for your message,
I will try to answer as much as I can: -the menus and graphics have no problem -the full self test from the menu passes ok -SPC passes ok -reset executes but no help -autoset works as it set the correct values to display the probe compensation signal -the measurement values when active are correct(i.e. frequency, voltage, etc.) so I think the acquisition is ok.
I am troubleshooting the unit with the help of the 520 service manual which has same architecture. As far as I understood from the description of the schematic in the manual, the text and the waveforms use separate memory planes and chips (8 bit for text and 16 bit for wfm).
Regards
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--- In TekScopes@..., "iw0uwl" wrote:
Dear forumers,
I need help for my TDS-524A showing no trace on any channel. Recap and board wash performed succesfully time ago. Self test is OK, no error in the log. I am pretty sure it triggers properly because the "T" symbol on screen moves according to the signal. I am thinking a video RAM chip may be defective and I replaced 2 of them without result. There are 8 ram chips related to waveform display.
Hope someone would like to offer some hint on where to investigate.
Many thanks in advance to all of you.
Enrico
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
It was in the attachments area. I created a new directory in the photos
section and put it there.
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I'll add more info later.
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Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:42
AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube - update
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On 1/27/2013 10:41 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > > > No Mark, I
did not get photos yet. I still need to open it up when I > run through
the calibration and will take a few photos then. > I did put up a shot
of the defect in the CRT. > Regards, > Tom
Tom,
I
must have missed that. What folder did you put the pic in? I can't seem to
find it in the photo's section.
Thanks, Mark
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - update
Hi Tom,
Thank you for posting a nice summary of your progress,
but there is something wrong here.
Pin 12 on the 154-0861-00 CRT is not connected to anything
inside that CRT unless I'm confused (which is very likely).
I have several broken samples of that same CRT, and pin 12
comes into the CRT maybe 30 mm and then stops. It lays against the side of one
of the four glass rods that support the internal structure, and touches no metal
that I can see.
Later today I could post some pictures from my broken CRT
collection.
Pin 10 connects to the metal can?the expansion mesh
dome?sits on.
tom jobe...
PS Maybe look at your -10 CRT and see where pin 12 goes
internally?
I?don't have a broken -10 CRT to look at.
?
?
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:22
AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube - update
?
This is a follow-up to my repair of a 2232 scope with a bad CRT, part
number 154-0861-10.
?
I was able to find, for a very good price, a bad 2215A that seemed to
have a good tube. It turns out that the 2215A uses a 154-0861-00 CRT. This
tube brings the mesh electrode out on pin 12 of the CRT socket. The -10 tube
either does not have a mesh or it is internally connected to some other
element. In any event, the -00 tube must have the mesh connected to a -100
volt bias. Operating with the mesh un-connected will cause all sorts of
strange behavior such as the display size changing with position control
changes.
?
The good news is that there is track on the PC board to support the
components needed to make this negative supply. In essence, a high speed diode
(UF4007) is connected to the anode of CR955, C853. The cathode connects to
this point. A 0.1/200 volt disk capacitor connects the anode of this diode to
ground. A 470K/ 1/4 watt resistor goes across the capacitor. Run a wire from
this point, (anode of the UF4007) to pin 12 of the -00 CRT. Now the new tube
will work fine. A careful study of the power supply in this area will reveal
that there is unused track needed to do this mod.
?
Good luck and email to the list if any problems.
?
As a side note, if I can find a way to re-weld the connection from pin 5
to the astig electrode inside the tube, I will regain a working tube. Anyone
have a welding laser? :)
?
Regards,
Tom
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:01
PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part 2232
CRT and source for a tube
?
Hi Tom,
?
That's what I read somewhere, that the -00 tube was for the early
units. The one in my scope is the -10 and it does not have the mesh. At
least it is not brought out on pin 12 like in the 2215A.? The HV
multiplier has a short flexible?lead and connector..
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I scored a "for parts" 2215A today for mostly shipping cost so we will
see. If necessary, I can add in the -100 volt supply.
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Anyway, off to the archives.
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Thanks,
Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:23
PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part
2232 CRT and source for a tube
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Hi Tom,
I think the CRT for your 2232 is identical to the one in
a 2215A (154-0861-00), unless you have one of those late 2232's that has
the shorter HV lead?on the CRT (154-0861-10). The HV multiplier
changed on the last 2232's. It did not have a flexible lead coming out of
the multiplier, the CRT HV lead plugged directly into it on the front
side. The Tekscopes archive has some discussion?about the later "dash
10" version of the 2232 CRT.
I?do believe that all of those 154-0861-xx CRT's
use the "expansion mesh" (or whatever it was called).
tom jobe...
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013
5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need part
2232 CRT and source for a tube [1 Attachment]
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It looks like the tube has a factory defect where they failed to
weld the pin 5 lead to the strap going to the astig element. I wonder if
there is any way to externally weld it? Induction welding, laser, other?
I can't use high voltage as there is no access to the element. I
attached a picture showing the fault. If I tap the tube, the screen
comes into focus. I verified all the connections externally.
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Next question,
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Somewhere I read that a tube from a 2215A would work. However, that
tube uses a mesh electrode whereas the 2232 tube does not. The only
difference that I can see is they connect the mesh (pin 12) to a -100
volt supply.
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I need to find a junker 2232 with a good tube.
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Regards,
Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013
9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Need
part 2232 CRT and source for a tube
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Looks like the same tube is used in the following scopes:
2213A, 2215A, 2220, 2230, 2235, 2235L,
2236
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Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013
9:34 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Need part
2232 CRT and source for a tube
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I received a 2232 scope with the UPS obligatory damage.
Something in the tube is loose and the display is way out of focus.
A very light tap on the tube seems to cause an internal connection
to make and focus comes in very briefly.
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Does anyone have a tube for the 2232 scope? Part number
154-0861-00 or -10
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Regards,
Tom
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Re: Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube - 4xx
On 01/27/2013 10:41 AM, Tom Miller
wrote:
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No Mark, I did not get photos yet. I still need to open
it up when I run through the calibration and will take a
few photos then.
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I did put up a shot of the defect in the CRT.
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Regards,
Tom
----- Original Message
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Sent: Sunday,
January 27, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] Need part 2232 CRT and source for a tube -
update
?Tom,
Most excellent! Did you take any pictures of the mod?
Mark
I would like to question the differences between the 22xx and the
465x CRTs.
Mainly because I have a few spares on these ( 465x) and, of course,
as the clock keeps ticking
the supply will continue to shrink.
Any ideas?
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Re: TDS-524A no trace need help
If the video RAM was bad, I would expect it to affect the on screen menus and graphics, not just the trace. It's odd that it passes the self test. Have you run the full self test from the test menu? Have you tried resetting the factory defaults? Does it still pass SPC?
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--- In TekScopes@..., "iw0uwl" wrote: Dear forumers,
I need help for my TDS-524A showing no trace on any channel. Recap and board wash performed succesfully time ago. Self test is OK, no error in the log. I am pretty sure it triggers properly because the "T" symbol on screen moves according to the signal. I am thinking a video RAM chip may be defective and I replaced 2 of them without result. There are 8 ram chips related to waveform display.
Hope someone would like to offer some hint on where to investigate.
Many thanks in advance to all of you.
Enrico
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Re: 7587 Nuvistor Tetrode Substitutions in the Tektronix 184 Time-Mark Generator
I just stumbled onto this blast from the past while looking for other info, and immediately remembered this discussion. It looks like Teledyne had the direct substitution problem solved in the 1970s. Hope this helps with cascode ideas - I don't know if the high voltage JFETs are available anymore.
)_Misc_Test_Equipment/FETRON_Solid_State_Vacuum_Tube_Replacement.pdf
Ed
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--- In TekScopes@..., David wrote: What I think is happening is the control grid circuit is rectifying the positive input peaks to set the bias. A JFET replacement would operate in the same way although I may have to change the grid bias resistor or in the worst case, add a paralleled resistor and capacitor for source biasing.
Vacuum tube design is before my time so I am just having fun reverse engineering. The time mark outputs which work fine do most of what I need.
The screen grid series resistors are 27K and connect to the 125 volt anode supply so the currents are all about 1.8 milliamps which is well under the 3.6 milliamp maximum. That makes the total cathode current less than half of the 20 milliamp maximum at least on the 20 MHz amplifier. The 50 Mhz and 100 MHz amplifiers operate with self biased grid voltages closer to ground so their anode current should be higher. On later units like mine, the screen grid voltage of oscillator V10 is fixed by a zener diode at about 52 volts.
None of the carbon composition resistors I checked were out of tolerance. Of course, everything up to the 100 MHz output *does* work.
The 200 MHz doubler at least sort of works but the output looks low and distorted to me. I may try replacing the germanium diodes with 1N270s or RF schottky diodes. The only information I have on the 152-0075-00 diodes Tektronix used is from the Tektronix parts book.
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:44:49 -0000, "Ed Breya" wrote:
Wow - that means the grid currents must be over -100 uA to get that much on 100k grid leak resistors. I don't recall what the screens were hooked to, but I think you should calculate the screen currents too, to see the total cathode currents.
If they only used 5 mA or so plate current, you can easily replicate that with modest JFET and cascode NPN current.
Ed
--- In TekScopes@..., David wrote:
I added a 10 ohm current shunt to the anode circuit of V20, the 20 MHz amplifier, and used it to test all of the tubes. The anode currents varied from 4.8 to 5.7 milliamps, the gate voltages varied from -10.3 to -12.6 volts, and the screen grid voltages varied from 72.2 to 76.0 volts except for one 7587 which had a screen voltage of 63.5 volts for some reason.
That one also had the highest anode current but not the highest grid voltage. I don't know if that is significant.
I can get 2N5950 JFETs and MPSH11 NPNs cheap at the moment so I will start off with them.
On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:06:30 -0000, "Ed Breya" wrote:
You may want to try swapping tubes from the other spots too, although it seems they're all biased for the same operating conditions, so should wear at the same rate - but if they are only on when needed for their specific function, then it all depends on the history of use. I think the only one that's always on then, would be the 10 MHz oscillator, so it should have the most wear.
I looked up the 7587 and see that it's rated for 20 mA max cathode current, but there were no charts showing what it should be near zero grid bias - unless the grid current gets pretty high, it doesn't seem that it will make much into 100k. It would be interesting to see what it is if you measure it and the actual plate currents.
I think your cascode version with a JFET and an NPN would be best, since you can then assure cutoff by pulling the base to ground. The double-JFET form won't positively cut off unless you can pull the gate negative, making it more complicated. You will have to watch out for the voltage ratings of the NPN to make sure it can handle the cutoff conditions.
I'd recommend around +15V or so for the bases (via small R so they won't oscillate on their own), and about +25V for the collector supply. Those should work with many types of VHF JFETs and small signal RF NPNs. For parts I'd recommend something like 2N5109 or MPSH10 for the NPN, and a J300 with around 15-25 mA Idss.
Ed
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Re: Tek 2445, 2445B for sale
The scopes have been spoken for. Thanks Bob
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