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Re: Bias batteries in 7S14

Dennis Tillman
 

I have two of these units. One has a bad battery
but the other one is still working fine after 25 years!
Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: vollumscope [mailto:perls@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:39 AM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Bias batteries in 7S14


Howdy all-

With all the talk of TEK samplers and the mention of the 7S14, I
wonder what are we 7S14 owners to do these days when it comes to
replacing the bias batteries in the 7S14?

I gather that the merc oxide batteries originally spec'ed are no
longer available. Is the 1.35V merc oxide batt voltage that strict a
spec in the 7S14?

Thoughts?


-Vollumscope




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Re: Coax for Calibration Instruments

Stan & Patricia Griffiths
 

Hi Bill,

I generally use just about any random piece of RG58 that is 2-6 feet long
for these applications. It really does not seem to make a lot of
difference. It will make more difference when you calibrate scopes above
100 MHz bandwidth.

Stan
w7ni@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Smith" <ko4nrbs@...>
To: "Tektronix Group" <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] Coax for Calibration Instruments


The manual for the Tektronix 453 oscilloscope calls
for a specific length of coax between the calibration
instruments and the oscilloscope, i.e. 42 inches. I
noticed in the manual for the 191 Constant Amplitiude
Signal Generator instuctions to use RG8A/U coax. I
have been told RG213/U is the direct replacement for
this coax now. Is this a fact?

What do you all use?
Thanks,
Bill

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Re: Bias batteries in 7S14

Scott Newell
 

At 02:43 PM 3/4/2004 , Michael Dunn wrote:
Does anyone have a digitized manual...?
Yes.


newell


Re: Bias batteries in 7S14

Michael Dunn
 

Does anyone have a digitized manual...?

At 12:45 PM -0600 2004/3/4, Scott Newell wrote:
At 12:39 PM 3/4/2004 , vollumscope wrote:
With all the talk of TEK samplers and the mention of the 7S14, I
wonder what are we 7S14 owners to do these days when it comes to
replacing the bias batteries in the 7S14?
Funny, I was going to ask if there were any symptoms of weak cells.
Anything to watch out for?


Re: Bias batteries in 7S14

Scott Newell
 

At 12:39 PM 3/4/2004 , vollumscope wrote:
With all the talk of TEK samplers and the mention of the 7S14, I
wonder what are we 7S14 owners to do these days when it comes to
replacing the bias batteries in the 7S14?
Funny, I was going to ask if there were any symptoms of weak cells.
Anything to watch out for?


newell


Bias batteries in 7S14

 

Howdy all-

With all the talk of TEK samplers and the mention of the 7S14, I
wonder what are we 7S14 owners to do these days when it comes to
replacing the bias batteries in the 7S14?

I gather that the merc oxide batteries originally spec'ed are no
longer available. Is the 1.35V merc oxide batt voltage that strict a
spec in the 7S14?

Thoughts?


-Vollumscope


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National Test Equipment, Inc.
760-639-1700
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Coax for Calibration Instruments

Bill Smith
 

The manual for the Tektronix 453 oscilloscope calls
for a specific length of coax between the calibration
instruments and the oscilloscope, i.e. 42 inches. I
noticed in the manual for the 191 Constant Amplitiude
Signal Generator instuctions to use RG8A/U coax. I
have been told RG213/U is the direct replacement for
this coax now. Is this a fact?

What do you all use?
Thanks,
Bill

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BNC dust-caps

Tim Phillips
 

Hi, all;

Where do those brightly-colored BNC dust-caps come from?
Seen a lot on e-bay and I could use some for some stuff
I have in storage.
many thanks
Tim.


Re: More "crispy display" ranting......

jeans
 

This link should work
<>.

Don Black.

Jeff W wrote:

I came across this 7904 earlier today on the 'bay:


ViewItem&item=3801633404&category=45005

Hmm, looks like an OK deal if it worked, as implied. But then as I
read thru the text, I came across this statement:

"Powers up with a crisp disp., no modules to test the unit.
Guaranteed to power up."

Huh? sez me. Crisp Display? Anyone that knows anything about 7K
mainframes knows that without plugins, you have NO display, let alone
a "nice crisp display".

So since he has no modules, how does he know it has a "crisp display"?

Enquiring minds need to know!

Jeff


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Re: More "crispy display" ranting......

Brian Goldsmith
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff W"

I came across this 7904 earlier today on the 'bay:


ViewItem&item=3801633404&category=45005

Hmm, looks like an OK deal if it worked, as implied. But then as I
read thru the text, I came across this statement:

"Powers up with a crisp disp., no modules to test the unit.
Guaranteed to power up."

Huh? sez me. Crisp Display? Anyone that knows anything about 7K
mainframes knows that without plugins, you have NO display, let alone
a "nice crisp display".

So since he has no modules, how does he know it has a "crisp display"?

Enquiring minds need to know!

**** Ask the seller,if nothing else it will make him realise that he is
,"just a little dodgey".

Brian Goldsmith.




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Re: Manual for Philips PM3200

Andreas Troschka
 

For manuals and schematics about Philips equipment ask to Toine PD0MHS:



73s de Andreas IK2WQI





sreaves22655 wrote:

Hello,
I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone have a manual for a Philips PM3200 10MHz
scope? I need the schematic as I have a problem with the vertical amplifier (clips when positioned 1 div from top
of the screen (looks like its clamped)
Thanks
Sam
W3OHM
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R7103

Andreas Troschka
 

This one is a TEKTRONIX R7103 1GHz analog scope, the rackmount version
of the 7104.
I do own both bought during the last year.

I've seen really seldom one, and this seems to be in really nice
condition (riatla says) and it is calibrated.
I don't think somebody will pay more than 500US$ (reserve price!) for it
but remember you have also to add the plugins.
To be honest you should push in at least a 7A29(also opt.04) and a 7B10/15.
But I'd add also 7A24/26 to have the 1MOhm input lower BW alternatives
to the 50Ohm of the 1GHz VAmp plugin, and some double timebase of
choice. Pay attention on the 3! slots instead of 4 of the 7104!

Anyway #3800875191 is the reference.

Remember to let you tell about the status of the hard to find
Microchannel CRT!

I already own one so I'm not personally interested on this scope.

Andreas.


Re: 7S/7T Sampling System

Craig Sawyers
 

Hi Stan

One thing that I did not see in the explanation below is what the risetime
of the S4 is when the delay line is added. Usually the added
input C due to
a delay line degrades the risetime significantly which is why there is an
optional delay line provided by Tek to use for this purpose when using any
of the S1, S2, S4 type of heads.
PPL measured 20ps as the rise time of the initial event, which exceeds spec
of course. But remember that the 500ps delay line they used is only around
4" of rigid air line, not the 50 feet of flexible from the 7M11. This
severely lenthens the leading edge with a specified 175ps rise, in spite of
all the neat tricks that Tek do with compensation components.

Also not mentioned is that the S4, when introduced in 1969, was
probably the
fastest risetime available in ANY scope at 25 ps. It is easy to critique
someone's "state of the art" engineering 35 years later, calling it crude.
Well, I don't think they were knocking older samplers. The S6 was
introduced in 1971, and the review had high praise for the *overall*
performance of that particular head, even though the rise time is slower at
28ps. Aslo the HP1430A,B and C were in the same review, and the HP1340A was
introduced in 1966 with the B and C in 1972. These also give much better
settling than the S4, even though the "A" version predates it by three
years. They measured 29ps for the A version and 22ps for the C.

That review was dated February 1989.

However, in spite of what they say, it depends on what you are measuring; if
you are looking at only the leading edge, then the S4 is fine. But if
circuit behaviour is being looked at out to the ns time domain it might not
be the best choice.


Craig


Re: Tunnel Diode for 1S1

Stan & Patricia Griffiths
 

Hi Gang,

I certainly know the part is good. It is the correct firing current which
means that it will probably bias correctly in the circuit. The capacitance
is quite a lot greater than the original part so it may not switch as fast
but it will probably switch OK. Depending on exactly where the tunnel diode
in question is in the 1S1 circuit will depend on how well the 1S1 will work
with a 152-0125-00 in place of a 152-0214-00. I don't know because I have
never tried this before but I would not hesitate to try it.

Stan
w7ni@...

PS I sell these TD's in my Parts Shop also:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrin Conniff" <djconniff@...>
To: "Greyhawk" <greyhawkeng@...>
Cc: <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tunnel Diode for 1S1


Hello Greyhawk,
That auction is being conducted by Stan & Patricia Griffiths, w7ni, so you
know it is quality product.
Good luck.
Dsrrin

Greyhawk <greyhawkeng@...> wrote:
Some FYI... The Auction On Tunnel Diodes Is Here...


Greyhawk

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregor Lasser
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:20
Subject: [TekScopes] Tunnel Diode for 1S1


Hello!
I'm new to the list and I have quite a trouble with a 1S1 Sampling
plug-in I
bought at ebay! While I was cleaning the plug-in I found a Tunnel Diode
with
one of its "legs" broken off. I unsoldered it just to see that the
second
leg was also defective. Does anyone know where to find this tunnel
diode? It
is D304 in the 1S1, Manual says:
D304 152-0214-00 TD252 4,7mA . Is there any source for this diode, or
is
there a possible substitution?
Thank you all in advance
Gregor Lasser


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Re: 647 cal fixture on ebay

Craig Sawyers
 

And there are/were MANY more.
What Tom says about baud rate is quite correct. I was using e-mail at home
while we were starting up a business back in 1985. Used an acoustic modem -
sort of a pair of sucker pads that fitted on the telephone handset - which
chugged along at 300 baud on a good day, and storage was measured in bytes -
not even kilobytes. The text-messagers nowadays think they invented
acronym-speak - but they are really just responding to communicating in a
medium with a strict limit on the number of characters transmitted, viewed
on a tiny cell-phone handset, just the same problem as we had in the early
to mid '80s.

If anyone is interested, there is a very complete list here


I think my favourite, just remembered in browsing that list, is BOHICA (bend
over, here it comes again).

Craig


Tektronix Wire

jdpetrzelka
 

Been repairing some 500 series plug-ins lately, between the circuit
boards they use mechanical connectors, ribbon cables and some type of
coax with little brass eyelets at the ends as plugs, the coax looks
about like RG174 but something tells me it isn't. In the parts book it
calls out the eyelets but I don't see a refrence to the coax, does
anyone know what it is? Or where I can find some, I need about 10 -12
inches for a SC503. Thanks in advance for any info, Jon P.


Re: Is it advisable to turn intensity down when scope is idle (but displaying a signal) to preserve CRT?

 

That seems to be a matter of taste. For some people, if it is not retina
burning, it is not on. I had hell of a time with test department at the last
company. They knew that intensity should not be set high and that I will
yell when I see the setting and still it was always set high and when I
enter test, they would reach for intensity knob, whether scope was on or
off; kind of Pavlovian reflex.

Regards

Miroslav Pokorni

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...>
To: <tekscopes@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Is it advisable to turn intensity down when scope
is idle (but displaying a signal) to preserve CRT?


Should the scope intensity be turned down to some degree or all the way
during this programming time to avoid phosphor degradation, or perhaps
should the scope be turned off during these intervals?
I usually turn down the intensity on the scope right down if I'm doing
something else for a while. But then again, I usually run at a fairly low
brightness anyway - there simply doesn't seem to be the need to crank it
up
too far; you just need a clear trace, not a retina burning event.

Craig


Scope 2225 manual

beanrocco
 

Hi,

Does anyone have a PDF version of the operator and/or service manual
and/or calibration procedure for a 2225,50Mhz scope? If so, can you
give me the link for download or could you send it to me by e-mail in
three separate one.

Regards,

P.S. I already try the usual LOGSA,etc..

Benoit


7S/7T Sampling System

Stan & Patricia Griffiths
 

One thing that I did not see in the explanation below is what the risetime
of the S4 is when the delay line is added. Usually the added input C due to
a delay line degrades the risetime significantly which is why there is an
optional delay line provided by Tek to use for this purpose when using any
of the S1, S2, S4 type of heads.

Also not mentioned is that the S4, when introduced in 1969, was probably the
fastest risetime available in ANY scope at 25 ps. It is easy to critique
someone's "state of the art" engineering 35 years later, calling it crude.
Of course it was crude by today's standards! I think a more significant
measure of how good a design is, is the answer to the question, "How many
years did it remain a viable product for the manufacturer?" Of course it is
not quite THAT simple since some very good products are terminated
artificially early just because the manufacturer decides to do it. In any
case the S4 was in production from 1969 through 1989 (21 years) and the only
other product mentioned in the note below was the SD24 (1989 to 2001, which
is only 13 years). If the SD24 appears in a Tek Catalog past 2001, I could
not find it. 21 years is a LONG time for ANY product to be continuously
marketed in the world of test equipment. It CAN'T be as bad as it sounds or
it would never have lasted 21 years!

Stan
w7ni@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers@...>
To: "TekScopes Yahoo Group" <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] 7S/7T Sampling System


While on the sampling gear subject, could someone tell me more about S4.
I
have been told that construction of S4 is quite terrible, so
sampling pulses
blow by on the bridge is significant and low level signals can be drown
in
that noise. I gentleman who told me about that, said that he
almost scrapped
amplifier that he was building, but power meter showed no noise,
so he went
out and found S6, which confirmed that amplifier was all right.

The S4 has marginally higher bandwidth, but because of that rumor I
stayed
away from it and opted for S6.
Well, there are some reports on the Picosecond Pulse labs website that
they
produced during the 80's and early 90's with tests on sampling systems.
They found that there was a problem with the S4:

"The old Tek S4 sampler had the worst settling time performance. It
showed
a gradual rise in 4ns to a max overshoot of 5.5% followed by an
exponential
decay back to the 100% level requiring an additional 25ns."

"We found that the 200ps wide strobe caused a unique problem for the S4.
When a tunnel diode pulser was mounted directly on the input connector of
the S4, the leakage of the 200ps strobe was enough to cause false
triggering
of the TD. The falsely triggered TD pulse would then enter the S4's diode
bridge during the 200ps on time. The resulting CRT waveform was quite
unstable, with sometimes a negative risetime display. The simple cure for
this is to introduce a delay line between the pulse generator and the
sampler. The delay must be greater than the strobe pulse duration. Thus
for the S4 a 500ps, 7mm (diameter) air line was used."

"Close inspection revealed that the S4 response had a very fast rise time,
with flat response for 200ps. At 200ps it has an abrupt +7% step. Then
the
waveform continues to rise up to the 105.5% level in about 4ns. It then
slowly recovered back to the 100% level in 25ns. The Tek spec is <=10%
and
some units used by the author in the past have been as bad as 10%."

By contrast, the S6 gets a much better write up - a mere single paragraph
that says it it much better than the S4. The other head that gets a
really
good write up by PPL is the SD24. The benchmark for their tests was the
Hypres superconducting Josephson Junction sampler, which boasted a pulse
response of 5ps (70GHz).

Craig