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Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.
Albert,
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I can only think I'm not interpreting what I'm seeing on the 'scope screen correctly. I'm probing TP286 (output of TTH) with Sweep Range set to 50nS, 5nS/div in sequential mode. I have the viewing timebase set for 5uS/div. The signal I see at high scan rates is similar to waveform capture 11 in the 7T11 and 7T11A manuals except that the top of the bright zone starts ABOVE 0V, and the bottom of it is about 5.6V below there. The picture of this signal manuals however clearly has the top of this signal at 0V with nothing above I can't reconcile what I see with the descriptions in the manual that say the TTH ramp starts at 0V and goes more negative until stopped by the slewing ramp comparator. How can the TTH ramp voltage ever be +ve in sequential mode???? I could possibly understand the bright zone moving down as you turn the Time Position controls CCW if the individual trace line in the brightened zone represents the value of the TTH ramp after it has been stopped by the slewing ramp comparator for this sample (I now think this is the case). But I cannot see how it can end up above zero! If you turn the Scan control fully CCW, you can actually see the voltage ramp down and then jump back up. D. -----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: 23 January 2012 19:27 To: TekScopes@... Subject: [TekScopes] Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated. Hi David, Our start and stop terminology is confusing since both are stop levels of the THT. The "start" is the stop level corresponding to the left most dot at the trace (start of the trace), the "stop" is the stop level corresponding to the right most dot of the trace (end of the trace). The start level of the Miller circuit is always the same, like you say. About 0 V. But the stop level for first dot of the trace varies from 0 V to -5 V if you rotate Position from fully CW to fully CCW. At the 50 ns range, the stop level of the last dot in the trace is 5 V more negative (at 5 ns/div), 2 V more negative (at 2 ns/div) and so on. The Slow Ramp Inverter (which is responsible for the level shifts) sends an opposite level change to the horizontal amplifier input to cancel the shift. Also at faster time/div the horizontal gain is increased to cancel the decrease in TTH level differences. At CCW position all curves at the TTH test point have the ramp from 0 V to -5 V in common. Hence you will see this ramp very bright. Albert
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Re: Spare knobs for 24xx?
zogher
Hi,
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Update. Got them from Q Service Electronics, though they only had 3. Still need one more (if anyone has one). Thanks, Chris --- In TekScopes@..., "zogher" <zogher@...> wrote:
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Re: Full-time opening for a community leader for oscilloscope site
Hi Patrick I'm very interested ,if live in Argentine is an options.
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Regards Pastor Mayor. --- In TekScopes@..., "pman_sic" <pmanns24@...> wrote:
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Re: Displayed signal becomes compressed when position is moved to the left
David,
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Is the display also distorted in store mode? If so, it might be a loose connection to one of the horizontal deflection pins of the CRT. --John Gord --- In TekScopes@..., "david_s5y" <david_s5@...> wrote:
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Re: Power supply problem with Tek 2220
amxcoder
This is a great story. I just repaired a 465 with a power supply problem and it was just an open filter cap that was bad. I remember looking at the high frequency output from the oscillator but never thought to measure that frequency.
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WOW Michael --- In TekScopes@..., "tom jobe" <tomjobe@...> wrote:
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Re: Total beginner with newly acquired 475 with issues
Hello and a warm welcome to the group,
just to amend to Arden's excellent recommendation. We all came across this before - one shall start with some basic checks of the power supply first. It seems you already started with that... Now, to no surprise, a high percentage of failed Oscilloscopes results from a degraded power supply - it may be shortened rails caused by dead tantalum caps, electrolytic caps which degraded so no filtering results, broken zeners or drifted resistors etc. My friendly hint would be: After you dived into the service manual and you have taken care for the basic test equipment and for your personal safety in particular - start with verifying your 475's power supply rails. Check them for ripple, voltage readings and load regulation. The service manual provides details. Then report back to this group and we shall 'help ya out'. There are some very experienced and bright people here and I have learned a lot from them. The successful repair of a Tektronix unit or similar equipment is a very rewarding feeling. The debug work is a great learning experience and it can also hone your general troubleshooting skills, which is useful for your professional job. Cheers, Magnus |
Displayed signal becomes compressed when position is moved to the left
Hi,
On a tek 2230 in non-store mode, the displayed signal becomes compressed when position is moved to the left. So if I have a 5K square wave displayed at .1 Ms the first 1/2 of the wave will be 60% the width if I move it to the right. It also looks like brighter. +==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+ ---___---___--- <moved to right> +--- Short and brighter. V ==___---___--- What needs adjusting |
Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.
Albert
Hi David,
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Our start and stop terminology is confusing since both are stop levels of the THT. The "start" is the stop level corresponding to the left most dot at the trace (start of the trace), the "stop" is the stop level corresponding to the right most dot of the trace (end of the trace). The start level of the Miller circuit is always the same, like you say. About 0 V. But the stop level for first dot of the trace varies from 0 V to -5 V if you rotate Position from fully CW to fully CCW. At the 50 ns range, the stop level of the last dot in the trace is 5 V more negative (at 5 ns/div), 2 V more negative (at 2 ns/div) and so on. The Slow Ramp Inverter (which is responsible for the level shifts) sends an opposite level change to the horizontal amplifier input to cancel the shift. Also at faster time/div the horizontal gain is increased to cancel the decrease in TTH level differences. At CCW position all curves at the TTH test point have the ramp from 0 V to -5 V in common. Hence you will see this ramp very bright. Albert
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Re: Nuvistors.
It's not hum - the mainframe supplies regulated +75 DC for
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plugin heaters. It's Coarse Balance. The beautifully simple circuit Tek used is only possible with 8393's. Dave Wise -----Original Message----- |
Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.
Well - not quite fully clockwise, but almost.
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Now to the chase - I gave up on the calibration instructions on page 5-33 of the 7T11A manual, and went back to the original instructions in the the 7T11 manual on pages 5-10 and 5-11 - these worked a lot better for me. Now the trace is pretty much where it should be at most time/div settings and only needs a minor tweak of the FINE time position control to get a trace on screen The only problem I'm have is that all the adjustments seem to interact horribly - e.g. front panel Position and Sweep Cal are both affected by the Servo Zero and Slewing Ramp adjustments and also affect those internal adjustments - yack. Thye net result is that now the trace is pretty much where it should be at most time/div settings and only needs a minor tweak of the FINE time position control to get a trace on screen, but it's still moving around somewhat as time/div is turned :-( I don't understand how the TTH sweep voltage start point is affected by the front panel Time Position controls as they connect into the circuitry around U572D on the Analog Logic board. When Q294 in the TTH Miller circuit conducts, my dumb logic says that the TTH ramp voltage will reset to zero, but clearly I would seem to be missing something crucial, because adjusting the Time Position controls DOES appear to change the start voltage for the TTH ramp as measured at TP286, but I can't work out how :-( Regards, David Partridge -----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge Sent: 22 January 2012 19:18 To: TekScopes@... Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated. Yes, the measurements ware taken with both the coarse and fine "time position" controls fully clockwise, but that gives me something extra to check on tomorrow. Regards, David Partridge -----Original Message----- From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: 22 January 2012 16:33 To: TekScopes@... Subject: [TekScopes] Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated. Hi David, The start and stop levels should differ about 5 V. With start I (and you also I think) actually mean the stop level when the trace is at the left position. On the test scope you look at vertical position of the horizontal lines. It depends of Time Position. The graph 11 is for fully CW. If you rotate to fully CCW then the whole patter shift 5 V lower, from -5 V to -10 V. Albert
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Re: Tekscopes at the Computer History Museum
Or was it the predecessor 8008? I went to work for a company in '75 and everything there was TTL. No microprocessors except one of the engineers was clacking away on a teletype terminal that was connected to a chassis box with a circuit board mounted on top. My recollection was it was an 8008 but it certainly could have been an 8080.
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Arden .......It was around 1971 that the 8080 came out and the world was about to really change. ..... |
Re: Power supply problem with Tek 2220
tom jobe
Hi Tan,
This morning I remembered about an interesting 2235 repair that was done by a very crafty person by the name of Irwin Zosa during 2007 and 2008. Irwin lives in your part of the world in the Philippines where it is almost as hot as in Singapore. His basic problem was the same as yours, the 2235 would shut itself down with a thermal problem. There was not much interest in his 2235 problem on Tekscopes at that time, so the email exchanges we had went off group as he worked his way through the problem. Once he had the problem solved, he posted a nice summary of his findings to the Tekscopes group. Irwin's repair summary is in message number 36518 and it was posted on Jan 6, 2009. He found a number of problems as he went along, but his final discovery might amaze you. It sure amazed me because I would have never found it! tom jobe... PS I will paste in Irwin's 2235 repair summary below to save you the trouble of getting it from the Tekscopes Message archive. Hello to all: Way back in the first quarter of 2007, I had this problem of my 2235 shutting down after a few minutes from switching it ON. After a lot of interaction from forum members I finally nailed down the problem. Here is a brief summary of this process: First, I checked all the voltages according to the service manual and they were OK. I also checked the ESR of the capacitors and they read good but the unit being about twenty years old or so, I decided to replace the secondary caps (C960, C961, C962, C963, C968, C970) with ultra-low ESR, 105-degree C Nichicons. I could not find 840uF units so I used 1000uF. The problem still did not go away although the length of time-to-shutdown increased. I also replaced the FET switcher Q9070 (IRF710)with a higher rated device (IRF840). I then replaced Q946 and Q947 with TIP41 units. At every change that I made, slight improvements were observed. I also replaced R912 (357 Ohms)with a 390 Ohm part to increase the shutdown threshold of this 2235. Then I replaced the secondary rectifiers CR954, CR955 (MR814), CR956, CR957 (MR812), CR960, CR961, CR962, CR963 (MR812). The replacements that I used were the MUR160 ultra-fast rectifiers. All of these were not done "shotgun" style and in the exact order as described but rather, followed logical steps of checking one section at a time. I even thought of thermal runaway because T944, T948, and Q9070 would heat up so much (really hot!). I also noticed early on that the frequency of the pre-regulator section (U930) was about 72KHz and in the service manual it is listed as about 60KHz. It suddenly dawned on me to try to reduce the operating frequency of this section so I replaced R919 and now it is running at 60KHz. The excessive heat has gone and no more shutdown. I tried to run the scope for about half a day and still no shutdown. This 2235 has all of the power supply improvements already installed from the factory (but why was the pre-regulator section running at 70KHz ?). I would like to thank the forum members who gave their insights. Special thanks goes to Tom Jobe, who stayed with me all the way in this repair project. He took the time to take measurement readings for me, gave his analyses, and even offered parts that I may need for free. At some point I was considering another brand of oscilloscope but I held on to this (even keeping it in storage for almost a year because of this problem) because from my research, these TEK scopes, during their time, were among the best. I think they still are. |
Sold: Tek 067-1039-01 TM500 Pattern Generator
The unit has been sold.
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On 1/22/2012 1:04 PM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
Unknown, untested, looks to be in decent shape. --
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Re: Tekscopes at the Computer History Museum
Tom,
in 82 we redesigned/copied the SWTPC Computer on EURO-cards (100x160mm) and sold it here in germany. Last year, by chance i found one of our constructed/manufactured computers in a dumster ;-) Now it's in my store for the next 100 years ;-) Peter ============================ The next microprocessor I had was the SWTPC 6800. I really liked doing assembly with the Motorola instruction set. ?
Tom
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Re: Tekscopes at the Computer History Museum
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI also think he is right about the 8080. I do remember the 4004 and for a
short time the 8008 chip sets. We were looking at them to use in an IFF
transponder.
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In '84, I bought an 8080 chip for $200. That was a lot of money then. Also,
a 1702 EPROM. Just 256 bytes.
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And 2102 static ram chips with 1x1k bits ( I think).
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The next microprocessor I had was the SWTPC 6800. I really liked doing
assembly with the Motorola instruction set.
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I know Tek used a lot of the Mot CPUs in many different products.
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Fun, fun, fun! :)
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Manual for PG508?
Resent due to a mailer error.
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