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Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.

 

Albert,

I can only think I'm not interpreting what I'm seeing on the 'scope screen correctly.

I'm probing TP286 (output of TTH) with Sweep Range set to 50nS, 5nS/div in sequential mode. I have the viewing timebase set for 5uS/div. The signal I see at high scan rates is similar to waveform capture 11 in the 7T11 and 7T11A manuals except that the top of the bright zone starts ABOVE 0V, and the bottom of it is about 5.6V below there. The picture of this signal manuals however clearly has the top of this signal at 0V with nothing above

I can't reconcile what I see with the descriptions in the manual that say the TTH ramp starts at 0V and goes more negative until stopped by the slewing ramp comparator.

How can the TTH ramp voltage ever be +ve in sequential mode???? I could possibly understand the bright zone moving down as you turn the Time Position controls CCW if the individual trace line in the brightened zone represents the value of the TTH ramp after it has been stopped by the slewing ramp comparator for this sample (I now think this is the case). But I cannot see how it can end up above zero!

If you turn the Scan control fully CCW, you can actually see the voltage ramp down and then jump back up.

D.

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Albert
Sent: 23 January 2012 19:27
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.

Hi David,

Our start and stop terminology is confusing since both are stop levels of the THT. The "start" is the stop level corresponding to the left most dot at the trace (start of the trace), the "stop" is the stop level corresponding to the right most dot of the trace (end of the trace).
The start level of the Miller circuit is always the same, like you say. About 0 V. But the stop level for first dot of the trace varies from 0 V to -5 V if you rotate Position from fully CW to fully CCW. At the 50 ns range, the stop level of the last dot in the trace is 5 V more negative (at 5 ns/div), 2 V more negative (at 2 ns/div) and so on.
The Slow Ramp Inverter (which is responsible for the level shifts) sends an opposite level change to the horizontal amplifier input to cancel the shift. Also at faster time/div the horizontal gain is increased to cancel the decrease in TTH level differences.
At CCW position all curves at the TTH test point have the ramp from 0 V to -5 V in common. Hence you will see this ramp very bright.

Albert


I don't understand how the TTH sweep voltage start point is affected
by the front panel Time Position controls as they connect into the
circuitry around U572D on the Analog Logic board. When Q294 in the
TTH Miller circuit conducts, my dumb logic says that the TTH ramp
voltage will reset to zero, but clearly I would seem to be missing
something crucial, because adjusting the Time Position controls DOES
appear to change the start voltage for the TTH ramp as measured at
TP286, but I can't work out how :-(


Regards,
David Partridge



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Re: Spare knobs for 24xx?

zogher
 

Hi,

Update.

Got them from Q Service Electronics, though they only had 3. Still need one more (if anyone has one).

Thanks,
Chris

--- In TekScopes@..., "zogher" <zogher@...> wrote:

Hi,

Am looking for 3 or 4 knobs for the lower front intensity, focus, readout intensity and scale illumination controls for my 2445A. Tek part number is 366-2041-03. Anyone have any spares I can buy?

Thanks,
Chris
fazeka (at) gmail (dot) com


7704A Readout Board

Henry Brown
 

Hello all, I have a Tek 7704A with no readout. Does any one have a readout board (No. 34) on lower left rear or scope? Is there a source I could contact for the board? Thanks much -- this group looks very interesting with plenty of information on scopes. 73 de Hank


Re: Full-time opening for a community leader for oscilloscope site

 

Hi Patrick I'm very interested ,if live in Argentine is an options.
Regards Pastor Mayor.

--- In TekScopes@..., "pman_sic" <pmanns24@...> wrote:

Hi there,
I'm looking for a creative engineer/writer/community leader with some hands-on 'scope experience to run an online community focused on the use and application of that most critical of engineers?€? tools, the oscilloscope. Day-to-day responsibilities include one or two blogs and recruiting and managing other paid bloggers to do likewise, again with an emphasis on test issues and how scopes can be used to solve them, but with latitude to explore the life and daily issues designers face.

Position is full-time with competitive compensation, extensive benefits and broad exposure in the industry. Some travel may be required, for training and a couple of industry shows per year, but otherwise it?€?s a work-from-home (or wherever you prefer to work) position. If ou like scopes, and you're interested, let me know at patrick.mannion@...


Re: Displayed signal becomes compressed when position is moved to the left

 

David,
Is the display also distorted in store mode? If so, it might be a loose connection to one of the horizontal deflection pins of the CRT.
--John Gord

--- In TekScopes@..., "david_s5y" <david_s5@...> wrote:

Hi,

On a tek 2230 in non-store mode, the displayed signal becomes compressed when position is moved to the left.

So if I have a 5K square wave displayed at .1 Ms the first 1/2 of the wave will be 60% the width if I move it to the right. It also looks like brighter.

+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+
---___---___--- <moved to right>

+--- Short and brighter.
V
==___---___---

What needs adjusting


AFG5101 questions...

 

Hi,

My AFG5101 has started saying "battery low" when powered on - is that an easy thing to change?

Also, the LCD contrast is very poor, as is the viewing angle - is there anything I can do about that?

Cheers

Nick


Re: Power supply problem with Tek 2220

amxcoder
 

This is a great story. I just repaired a 465 with a power supply problem and it was just an open filter cap that was bad. I remember looking at the high frequency output from the oscillator but never thought to measure that frequency.

WOW


Michael

--- In TekScopes@..., "tom jobe" <tomjobe@...> wrote:

Hi Tan,
This morning I remembered about an interesting 2235 repair that was done by
a very crafty person by the name of Irwin Zosa during 2007 and 2008.
Irwin lives in your part of the world in the Philippines where it is almost
as hot as in Singapore. His basic problem was the same as yours, the 2235
would shut itself down with a thermal problem.
There was not much interest in his 2235 problem on Tekscopes at that time,
so the email exchanges we had went off group as he worked his way through
the problem. Once he had the problem solved, he posted a nice summary of his
findings to the Tekscopes group.
Irwin's repair summary is in message number 36518 and it was posted on Jan
6, 2009.
He found a number of problems as he went along, but his final discovery
might amaze you.
It sure amazed me because I would have never found it!
tom jobe...
PS I will paste in Irwin's 2235 repair summary below to save you the trouble
of getting it from the Tekscopes Message archive.

Hello to all: Way back in the first quarter of 2007, I had this
problem of my 2235 shutting down after a few minutes from switching
it ON. After a lot of interaction from forum members I finally
nailed down the problem. Here is a brief summary of this process:
First, I checked all the voltages according to the service manual and
they were OK. I also checked the ESR of the capacitors and they read
good but the unit being about twenty years old or so, I decided to
replace the secondary caps (C960, C961, C962, C963, C968, C970) with
ultra-low ESR, 105-degree C Nichicons. I could not find 840uF units
so I used 1000uF. The problem still did not go away although the
length of time-to-shutdown increased. I also replaced the FET
switcher Q9070 (IRF710)with a higher rated device (IRF840). I then
replaced Q946 and Q947 with TIP41 units. At every change that I
made, slight improvements were observed. I also replaced R912 (357
Ohms)with a 390 Ohm part to increase the shutdown threshold of this
2235. Then I replaced the secondary rectifiers CR954, CR955 (MR814),
CR956, CR957 (MR812), CR960, CR961, CR962, CR963 (MR812). The
replacements that I used were the MUR160 ultra-fast rectifiers. All
of these were not done "shotgun" style and in the exact order as
described but rather, followed logical steps of checking one section
at a time. I even thought of thermal runaway because T944, T948, and
Q9070 would heat up so much (really hot!). I also noticed early on
that the frequency of the pre-regulator section (U930) was about
72KHz and in the service manual it is listed as about 60KHz. It
suddenly dawned on me to try to reduce the operating frequency of
this section so I replaced R919 and now it is running at 60KHz. The
excessive heat has gone and no more shutdown. I tried to run the
scope for about half a day and still no shutdown. This 2235 has all
of the power supply improvements already installed from the factory
(but why was the pre-regulator section running at 70KHz ?). I would
like to thank the forum members who gave their insights. Special
thanks goes to Tom Jobe, who stayed with me all the way in this
repair project. He took the time to take measurement readings for
me, gave his analyses, and even offered parts that I may need for
free. At some point I was considering another brand of oscilloscope
but I held on to this (even keeping it in storage for almost a year
because of this problem) because from my research, these TEK scopes,
during their time, were among the best. I think they still are.


Re: Total beginner with newly acquired 475 with issues

 

Hello and a warm welcome to the group,

just to amend to Arden's excellent recommendation.

We all came across this before - one shall start with some basic checks of the
power supply first. It seems you already started with that... Now, to no
surprise, a high percentage of failed Oscilloscopes results from a degraded
power supply - it may be shortened rails caused by dead tantalum caps,
electrolytic caps which degraded so no filtering results, broken zeners or
drifted resistors etc.

My friendly hint would be: After you dived into the service manual and you have
taken care for the basic test equipment and for your personal safety in
particular - start with verifying your 475's power supply rails. Check them for
ripple, voltage readings and load regulation. The service manual provides
details.
Then report back to this group and we shall 'help ya out'. There are some very
experienced and bright people here and I have learned a lot from them.
The successful repair of a Tektronix unit or similar equipment is a very
rewarding feeling. The debug work is a great learning experience and it can also
hone your general troubleshooting skills, which is useful for your professional
job.

Cheers,

Magnus


Displayed signal becomes compressed when position is moved to the left

 

Hi,

On a tek 2230 in non-store mode, the displayed signal becomes compressed when position is moved to the left.

So if I have a 5K square wave displayed at .1 Ms the first 1/2 of the wave will be 60% the width if I move it to the right. It also looks like brighter.

+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+
---___---___--- <moved to right>

+--- Short and brighter.
V
==___---___---

What needs adjusting


Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.

Albert
 

Hi David,

Our start and stop terminology is confusing since both are stop levels of the THT. The "start" is the stop level corresponding to the left most dot at the trace (start of the trace), the "stop" is the stop level corresponding to the right most dot of the trace (end of the trace).
The start level of the Miller circuit is always the same, like you say. About 0 V. But the stop level for first dot of the trace varies from 0 V to -5 V if you rotate Position from fully CW to fully CCW. At the 50 ns range, the stop level of the last dot in the trace is 5 V more negative (at 5 ns/div), 2 V more negative (at 2 ns/div) and so on.
The Slow Ramp Inverter (which is responsible for the level shifts) sends an opposite level change to the horizontal amplifier input to cancel the shift. Also at faster time/div the horizontal gain is increased to cancel the decrease in TTH level differences.
At CCW position all curves at the TTH test point have the ramp from 0 V to -5 V in common. Hence you will see this ramp very bright.

Albert


I don't understand how the TTH sweep voltage start point is affected by the front panel Time Position controls as they connect into the circuitry around U572D on the Analog Logic board. When Q294 in the TTH Miller circuit conducts, my dumb logic says that the TTH ramp voltage will reset to zero, but clearly I would seem to be missing something crucial, because adjusting the Time Position controls DOES appear to change the start voltage for the TTH ramp as measured at TP286, but I can't work out how :-(


Regards,
David Partridge


Re: Nuvistors.

 

It's not hum - the mainframe supplies regulated +75 DC for
plugin heaters. It's Coarse Balance. The beautifully simple
circuit Tek used is only possible with 8393's.

Dave Wise

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@...
[mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Don Black
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:55 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: Nuvistors.

Perhaps it was just easier to provide a DC heater supply of 12
volts at
half the current of a 6 volt tube in a tubes scope for hum reduction.

Don Black.

On 19-Jan-12 10:30 PM, phosphorphile wrote:
Yes, it may be a 13 volt filament is easier to run at
slightly lower voltage because perhaps the voltage being twice
and the current being half of a 6 volt filament would make for
a more constant current with line variations. Probably the way
tungsten filaments work?

The 8393 was used in early 453's and later 503's, I know.
Mebbe other models too.


Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.

 

Well - not quite fully clockwise, but almost.

Now to the chase - I gave up on the calibration instructions on page 5-33 of the 7T11A manual, and went back to the original instructions in the the 7T11 manual on pages 5-10 and 5-11 - these worked a lot better for me. Now the trace is pretty much where it should be at most time/div settings and only needs a minor tweak of the FINE time position control to get a trace on screen

The only problem I'm have is that all the adjustments seem to interact horribly - e.g. front panel Position and Sweep Cal are both affected by the Servo Zero and Slewing Ramp adjustments and also affect those internal adjustments - yack. Thye net result is that now the trace is pretty much where it should be at most time/div settings and only needs a minor tweak of the FINE time position control to get a trace on screen, but it's still moving around somewhat as time/div is turned :-(

I don't understand how the TTH sweep voltage start point is affected by the front panel Time Position controls as they connect into the circuitry around U572D on the Analog Logic board. When Q294 in the TTH Miller circuit conducts, my dumb logic says that the TTH ramp voltage will reset to zero, but clearly I would seem to be missing something crucial, because adjusting the Time Position controls DOES appear to change the start voltage for the TTH ramp as measured at TP286, but I can't work out how :-(


Regards,
David Partridge

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge
Sent: 22 January 2012 19:18
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.

Yes, the measurements ware taken with both the coarse and fine "time position" controls fully clockwise, but that gives me something extra to check on tomorrow.

Regards,
David Partridge
-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Albert
Sent: 22 January 2012 16:33
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: 7T11 trace shifting left as time/div rotated.

Hi David,
The start and stop levels should differ about 5 V. With start I (and you also I think) actually mean the stop level when the trace is at the left position. On the test scope you look at vertical position of the horizontal lines.
It depends of Time Position. The graph 11 is for fully CW. If you rotate to fully CCW then the whole patter shift 5 V lower, from -5 V to -10 V.
Albert



Thinking rather more about this, the start voltage of -2.22V for the TTH Miller circuit doesn't sound right - from all my reading in the manual I think it should be starting at 0V, and the screen shots in the manual also suggest this. The waveforms shown for the Horiz. Amp. also suggest that there's no (or very little) DC offset.

Comments?

Thanks again
Dave



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Re: Tekscopes at the Computer History Museum

 

Or was it the predecessor 8008? I went to work for a company in '75 and everything there was TTL. No microprocessors except one of the engineers was clacking away on a teletype terminal that was connected to a chassis box with a circuit board mounted on top. My recollection was it was an 8008 but it certainly could have been an 8080.

Arden

.......It was around 1971 that the 8080 came out and the world was about to really change. .....


Re: Power supply problem with Tek 2220

tom jobe
 

Hi Tan,
This morning I remembered about an interesting 2235 repair that was done by
a very crafty person by the name of Irwin Zosa during 2007 and 2008.
Irwin lives in your part of the world in the Philippines where it is almost
as hot as in Singapore. His basic problem was the same as yours, the 2235
would shut itself down with a thermal problem.
There was not much interest in his 2235 problem on Tekscopes at that time,
so the email exchanges we had went off group as he worked his way through
the problem. Once he had the problem solved, he posted a nice summary of his
findings to the Tekscopes group.
Irwin's repair summary is in message number 36518 and it was posted on Jan
6, 2009.
He found a number of problems as he went along, but his final discovery
might amaze you.
It sure amazed me because I would have never found it!
tom jobe...
PS I will paste in Irwin's 2235 repair summary below to save you the trouble
of getting it from the Tekscopes Message archive.

Hello to all: Way back in the first quarter of 2007, I had this
problem of my 2235 shutting down after a few minutes from switching
it ON. After a lot of interaction from forum members I finally
nailed down the problem. Here is a brief summary of this process:
First, I checked all the voltages according to the service manual and
they were OK. I also checked the ESR of the capacitors and they read
good but the unit being about twenty years old or so, I decided to
replace the secondary caps (C960, C961, C962, C963, C968, C970) with
ultra-low ESR, 105-degree C Nichicons. I could not find 840uF units
so I used 1000uF. The problem still did not go away although the
length of time-to-shutdown increased. I also replaced the FET
switcher Q9070 (IRF710)with a higher rated device (IRF840). I then
replaced Q946 and Q947 with TIP41 units. At every change that I
made, slight improvements were observed. I also replaced R912 (357
Ohms)with a 390 Ohm part to increase the shutdown threshold of this
2235. Then I replaced the secondary rectifiers CR954, CR955 (MR814),
CR956, CR957 (MR812), CR960, CR961, CR962, CR963 (MR812). The
replacements that I used were the MUR160 ultra-fast rectifiers. All
of these were not done "shotgun" style and in the exact order as
described but rather, followed logical steps of checking one section
at a time. I even thought of thermal runaway because T944, T948, and
Q9070 would heat up so much (really hot!). I also noticed early on
that the frequency of the pre-regulator section (U930) was about
72KHz and in the service manual it is listed as about 60KHz. It
suddenly dawned on me to try to reduce the operating frequency of
this section so I replaced R919 and now it is running at 60KHz. The
excessive heat has gone and no more shutdown. I tried to run the
scope for about half a day and still no shutdown. This 2235 has all
of the power supply improvements already installed from the factory
(but why was the pre-regulator section running at 70KHz ?). I would
like to thank the forum members who gave their insights. Special
thanks goes to Tom Jobe, who stayed with me all the way in this
repair project. He took the time to take measurement readings for
me, gave his analyses, and even offered parts that I may need for
free. At some point I was considering another brand of oscilloscope
but I held on to this (even keeping it in storage for almost a year
because of this problem) because from my research, these TEK scopes,
during their time, were among the best. I think they still are.


Tek W Plugin 7000 & up serial.

technite2001
 

Greetings to the group.
I found a copy a later W manual with the FET mod. If there is a need I will scan and post it online. Its listed in the change section and is 13 pages (schematic and pictures).
Let me know.
Regards,
Jerry
W2JI


Sold: Tek 067-1039-01 TM500 Pattern Generator

 

The unit has been sold.

On 1/22/2012 1:04 PM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
Unknown, untested, looks to be in decent shape.

High Res pics at

$50 or best offer +$15 shipping in US. International shipping is
available, but you'll coverall costs, fees, and tariffs.
--
mailto:oz@...
Oz
POB 93167
Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport)


TAS485 quirks and known issues

 

I have recently?acquired?a TAS485 and I was wondering if anyone knows what are the usual quirks or known issues with this series of scopes.

Is there a blue shield for this series of scopes, because I like blue.

Thanks.


Re: Tekscopes at the Computer History Museum

 

Tom,
in 82 we redesigned/copied the SWTPC Computer on EURO-cards (100x160mm)
and sold it here in germany.
Last year, by chance i found one of our constructed/manufactured computers in a dumster ;-)
Now it's in my store for the next 100 years ;-)

Peter
============================

The next microprocessor I had was the SWTPC 6800. I really liked doing assembly with the Motorola instruction set.
?
Tom




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Re: Tekscopes at the Computer History Museum

 

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I also think he is right about the 8080. I do remember the 4004 and for a short time the 8008 chip sets. We were looking at them to use in an IFF transponder.
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In '84, I bought an 8080 chip for $200. That was a lot of money then. Also, a 1702 EPROM. Just 256 bytes.
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And 2102 static ram chips with 1x1k bits ( I think).
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The next microprocessor I had was the SWTPC 6800. I really liked doing assembly with the Motorola instruction set.
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I know Tek used a lot of the Mot CPUs in many different products.
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Fun, fun, fun! :)
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Tom
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:55 PM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: Tekscopes at the Computer History Museum

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These dates sound correct: I remember reading the introductory data sheet
for the 4004 in 1971 or 1972. It made no sense at all. I couldn't figure out
what it was. I was used to logic gates and this was alien to me.

1974 sounds right for the 8080. I missed the introduction of that chip but I
was building a Z80 system 3 years later.

Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Thompson, Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:34 PM

Hello, Tom and the group--

IIRC, the 8080 was introduced in 1974; the 4004 was introduced in 1971.
In the early 1960s, I worked as a co-op student at a company that
manufactured magnetic-core logic (nonvolatile, radiation-resistant, very low
power consumption). Four bits per cubic inch.

73--

Brad AA1IP


Manual for PG508?

 

Resent due to a mailer error.

* BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *

On 22-Jan-12 at 17:46 Bruce Lane <kyrrin@...> wrote:

Fellow Tekkies,

I've just acquired a PG508 from That Evil Auction Site. Would anyone
happen to have an original manual for sale?

Let me know... Thanks!


Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy,
Blue Feather Technologies --
kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m
"Quid Malmborg in Plano..."