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516 brightness / geometry trouble

 

He folks,

any idea why my 516 scope has developed the bad habit of changing
trace width and height when the brightness control is turned? The
trace(s) are otherwise fine.

Thanks,
Joe


Re: Birdies on a 492....what's normal?

John Miles
 

Not sure I've ever seen those options mentioned, but the minimum discernible
signal should be in the specs. The noise floor of a 49x in 100 Hz RBW is
around -125 dBm in band 1. The 8640B goes down to -139 dBm, so it may be
time to tighten up a few connectors in the 8640B if you can still see it!
(Either that, or perhaps those option codes refer to some kind of internal
preamp. Would be interesting to know for sure... Deane and Stan, have you
ever heard of those?)

I recently posted the TekScopes issue announcing the 492 for another fellow;
it's still on my web space, and will be for a few days (until I need the
space back), if you or anyone else would like to grab a copy:


It's about 12 MB, not a great scan for browsing but looks OK when printed.

-- john, KE5FX

My 492 has mod UB and kit KE/FE installed. Would you happen to know
what those are?


What's the lowest power signal that this should be able to resolve at
minimum span, max resolution, and with the minimum noise filter
engaged and with video filtering set to narrow?

I'm asking because whatever it is, my HP 8640B won't go that low,
even at its -130dBM range with the vernier turned down all the way.
I'm impressed!


Re: Birdies on a 492....what's normal?

Chris Johnson
 

I'm still learning my way around the groups. I may have sent replies
to individuals rather than the group. Sorry about that.


I went inside and checked all the cabling and found a few connections
that were a bit loose. Most of them were push-on SMB connections.
After tightening them all up, all the birdies flew away. :)




My 492 has mod UB and kit KE/FE installed. Would you happen to know
what those are?


What's the lowest power signal that this should be able to resolve at
minimum span, max resolution, and with the minimum noise filter
engaged and with video filtering set to narrow?

I'm asking because whatever it is, my HP 8640B won't go that low,
even at its -130dBM range with the vernier turned down all the way.
I'm impressed!



CJ


Re: TR501 vs. TR502

 

Gregor,

With the exception of the stop sweep circuitry, a TR 501 is identical to a
TR 502. The TR 501 was actually intended to be used with the 7L12. The
stop sweep feature only works with the more stable 7L13 or 7L14. A typical
configuration is a 7L13 Spectrum Analyzer, TR 502 Tracking Generator, DC
508A/07 1.3 GHz Frequency Counter and a TM 503/07 Power Supply. The
combination stops the spectrum analyzer sweep to allow the frequency counter
to count the tracking generator frequency at the center frequency that the
spectrum analyzer is tuned to. When the counter has finished counting the
center frequency, the sweep continues to the right of the center frequency.

You can do something somewhat similiar using a 7L12, TR 501, DC 50x (or any
high frequency frequency counter), and a TM 503. You use the analyzer's
manual sweep mode and tune the spectrum analyzer sweep to the frequency of
interest. With counter connected to the auxiliary output of the TR 501 it
will count the tracking generator frequency at whatever point the spectrum
analyzer sweep is manually tuned to assuming the 7L12, and TR 502 are
properly synchronized. You can also use the zero span mode which stops the
sweep at the center frequency as well.

It is very helpful to have a frequency counter connected to the tracking
generator's auxiliary output. Rather than being limited by the 7Lxx
spectrum analyzers' readout accuracy of 1 MHz or less, you can determine the
exact frequency that the analyzer is tuned to easily.

Brian, WB6QED


TR501 vs. TR502

Gregor Lasser
 

Hi!

I'm looking for a TR502 tracking generator for my 7L12 for a long time now,
but now I found an ebay offer for a TR501 that seems to have the same
functionality. Is that correct, or what are the differences between TR502
and TR501? On an internet page I found the hint "Tektronix TR501 tracking
generator 100kHz-1.8GHz for 7L12 (no sweep stop)" But what is this sweep
stop functionality?

Regards Gregor, OE1GLC


465M ?

Charles A. Pratt
 

I have a question on the power supply replacement of the caps on the 5V
side the Negative polarity is reversed on the - 5 side? The old caps
are not marked and I figured it out from the shield being insulated on
the -5V side.

If anyone has a schematic of the PSU it would be great!

Charles


7D02 Logic Analyzer

Paul Anderson
 

I have a Tektronix 7603 mainframe, with a 7D02 logic analyzer plugin.
Unfortunately, I don't have any probes, personality modules or
manuals. I'm not really what constitutes normal behaviour when you
just turn it on or not, so I'm wondering if it's seriously unhealthy.
When I turn the scope on, the screen fills with nines and underscores,
like this:

9_9_9_9_9_
9_9_9_9_9_
9_9_9_9_9_

The longer the scope is on, some of the 9's will start changing into
other characters like semicolons and equal signs. It almost seems
like I'm looking at a memory dump? Does anyone have any thoughts on
the meaning of this output?

--
Paul Anderson
VE3HOP
wackyvorlon@...

"May the electromotive force be with you."


A technical term for floating a scope

Hugh Prescott
 

In another forum it was referred to as using your scope in "hillbilly differential amplifier" mode.

Just had to share

Hugh


Re: Replacement to DS1230AB Lithium backed NVRAM

 

"John Miles" <jmiles@...> wrote:
Sounds like the whole RAM is battery-backed, not just the address space used
to hold calibration constants and instrument state. Is it practical to
Dremel the Dallas part open and replace its integral lithium cell with an
outboard cell?
It wouldn't be the first time something like that has been done:



Not Dallas, but it's the same idea.
-ls-


Re: Replacement to DS1230AB Lithium backed NVRAM

John Miles
 

Sounds like the whole RAM is battery-backed, not just the address space used
to hold calibration constants and instrument state. Is it practical to
Dremel the Dallas part open and replace its integral lithium cell with an
outboard cell?

-- john, KE5FX

I have found that the FRAM devices are not a viable option in the
243X/40. Sadly I must report that what looked like a very promising
alternative to the DALLAS RAM/Lithium cell combo has turned out to be
a dead end.

I have been testing for over one month now on a 2430A, 2440 and 2465B
and everything seemed fine. My last test was to actually determine
the read/write frequency to the device.

It turn out a 2430A writes to the battery-backed devices as often as
once every microsecond. Since the FRAM device as a maximum of 10^10
read/write cycles (before it loses its NV capability) a quick
calculation reveals that the 2430A scope will render the FRAM device
a volatile device in one to three months.

For now I can only recommend the DALLAS (or other vendors)
RAM/Lithium cell combo pack device for use in Tek scopes.

Sorry for getting everyone's hopes up for a more inexpensive
replacement for NVRAM.

--Victor Silva



Re: Replacement to DS1230AB Lithium backed NVRAM

 

I have found that the FRAM devices are not a viable option in the
243X/40. Sadly I must report that what looked like a very promising
alternative to the DALLAS RAM/Lithium cell combo has turned out to be
a dead end.

I have been testing for over one month now on a 2430A, 2440 and 2465B
and everything seemed fine. My last test was to actually determine
the read/write frequency to the device.

It turn out a 2430A writes to the battery-backed devices as often as
once every microsecond. Since the FRAM device as a maximum of 10^10
read/write cycles (before it loses its NV capability) a quick
calculation reveals that the 2430A scope will render the FRAM device
a volatile device in one to three months.

For now I can only recommend the DALLAS (or other vendors)
RAM/Lithium cell combo pack device for use in Tek scopes.

Sorry for getting everyone's hopes up for a more inexpensive
replacement for NVRAM.

--Victor Silva


Re: 1S2 Sampling Unit and TDR Manual to a good home

Dennis Tillman
 

The 1S2 manual has found a new home.
Dennis


Ot manual

 

Any one have a manual for measurements corp. 159 ? Thanks, Mike


1S2 Sampling Unit and TDR Manual to a good home

Dennis Tillman
 

Hi everybody,

I have a genuine original Tek 1S2 manual (070-0889-00, no serial number).
Cover page says Copyright 1966, new material copyright 1968 so it probably
covers many instruments. No additional changes are shown in the back of the
manual. No serial numbers indicated on the schematic pages so it appears to
cover all the 1S2s made up through 1968. About 1" (25mm) thick

Also included is a xerox copy of Tek Service Scope Aug 1967 article on TDR
using the 1S2.

First one to claim it gets it.

Domestic shipping will be via UPS Ground. No other charges for packing. Flat
feee for shipping to anywhere in the US is $8.00 (unless you will be picking
it up in person). Overseas shipping costs via the USPS are anybody's guess.

NON-DISCLAIMER: I have a 100% financial interest in the disposition of this
item :)

Dennis Tillman
Silicon Designs, Inc.
1445 NW Mall Street
Issaquah, WA 98027-5344
dennis@...
www.silicondesigns.com
425-391-8329 Voice
425-391-4077 FAX


Re: Acquisition of 535A and 581 - info for a 7000-er?

arthurok
 

the 535a is a fine choice as a general purpose lab scope
if 15 mhz will do it.
im a bit down on the 545a because of its 4 cm verticle height + very complex vert delay line
as a plug in tester i think that it will test any letter and number plug ins if 15 mhz will do you

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill R
Cc: TekScopes@...
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Acquisition of 535A and 581 - info for a 7000-er?


Christian,

BAMA has the 585 manual. A 581 is like a 585 but has only one timebase.
The vertical amps will be the same, and the power supplies will be very
close.
The one sweep on the 581 will be the same as "A" sweep on the 585.
Right: To use letter series plug-ins with a 581 you need an adapter
plug-in, type 81.
The plug-in of choice for the 581 is the type 82, a dual channel.
Single channel is type 86.
Both 581 and 585 came in "A" versions.

Good luck!

Bill R

Christian A Weagle wrote:
> Good day,
>
> A friend of mine has offered me two tube scopes of unknown provenance,
> he believes however that they are not working. They are
>
> Type 581 Serial #001067
> Type 535A Serial #025668
>
> BAMA has provided me with manual for the 535A (even seems to be the
> right vintage), but I came up short on the 581 - any pointers? I
> don't know what/if any plugins will be coming (the scopes are
> currently a long way away from both of us).
>
> This will be my first foray into the earlier offerings from Tek. I
> understand that both of these scopes will use letter and 1-series
> plugins, the 581 needing the 81 adapter. Any other gotchas? I will
> of course peruse the archives, but I would welcome any tips useful to
> someone used to working on 7000-era gear. Ahh, yes, I know that the
> voltages tend to be a bit higher, and that I probably could stand to
> get a 100x probe!
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Acquisition of 535A and 581 - info for a 7000-er?

faustian.spirit
 

--- In TekScopes@..., Bill R <bill1904@...> wrote:

Christian,

BAMA has the 585 manual. A 581 is like a 585 but has only one
timebase.
The vertical amps will be the same, and the power supplies will be very
close.
The one sweep on the 581 will be the same as "A" sweep on the 585.
Right: To use letter series plug-ins with a 581 you need an adapter
plug-in, type 81.
The plug-in of choice for the 581 is the type 82, a dual channel.
Single channel is type 86.
Both 581 and 585 came in "A" versions.

Good luck!

Bill R

Christian A Weagle wrote:
Good day,

A friend of mine has offered me two tube scopes of unknown provenance,
he believes however that they are not working. They are

Type 581 Serial #001067
Type 535A Serial #025668

BAMA has provided me with manual for the 535A (even seems to be the
right vintage), but I came up short on the 581 - any pointers? I
don't know what/if any plugins will be coming (the scopes are
currently a long way away from both of us).

This will be my first foray into the earlier offerings from Tek. I
understand that both of these scopes will use letter and 1-series
plugins, the 581 needing the 81 adapter. Any other gotchas? I will
of course peruse the archives, but I would welcome any tips useful to
someone used to working on 7000-era gear. Ahh, yes, I know that the
voltages tend to be a bit higher, and that I probably could stand to
get a 100x probe!
So what is your total cost for these (even if they are for free,
shipment or petrol costs...)?

"Non working" could mean one or more of the following faults, which
WILL require either unusual spare parts or workarounds:

CRT gassy or out of geometry. Defective mains transformer (mainly
heater winding insulation). Defective EHT transformer (people have
probably talked up a book about that here). Defective time relay (not
easily obtained). Several capacitors leaky (depends on the brand and
charge used at time of production it seems). All kinds of fan trouble
(stuck fans, worn bearings, inoperative motors, soccer hooligans...).
Some other things I have not thought of.

Also see the advice I solicited here a few weeks ago about bringing up
a 500 series (a 555 in that case, which I have since then powered up
but not gotten completely operational yet...)





Yahoo! Groups Links






Re: Acquisition of 535A and 581 - info for a 7000-er?

Bill R
 

Christian,

BAMA has the 585 manual. A 581 is like a 585 but has only one timebase. The vertical amps will be the same, and the power supplies will be very close.
The one sweep on the 581 will be the same as "A" sweep on the 585.
Right: To use letter series plug-ins with a 581 you need an adapter plug-in, type 81.
The plug-in of choice for the 581 is the type 82, a dual channel. Single channel is type 86.
Both 581 and 585 came in "A" versions.

Good luck!

Bill R

Christian A Weagle wrote:

Good day,

A friend of mine has offered me two tube scopes of unknown provenance,
he believes however that they are not working. They are
Type 581 Serial #001067
Type 535A Serial #025668

BAMA has provided me with manual for the 535A (even seems to be the
right vintage), but I came up short on the 581 - any pointers? I
don't know what/if any plugins will be coming (the scopes are
currently a long way away from both of us).

This will be my first foray into the earlier offerings from Tek. I
understand that both of these scopes will use letter and 1-series
plugins, the 581 needing the 81 adapter. Any other gotchas? I will
of course peruse the archives, but I would welcome any tips useful to
someone used to working on 7000-era gear. Ahh, yes, I know that the
voltages tend to be a bit higher, and that I probably could stand to
get a 100x probe!



Yahoo! Groups Links






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slightly OT: HP 3589A Spectrum / Network Analyzer: Trace Math syntax

martin_u_fischer
 

Hello TekScope Community,

apologies for the slightly OT; please admit the following questions:

I am looking for informations about Trace Math in the HP 3589A
Spectrum / Network Analyzer.
The Product Data Sheet merely mentions some characteristics of this
feature.
The HP 3589A Operator?s Guide downloaded the from the Agilent website
doesn?t even mention this feature.

Does anybody have any further informations about or experience with
Trace Math syntax in this Model?
Or do I miss a dedicated manual covering this topic?

Any hint will be highly appreciated.

Regards
Martin

mailto:Martin.Fischer@...


Re: Birdies on a 492....what's normal?

John Miles
 

There should be no birdies whatsoever except for the big one at 0 Hz. You
have a problem (possibly bad cabling in the front end, although what local
signals would be coming through at 41 MHz and 300 MHz, I don't know...)
Interrupt the RF signal path (as recommended in my earlier reply) until you
see where they're coming from.

-- john, KE5FX

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...]On
Behalf Of Chris Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:56 AM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Birdies on a 492....what's normal?


I've got a 492 that I haven't had for very long and I'm still
exploring the possibilities with it. It has options 1,2, and 3.