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Re: 492 has no 110 MHz IF

 

On Mar 13, 2025, at 04:21 , Raymond Domp Frank via groups.io <hewpatek@...> wrote:

Could the problem be something as simple as the oscillator being off frequency? My microwave counter has a power supply problem that I'm also trying to fix, and I doubt a 7S11/7T11 combo is precise enough to adjust it.
If you want to finely adjust a 110MHz signal, a 7T11 time base would be useless with its very limited frequency accuracy and resolution.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was looking at the manual step "Check/Adjust the Cavity 2nd LO" which says to connect a microwave counter to the 2nd LO output and measure 2182.0 ±0.5 MHz, and to loosen a lock nut and adjust the fine tune adjustment in the cavity. (p. 345 of S/N B029999 and below service manual). You confirmed my belief on the 7T11.

There is no 110 MHz frequency to adjust directly with a counter, because if I understand correctly (big if!), that intermediate frequency is produced by mixing the 2nd LO 2182 MHz output with the 2072 MHz input signal from the 1st converter. I'm trying to understand why the 110 MHz IF is dead, even though the LO signal is present at approximately the right level.

thanks,
Adam


Used TDS520D Price?

 

I have a TDS520D ( 2 channel, 500Mhz, 2GS/sec) that I am planning to bring to a local flea market to sell. I'm trying to figure out a reasonable asking price. Doing a Google search returns a very wide range of asking prices. It boots up fine and the self-test is good. Everything on it seems to work fine but haven't verified the floppy drive or printer port are working, but I have no reason to believe that they aren't.

Looking for recommendation on a reasonable asking price.

Thanks,

Dale


Re: 492 has no 110 MHz IF

 

Could the problem be something as simple as the oscillator being off frequency? My microwave counter has a power supply problem that I'm also trying to fix, and I doubt a 7S11/7T11 combo is precise enough to adjust it.
If you want to finely adjust a 110MHz signal, a 7T11 time base would be useless with its very limited frequency accuracy and resolution.

Raymond


Re: 492 has no 110 MHz IF

 

If you want to measure frequency, then the 7D14 is probably the tool choice
(to get in the ball-park anyway), but GPS locked counter will be better.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...>
Sent: 13 March 2025 11:03
To: 'TekScopes@groups.io' <TekScopes@groups.io>
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] 492 has no 110 MHz IF

Actually, a 7S11/7T11 combo will give you pretty accurate measurements of RF
signals (typically better than a power meter). The signal needs to be
large enough though, if you talking 0dBm that's fine (0.224Vrms), but if the
signal level is smaller than that, you will have problems and below about
-7dBm (100mV rms), you'll probably be out luck.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io <TekScopes@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam R. Maxwell
via groups.io
Sent: 13 March 2025 06:01
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: [TekScopes] 492 has no 110 MHz IF

Hi all,

I've been trying to troubleshoot an amplitude problem on my new 492, which
has had multiple other little problems along the way. At this point, I can
get a stable display and frequency is OK, but amplitude is 20-30 dBm lower
than it should be. Attenuator and first mixer seem good, but I'm missing the
110 MHz output from the 2nd converter (should be -37 dBm or -39 dBm
depending on band), measuring with HP 8484A.

The front panel 2nd LO output is ~17.6 dBm on the first band, and I measure
+9 dBM and -1.5 dBm directly on the 2nd LO cavity oscillator, which all
seems in the ballpark (and at least verifies the oscillator is not dead).

Could the problem be something as simple as the oscillator being off
frequency? My microwave counter has a power supply problem that I'm also
trying to fix, and I doubt a 7S11/7T11 combo is precise enough to adjust it.
I'm mildly tempted to just try turning the adjustment screw on the cavity
oscillator and see if the display responds.

Any other ideas? I'm not enthusiastic about opening up the 2072 MHz 2nd
converter, but that looks like the only thing in the signal path that would
lose the 110 MHz IF on all bands.

thanks,
Adam


Re: 492 has no 110 MHz IF

 

Actually, a 7S11/7T11 combo will give you pretty accurate measurements of RF
signals (typically better than a power meter). The signal needs to be
large enough though, if you talking 0dBm that's fine (0.224Vrms), but if the
signal level is smaller than that, you will have problems and below about
-7dBm (100mV rms), you'll probably be out luck.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io <TekScopes@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam R. Maxwell
via groups.io
Sent: 13 March 2025 06:01
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: [TekScopes] 492 has no 110 MHz IF

Hi all,

I've been trying to troubleshoot an amplitude problem on my new 492, which
has had multiple other little problems along the way. At this point, I can
get a stable display and frequency is OK, but amplitude is 20-30 dBm lower
than it should be. Attenuator and first mixer seem good, but I'm missing the
110 MHz output from the 2nd converter (should be -37 dBm or -39 dBm
depending on band), measuring with HP 8484A.

The front panel 2nd LO output is ~17.6 dBm on the first band, and I measure
+9 dBM and -1.5 dBm directly on the 2nd LO cavity oscillator, which all
seems in the ballpark (and at least verifies the oscillator is not dead).

Could the problem be something as simple as the oscillator being off
frequency? My microwave counter has a power supply problem that I'm also
trying to fix, and I doubt a 7S11/7T11 combo is precise enough to adjust it.
I'm mildly tempted to just try turning the adjustment screw on the cavity
oscillator and see if the display responds.

Any other ideas? I'm not enthusiastic about opening up the 2072 MHz 2nd
converter, but that looks like the only thing in the signal path that would
lose the 110 MHz IF on all bands.

thanks,
Adam


Re: Tek 492 Y axis failure?

 

Hi Mark,

thanks for the link. I'll have a good read through it. As for further failed tantalums, that could well be the case as the video amplifier is still not running correctly. Fortunately the 'parts-donor' unit still had this module and that one does seems to be working.

I've removed the Yig and have been looking for clearer disassembly images or videos but without luck as of yet. Before I attempt to open it, when I get some time, I'll look through the manual and see if the lack of vertical deflection might be on one of the plug-in boards.

There are 11 of the bolt-connected modules, from the underside, which I had intended to test, but I'm not prepared to risk any further damage.

Thanks


James


Re: Like to say hello and ask a question about my Tektronix 465 ocsilloscope

 

Hello Mike,
Thanks for your reply.

I did some checks on some regulated voltages indeed in terms of voltage level and ripple or other nasty oscillation issues and all looked clean.
However, not really structured and I can't remember the values at this moment to be honest, I only know I didn't see any unexpected things.
(I've got a second scope as well fortunately)
But, I will have a look again.

It is a very nice piece of quality equipment, must have cost a serious amount of money when it was new.
Usually my interest is low frequency spectrum like audio and video, sweeps on LPF and HPF filters, but with 100 MHz I can do a lot more I reckon.

Thanks,

Wilfred


492 has no 110 MHz IF

 

Hi all,

I've been trying to troubleshoot an amplitude problem on my new 492, which has had multiple other little problems along the way. At this point, I can get a stable display and frequency is OK, but amplitude is 20-30 dBm lower than it should be. Attenuator and first mixer seem good, but I'm missing the 110 MHz output from the 2nd converter (should be -37 dBm or -39 dBm depending on band), measuring with HP 8484A.

The front panel 2nd LO output is ~17.6 dBm on the first band, and I measure +9 dBM and -1.5 dBm directly on the 2nd LO cavity oscillator, which all seems in the ballpark (and at least verifies the oscillator is not dead).

Could the problem be something as simple as the oscillator being off frequency? My microwave counter has a power supply problem that I'm also trying to fix, and I doubt a 7S11/7T11 combo is precise enough to adjust it. I'm mildly tempted to just try turning the adjustment screw on the cavity oscillator and see if the display responds.

Any other ideas? I'm not enthusiastic about opening up the 2072 MHz 2nd converter, but that looks like the only thing in the signal path that would lose the 110 MHz IF on all bands.

thanks,
Adam


Re: Salvage yard rescue: Tektronix TU-50. Some questions from a non-tech

 

I prefer to use vintage equipment to calibrate my oscilloscopes, mainly because I enjoy the challenge.

I just hate to see these golden age of electronics jewels going to the scrap and being destroyed. And at this time I have room for the larger 500 series stuff.

A TU-50 has been a want for quite a while now. I don’t need it, but I’d like a nice one to preserve.
So I sent you a PM Ricky.


Re: Identify TDS640A 'hackable' options via serial number?

 

In the aforementioned link to enable options, follow the process as usual, but instead of sending the command 'WORDCONSTANT:ATPUT 327690, 1'. send 'WORDCONSTANT:ATPUT 327690, 0' (without quotation marks) instead.

That should turn the floppy drive option off.


Or you could install a floppy, or even a Gotek Slim Floppy Emulator to provide USB for convenient screenshot transfers etc. :)
(I used this exact one and they work perfectly).



Jared

On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 07:16 PM, walkerru3 wrote:


Jared, and how i can disable 1F option? (All the 640 have a floppy. I don't
have a floppy and tried to disable it in EEPROM. But, no way: with both
possible values i have an error regarding 1F)

Peter


Re: Tek 492 Y axis failure?

 

James,

I do not know if the 494XX type is the same or not in its guts. This site may help: . Page 9 may be of help. The resistors he mentions should be increased to 2W (15mm length or longer). A 1 or 2% tolerance would be even better than original. Keep looking for bad tantalums, you may fine more.

Mark


Re: Like to say hello and ask a question about my Tektronix 465 ocsilloscope

 

Wilfred:

All of the capacitors that you mention are part of the power supply, and
their ripple is not specified, as they are part of pre-regulator
circuitry.? Can you check the regulated DC voltages and determine if the
ripple on the DC voltage buses are within limits?? These limits should
be specified somewhere in the service manual(s) (refer to w140.com).? If
the service-manual-specified limits for ripple on the various regulated
DC buses are within limits, you should be fine.

If I am missing something here, that others are aware of, please let
me/us know!

Mike N4MWP

On 3/12/25 15:36, Wilfred via groups.io wrote:
Hello again,

It's been a while since I wrote and had to say goodbye to my 465 oscilloscope, but I managed to find another one and luckily without any issues.
The serial number is 109003, which is I understood one of the latest. (Not sure though)
Anyway, I did a check on the power supply voltages and the big capacitor's ripples between the plus and minus on the Elco itself:

C1512 (550uF) 79V and 300mV ripple,
C1513 (1200uF) 74V and 1V ripple,
C1542 (5500uF) 23V and 1.5V ripple,
C1552 (50009uF) .2V and 700mV ripple,
C1562 (3000uF) 12V and 1V ripple.

Any idea if this is acceptable ?

It might be wise to replace them in the future, but for now I just leave it as it is and use the oscilloscope it was made for.

Thanks again and have a lovely evening,

Wilfred






Re: Like to say hello and ask a question about my Tektronix 465 ocsilloscope

 

Hello again,

It's been a while since I wrote and had to say goodbye to my 465 oscilloscope, but I managed to find another one and luckily without any issues.
The serial number is 109003, which is I understood one of the latest. (Not sure though)
Anyway, I did a check on the power supply voltages and the big capacitor's ripples between the plus and minus on the Elco itself:

C1512 (550uF) 79V and 300mV ripple,
C1513 (1200uF) 74V and 1V ripple,
C1542 (5500uF) 23V and 1.5V ripple,
C1552 (50009uF) .2V and 700mV ripple,
C1562 (3000uF) 12V and 1V ripple.

Any idea if this is acceptable ?

It might be wise to replace them in the future, but for now I just leave it as it is and use the oscilloscope it was made for.

Thanks again and have a lovely evening,

Wilfred


Re: Salvage yard rescue: Tektronix TU-50. Some questions from a non-tech

 

ricky covell
<hypomnnqn@...?subject=Re:%20Salvage%20yard%20rescue%3A%20Tektronix%20TU-50.%20Some%20questions%20from%20a%20non-tech>
wrote:
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 21:29:54 PDT

(The leveler) seems quite do-able, just a handful of resistors, a cap, and
a 6110.
You do not need the 6110 tube. While not totally unobtanium it may be
easier to replicate the sine wave leveler with the 190B leveler which uses
a pair of 1N97A germanium diodes and a different resistor network. It will
work equally well as the tube version used with the 190A. The TU-50 is a
combination of three production instruments housed in one large cabinet.
The three instruments are a 190 constant amplitude signal generator, a 180
time-mark generator, and a 105 square wave generator. Schematics available
on Tekwiki. - Ferrous


Tek 492 Y axis failure?

 

Hi.

I have this 492 which was working.

Last week a friend donated a largely stripped 492 whose remaining parts I thought could be tested in the working unit.

First thing to test was the crt.
Unfortunately, nothing appeared on the display and the distinct smell of toasted component filled the air so quickly turned the 492 off.
Following my nose, led me to the video amplifier board, where a shorted tantalum was quickly found.
With that replaced, the 492 came back to life, all the lights, traces, display readings etc. However, there appears to be no vertical readings.

Before I dive into the manual when I next get time, does anyone have any idea as to where to look? For example, could the video board have damaged an adjacent board?

I've seen people replacing the diode and tantalum in the Yig filter, so I should just check there first...

Once this is fixed, I'll give it a miss testing the remaining parts and just sell them 'as is - for parts'


James


Re: Identify TDS640A 'hackable' options via serial number?

 

HI Bill,
You said " but it quickly turned back to monochrome within a few seconds."
Was that with the LCD screen fed from the VGA signals from the rear panel as I assumed (foolishly) that an external VGA monitor would be in colour ?
Glancing over the 'user' configurable 'hacks' I don't see one to enable colour on the display?
Dave


Re: 2784

 

Hii all,
the PSU is now ok. After adjusting the DIP Switches the SA is starting and I can see the 100 MHz signal I injected.
But I think the Signal is not locked. Down to 100 kHz ResBW the signal is stable (not exact 100MHz) , but from 30 kHz ResBW the signal is out of screen and the sweep is very slow.
Horizontal Frequency Self-Correction gives Error: 129 MHz Tuning Range Unknown, sometimes 129 MHz Tuning Correction Terminated, or 129 MHz Timed Out.
All stored Data is lost, because the LI- batteries have been for several years at Null Volt.
Is it possible to fix the problem without the Extender card?
Regards
闯ü谤驳别苍


Re: Tek 2235 Q944 Equivalent-squished horizontal

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 09:40 AM, Eng Heads wrote:
The squished horizontal is due to low voltage on the 8.6V--in fact all the DC
voltages are low by about 15%.
In the 22xx scope's power supply the 8.6V rail acts as a reference for all other voltages, so if 8.6V is low, all other rails will also be dragged down.


Re: Identify TDS640A 'hackable' options via serial number?

 

The possible options are only the ones which are listed in the datasheet! For example the number of sampling points can not be increased in a TDS6xx because of the other sampling technology of the whole family.


Re: Identify TDS640A 'hackable' options via serial number?

 

Yes, color Proc boards are different from monochrome. Thay have additional
color video schematics.
Regarding 1M and 2M,
If we look inside the oscilloscope, we can see which type of memory is
being used: 64K or 1M (on the Acq. board)

Jared, and how i can disable 1F option? (All the 640 have a floppy. I don't
have a floppy and tried to disable it in EEPROM. But, no way: with both
possible values i have an error regarding 1F)

Peter

ср, 12 мар. 2025?г. в 01:48, Jared Cabot via groups.io <jaredcabot=
protonmail.com@groups.io>:

As far as I know, the VGA output provides exactly the same image as on the
CRT. So a monochrome scope will output a monochrome image via VGA.


As for enabling options, the link provided above by walkerru3 to the info
I posted on eevblog forum is everything you need to know.
According to the user manual here (page A-1):


You have the following options available:
1F - Floppy Disk Drive (Requires the floppy drive to be installed)
13 - RS-232/Centronics Hardcopy Interface (Requires the serial interface
to be installed)
05 - Video Trigger (Requires the Video Trigger board to be installed)
2F - Advanced DSP Math (No prerequisites, can be software enables with no
additional parts)

You can also try enabling option 2M and see if it works. Just reboot the
scope and see if it shows up on the boot splash screen. If not, then
disable it and try 1M instead, rinse and repeat.


Jared.