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dhuster@... wrote:

Hi, Stan,

I was the one (Dean) who mentioned the manuals on 'fiche. I suppose
that I'm only assuming that they're doing that since they were so hot
to get all of us Service Center technicians to quit using paper
manuals and rely solely upon 'fiche for our documentation. It must
have been the same folks who did the mechanical design on the 434
that came up with that idea. In 1982, you could order the manual of
Tek's oldest scopes on 'fiche. I just assumed .....

It also makes me sick. I may have told you this story already.
Since I was the sole tech at the OKC Service Center, I got all
the 'fiche updates each week and dutifully made them. But I never
threw away the old 'fiche as it was replaced with the new. When I
left Tek, I had a nearly complete set of 'fiche from the oldest
instrument to the newest, through all the T&M, television, medical,
IDG (computer) and old catalogs and sales literature. I literally
gave it all away to a friend in Dallas who owned a cal lab there (a
lab that was sucking away an alarming amount of business from the
Dallas Service Center -- I'll have to tell you about Dale sometime)
in trade for a few pieces of older hp test equipment. I'll bet that
I could sell that 18" stack of 'fiche on eBay for an easy 4-figures
today, especially if Tek no longer produces it. I assume that
they've converted it all to PDF?

Dean

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Well, Tek USED to do exactly as you described . . . make all the old data
available on microfiche. I think they quit doing it a couple of years ago.
I am not familiar with the term "PDF" but I assume it is some form of
computer readable pages that would put the old microfiche images on your
computer screen. I am not aware that Tek has bothered to do that with any
but current instruments. I think all of the old data is simply "gone" as far
as Tek is concerned. And yes, that pile of old microfiche is probably worth
all of 4 figures today. Very sad . . .

Stan
w7ni@...

At 12:24 PM +0000 2001/4/18, rdriggers@... wrote:

Hello, since you have a 556 you may be the one to know, i just picked
up for cheap a 556 that looked good, but when i got it home it looks
as if a rodent has eaten a lot of the wires and insulation on the
inside. Is this scope worth the effort to repair or maybe i should
use it for parts. I have a manual and all the parts are there, the
case looks good and is straight.

Well, if you have the room, it's quite the scope, don't you think? ;-) On the other hand, I would buy the manual from you!

Michael

Hi, Stan,

I was the one (Dean) who mentioned the manuals on 'fiche. I suppose
that I'm only assuming that they're doing that since they were so hot
to get all of us Service Center technicians to quit using paper
manuals and rely solely upon 'fiche for our documentation. It must
have been the same folks who did the mechanical design on the 434
that came up with that idea. In 1982, you could order the manual of
Tek's oldest scopes on 'fiche. I just assumed .....

It also makes me sick. I may have told you this story already.
Since I was the sole tech at the OKC Service Center, I got all
the 'fiche updates each week and dutifully made them. But I never
threw away the old 'fiche as it was replaced with the new. When I
left Tek, I had a nearly complete set of 'fiche from the oldest
instrument to the newest, through all the T&M, television, medical,
IDG (computer) and old catalogs and sales literature. I literally
gave it all away to a friend in Dallas who owned a cal lab there (a
lab that was sucking away an alarming amount of business from the
Dallas Service Center -- I'll have to tell you about Dale sometime)
in trade for a few pieces of older hp test equipment. I'll bet that
I could sell that 18" stack of 'fiche on eBay for an easy 4-figures
today, especially if Tek no longer produces it. I assume that
they've converted it all to PDF?

Dean

Hello, since you have a 556 you may be the one to know, i just picked
up for cheap a 556 that looked good, but when i got it home it looks
as if a rodent has eaten a lot of the wires and insulation on the
inside. Is this scope worth the effort to repair or maybe i should
use it for parts. I have a manual and all the parts are there, the
case looks good and is straight. I have a 545a and a 453 that i use
but i have not used a 556.




--- In TekScopes@y..., Michael Dunn <mdunn@c...> wrote:

Yoohoo. I got a pair of NOS, Tek-boxed 8608 tubes for the
vertical of my 556! They work great. Has anyone else had an 8608
fail on them. My bad one had a grid short. I noticed it because

the

vertical position knob acted like a light dimmer, making the tube
glow incandescent white depending on the setting!!!

Michael

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Hi Morris,

I am sure Tek made a silicon replacement kit for those seleniums. I am sure
I have a copy of it on microfiche. I will check that out at my next free
moment and see about taking my microfiche to the local library and making you
a hard copy of the mod instructions for you. I promise to keep the price of
my labor within reason . . .

Don't let me forget this . . . at age 62, things sometimes fall in the
cracks.

Stan
w7ni@...

morriso2002@... wrote:

I have picked up a 127 preamp power supply that is used to power a
couple of 1- or letter plugins for use as instrument amplifiers. It's
quite a boatanchor and seems to work OK but I want to replace the
selenium rectifiers in it with silicon for safety reasons.

There are 5 rectifiers in there. To save me a bit of measurement work,
does anybody have any info on function/ratings of the rectifiers or
whether Tek issued a bulletin on their replacement?

Morris

Hi Doug,

Are you really sure Tek still offers older manuals on microfiche? Last time
I checked I thought they had discontinued that, too.

Stan
w7ni@...

dhuster@... wrote:

Hi Paul,

I can't help you with this one. You might try Deane Kidd
<dektyr@...>

Stan
w7ni@...

ke4dnk@... wrote:

Hi, Doug,

Check out the "Q&A" column in the February 2001 issue of "Poptronics"
magazine (formerly "Popular Electronics" and "Electronics Now"
magazines) for a list of manual sources. Also check out my post at

for manual source listings. Tek doesn't offer any manuals in paper
for older instruments, only on microfiche, but it's cheaper anyway.
Used 'fiche readers are cheap or many libraries have reader/printers
available.

Dean Huster
Contributing Editor, "Q&A"
"Poptronics Magazine"
q&a@...

I need a transformer or a working power supply for my 7904 scope.The
serial # is above B260000.

The transformer is T1310, part # 120-0742-00.

The power supply assembly is # 620-0461-00

Paul Lewis
1317 Kingston Ridge Rd.
Cary, NC 27511

1-919-467-2818

Please reply to ke4dnk@...

Thanks to everyone who replied,
I've contact several and am looking for the best price

Doug

--- In TekScopes@y..., "Doug" <carroll@u...> wrote:

Hi,
my name is Doug and I am looking for a User Manual and Service

manual

for a Tek 454 Scope. I had seen a source on the web but can't seem
to find it now. Does anyone know were I might find these manuals?
I understand tek is very expensive for printed versions of the

manual

Thanks
DOug

--- In TekScopes@y..., Stan or Patricia Griffiths <w7ni@e...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

Good news! It is always great to hear of a success like yours.

More comments below . . .

mtmpsmp@y... wrote:

Stan,
Now I have this 2213 that the trace only
covers half of screen........

Half the screen horizontaly or vertically? I might have some ideas

on this,

too, if you are stuck . . .

thanks. Mike Smith

OK, Mike. My pleasure.

Stan
w7ni@e...

......................................................................
The trace starts on center of screen and runs to right side, Vertical
seems to be ok. The output transistors voltages are comparable but
signal on + plate is very weak. I don't have manual for this one but
layout looks very close to my 2235 .
although parts are numbered different.
Mike

Hi Mike,

Good news! It is always great to hear of a success like yours.

More comments below . . .

mtmpsmp@... wrote:

Stan,
Well I have located a manual, I bid on the one you had on Ebay but
it got out of hand in short order! ( I know you were happy!)
Anyway I have located my problems. (plural) turns out someone had
lifted the end of D388 to check it at some time and the choke on the
back side of the board had come off. Also Q388 was bad I replaced the
transistor and resoldered the choke and things got interesting! The
position controls were working but gain was still way off. I started
checking for gain in each stage from the delay line and
got as far as Q 464,364 at this point gain fell drastically! :( Well
I Pulled those and low and behold they were npn not the expected pnp,
I replaced with two 151-0193 and I have a new scope!!!!
(This scope came from IBM so I really don't Know what to think about
this?)

Well, there are marginal technicians in every company . . .

So in closing I want to thank you for all your help It was very nice
of you to take the time. Now I have this 2213 that the trace only
covers half of screen........

Half the screen horizontaly or vertically? I might have some ideas on this,
too, if you are stuck . . .

thanks. Mike Smith

OK, Mike. My pleasure.

Stan
w7ni@...

--- In TekScopes@y..., Stan or Patricia Griffiths <w7ni@e...> wrote:

Do you think maybe a bad output transistor? thanks for your

help.

Mike

Maybe, Mike. Looking at my 454 manual, I see that the collector

voltage on

both Q394 and Q494 should be about 41-42 volts measured with a

voltmeter.

Also, I don't think the voltmeter should "load" the circuit such

that the

voltage changes very much because of attaching the voltmeter.

There are TWO

sets of vertical deflection plate pins. Are you sure all FOUR

pins

are

connected?

A good troubleshooting method for balanced circuits like

vertical

amplifiers

is to short together like points such as the upper and lower CRT

deflection

plates in order to force them to be at the same voltage. This

should force

the trace to be centered vertcially and should not damage the

circuitry. If

the trace is centered with the CRT vertical deflection plates

shorted

together (this is also the same as shorting the collectors of

the

vertical

output stage transistors together), it is a very good indication

that the CRT

itself is good.

Next, you can remove the short and move it to the emitters of

Q394

and Q494.

If the trace is once again centered vertically, most likely Q394

and Q494 are

good. Next, move the short to the base of Q374 and the base of

Q474. If the

trace is once again centered, most likely Q374 and Q474 are

good.

You can

work your way a stage at a time through the vertical amplifier

this

way until

you do not get a centered trace. Now you are very close to the

problem and

it is time to check for shorted or open transistors in this

immediate area.

Be careful not to brush ground with the loose end of the short

wire

while the

instrument is powered up and the other end is connected because

you

will have

a LOT of destroyed transistors if you do that . . . Also, be

sure

BOTH ends

of the short wire are disconnected before connecting one end to

another part

of the circuit . . .

Let me know how this works for you.

Stan

w7ni@e................................................................

....................................................................

..

Stan,
I got no farther than Q374 and Q474,
I replaced both transistors and the output transistors collector
voltage dropped to 40.5 and 35.2 volts. The trace is now in the

upper

half of screen and I have a small deflection of a square wave

signal

so gain is poor. Should Q374and Q474 be a matched duo?
This thing about having to touch the collectors to start the
transistors to conduct is really odd, you don't have to leave the
probe on just make a momentary contact with deflection pin or
collector.
I don't have a manual for this thing so I'm working mostly in the
dark. I would like to thank you very much for all the help you

have

given me. mike

Hi Mike,

You really need a 454 manual. The one I was using to remind me of

the Q

numbers was the one I now have up for sale on eBay right now. You

should

look at auction #1226363944 and think about bidding on it.

You probably have found at least one bad transistor, or maybe two.

You can

test those for most defects with an ohmmeter right on the bench.

The next thing I would do is short the emitters of Q394 and Q494

and see if

this forces the trace to the center of the screen. If it does,

then I would

say Q394 and Q494 are good and you need to progress with the

shorting process

to the previous stage, etc.

You really need the manual . . .

Stan
w7ni@e...

......................................................................
Stan,
Well I have located a manual, I bid on the one you had on Ebay but
it got out of hand in short order! ( I know you were happy!)
Anyway I have located my problems. (plural) turns out someone had
lifted the end of D388 to check it at some time and the choke on the
back side of the board had come off. Also Q388 was bad I replaced the
transistor and resoldered the choke and things got interesting! The
position controls were working but gain was still way off. I started
checking for gain in each stage from the delay line and
got as far as Q 464,364 at this point gain fell drastically! :( Well
I Pulled those and low and behold they were npn not the expected pnp,
I replaced with two 151-0193 and I have a new scope!!!!
(This scope came from IBM so I really don't Know what to think about
this?)
So in closing I want to thank you for all your help It was very nice
of you to take the time. Now I have this 2213 that the trace only
covers half of screen........
thanks. Mike Smith

Thanks Emanuele for your extensive coverage for cleaning the pots of
an 475. I'm sure more people appreciate this nice stor, because it is
one of the most common failure's in 465, and 475 scopes, probably the
best scope line ever build by Tektronix.

Fred de Vries, Holland

--- In TekScopes@y..., Michael Dunn <mdunn@c...> wrote:

547 (my workhorse bench scope), 549, the enormous 555 scoposaurus,

575

Do you know how the 555 differs from that other monster, the

556?

I would love to have a 556. They are both massive double beam machines
but there are quite a few differences. The 556 is in one piece while
the 555 is quite a bit larger and has a separate power supply. The 555
has 4 plugins, 2 vertical and 2 special timebases while the 556 has
built in timebases. The 555 has twin distributed amplifiers and lumped
delay lines while I'm pretty sure the 556 has 549 type vertical amps
with a coaxial line and a pair of 8608s. They're different enough to
make them both desirable but unfortunately not many 556s made it down
here.

and many plugins including a homebrew spectrum analyzer built into

an

old plugin caracass

Please tell us something about your spectrum analyzer!

It's based on the unit described in QST in 1999 by Wes Hayward and
another fellow whose name escapes me. Wes (W7ZOI) has a website with
pictures of various versions including an early shot of mine before I
found an attenuator for it. You can probably find it by doing a
search. It goes up to 80 MHz and has 5 KHz resolution at its best. I
had to design an interface to the Tek plugin specification which works
quite well even if I say so myself.

Morris

--- In TekScopes@y..., dhuster@p... wrote:

Bill,

Don't play with the gain. Both channels are affected the same way,
and that pretty much says that the problem is in the vertical

output amplifier. First thing to check is the collector load
resistors
that

go from the board up to the terminal post. If they're the beige,
rectangular, silicone-covered resistors, they may be your problem.
They're double-counterwound, inductance-cancelling resistors and a
common problem is that one of the two internal parallel windings
opens up, increasing the resistor value by a factor of two. Those
were Tek-made parts and Tek quit making them (they were very
troubleshome) and started using outsourced parts. If one or both

of

those resistors have an open winding, they'll be inductive, the

gain

will be 'way low and the pulse response will be a HUGE ringing.

Dean

Dean, thanks for your quick response. I m not sure which collector
load resistors you are speaking of but you mention them going from
the video output amp board to the terminal assy. so I assume you mean
the two 18 ohm resistors which couple the next to last output stages
(Q4478 & Q4468) to the final output stage drivers. These appear to be
OEM and measure 18 ohms as they should.

If you are referring to the collector resistors of the final stage,
they are 430 ohm wire wounds at 7 watts. The final coupling resistors
to the vertical plates are indeed TEK home grown which consist of a
200 ohm resister paralleled with a .3uh choke winding. These have
almost no DC resistance for obvious reasons. BTW, there are two
different versions of the TEK video output amplifier and I have the
discreet component version as you can probably tell by now.

As you suggested, I am looking at component values but haven't found
anything suspicious yet. Your help is appreciated.

Bill

Bill,

Don't play with the gain. Both channels are affected the same way,
and that pretty much says that the problem is in the vertical output
amplifier. First thing to check is the collector load resistors that
go from the board up to the terminal post. If they're the beige,
rectangular, silicone-covered resistors, they may be your problem.
They're double-counterwound, inductance-cancelling resistors and a
common problem is that one of the two internal parallel windings
opens up, increasing the resistor value by a factor of two. Those
were Tek-made parts and Tek quit making them (they were very
troubleshome) and started using outsourced parts. If one or both of
those resistors have an open winding, they'll be inductive, the gain
will be 'way low and the pulse response will be a HUGE ringing.

Dean

Hello, I just discovered this group and look forward to
participating.
Right now I can use some technical help, though.

I am wrestling with a TEK 465 in the 32xxx serial # range that seems
to work fine in all areas except vertical position display. Both
channels have the same symptom, that is they have what seems to be an
accurate display when the vertical position is centered, but when the
position control for either channel is moved to either the top or
bottom of the screen, the trace only goes as far as the next to last
graticule and the signal gets compressed in amplitude until it
disappears altogether. I have been spending most of my troubeshooting
time in the vertical amplifier module because it appears that at
least one stage may be driving into cutoff or just the oposite (too
low gain) because the voltages on the vertical deflection plates do
not show the movement that the manual indicates. I have not yet tried
adjusting the gain pot because I need to find a signal source
compatible with the manual procedure on this. The manual gives you
the process but not much theory to allow for deviation.

If anyone has seen this before or has any suggestions, I would
appreciate hearing it. BTW, I am using a 453 to troubleshoot which
has an intermittent high voltage supply. That will be the next
project. Thanks in advance, good to have found this group.

Bill Wollam

Hello,
I just found out about this group and decided to join. I've got an
interesting collection of Tek scopes and other stuff, consisting of
three RM561As, a 551, a 181A time mark generator, a 106 square wave
generator, about 12 plugins, HP 523DR (tube frequency counter!), two
HP122ARs (HP tube scope), North Atlantic Phase Angle Voltmeter, Fluke
Differential Voltmeter, Kepco Power Supply, Waveforms
Oscillator/voltmeter, 4 radios, 2 TVs (tube, one color, one B/W), an
organ (Estey, 1961), Sherwood AM/FM tuner, Dynaco PAS-2, home made
tube amp. I have a few other pieces of test equipment that are
solid-state. Not looking so much to increase the size of my
collection, more interested in keeping it all working and sharing
ideas and stories with others.

George