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Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book

 

I think the modules in the racks look a bit too complex to be digital modules. Perhaps its not a digital computer but an analogue one?

cheers
Martin


Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book

 

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:55 AM Dave Peterson via groups.io
<davidpinsf@...> wrote:
Thought folks might be entertained by this picture I found. Currently helping my wife with downsizing her mothers household. Came across this book:



And inside found:

/g/TekScopes/photo/266495/3272287?p=Name,,,20,0,0,0

How many Tek Scopes can you find? Any guesses what they're working on? And any chance anyone knows who is in the picture?
Interesting picture. It looks like they're working on a
valve/tube-based computer of some sort, and there's an odd mixture of
technology in use. What look like mid-1980s PCs with 500 series scopes
as well as a 453 (or 454) and various 465s or similar. I'd guess it's
a restoration project of some sort but I can't identify the computer.

Chris


Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book

 

From Tim P (UK)
Early computers, such as Colossus, EDVAC, EDSAC, Whirlwind etc. were built
on open relay racks. I wonder if the photo shows a reconstruction, or
'working model' of an early machine. Any guesses on the date from the
'scopes and PCs in use ?
Tim



On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 07:12, cheater cheater <cheater00social@...>
wrote:

Great find. Few pictures of these actually performing their job in a
real environment.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:55 AM Dave Peterson via groups.io
<davidpinsf@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Thought folks might be entertained by this picture I found. Currently
helping my wife with downsizing her mothers household. Came across this
book:



And inside found:

/g/TekScopes/photo/266495/3272287?p=Name,,,20,0,0,0

How many Tek Scopes can you find? Any guesses what they're working on?
And any chance anyone knows who is in the picture?

There wasn't any specific information on the picture in the book. The
subject was more general computers in technology. The book is currently on
a slow boat back home, so I might be able to do more research once I'm able
to dig it back out.

Dave









Re: Tek Scopes found in old picture book

 

Great find. Few pictures of these actually performing their job in a
real environment.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 7:55 AM Dave Peterson via groups.io
<davidpinsf@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Thought folks might be entertained by this picture I found. Currently helping my wife with downsizing her mothers household. Came across this book:



And inside found:

/g/TekScopes/photo/266495/3272287?p=Name,,,20,0,0,0

How many Tek Scopes can you find? Any guesses what they're working on? And any chance anyone knows who is in the picture?

There wasn't any specific information on the picture in the book. The subject was more general computers in technology. The book is currently on a slow boat back home, so I might be able to do more research once I'm able to dig it back out.

Dave





Tek Scopes found in old picture book

 

Hi All,

Thought folks might be entertained by this picture I found. Currently helping my wife with downsizing her mothers household. Came across this book:



And inside found:

/g/TekScopes/photo/266495/3272287?p=Name,,,20,0,0,0

How many Tek Scopes can you find? Any guesses what they're working on? And any chance anyone knows who is in the picture?

There wasn't any specific information on the picture in the book. The subject was more general computers in technology. The book is currently on a slow boat back home, so I might be able to do more research once I'm able to dig it back out.

Dave


Re: 5642 rectifier tubes in a Tek 535: Replace or swap for silicone?

 

Dom,

The filament windings can be left on or taken off. Check the high voltage when they are replaced. Clean the high voltage area to remove dust, dirt, etc. to eliminate leakage paths, if you have not already cleaned it.

The diodes I mentioned are not the only ones that can be used. If you are in the US and want them faster, use 2CL2 in the search. That will show the series that is currently for sale. There are ones in the states that have a higher voltage and a higher price than the H version. Corroded through wires on 5642s I have seen and replaced them with Si types. The Si replacements will have a lower voltage drop than the 5642s. That may alter the high voltage enough to adjust it. The higher current Si types have lower drop than the low current types of the same voltage. At these voltages, the drop is not a problem, more of information. The prices of these are good. They should not have to be replaced again. A one-time investment. Any spares you will likely use.

I hope you get your scopes working right. I have a fully restored 535A I like to use at times.

Mark


Re: 7000 test/cal module(s) and backplane breakout board.

 

Eric,
if I understand correctly, the board you are making for the 7854
isn't a replacement for the 067-0587-xx boards, but something to do with
the digital capabilities of the 7854, is that correct ?

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 10:46 PM Eric <ericsp@...> wrote:

Andy, if you need lots of pictures of the cal fixtures let me know I have a
-01 and -02 here in the lab. I am also in process for a test board for a
7854. I had a unit arrive today.... destroyed by the shipper and bad
packing. It will at least give me something to test on. I'll be in to board
layout shortly.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 10:35 PM Andy Warner <andyw@...> wrote:

I have a 7904A, that I intend to keep in good working order.
However, I've not seen many cal fixtures on the market and reckon the
prices are only going to go in one direction for the near future. I am
planning to design one or more cal fixture(s) using modern components. I
figure I'll learn a lot more about the scope in the process, have some
fun,
share the designs, and hopefully others can find the work useful.

Step 1 in this process is a simple passive breakout board for the
backplane
connections, to allow me to experiment and prototype things. I checked
the
archives and did not see an existing design, so I cooked one up. The
v1 boards are just back from fab and I have uploaded some photos here:
/g/TekScopes/album?id=266487 I am in the process of
mounting the board in a parted-out 7A26 module frame that I had on-hand,
will update more photos as I continue (assuming there is interest.)

This board brings out the high speed signals to BNCs and the low speed
signals to screw connectors. The low speed signals are grouped roughly by
function (power, readout, IEEE-488, misc.) Be aware that for this
version,
I did not match the high speed signal path lengths, or worry too much
about
impedance.

I'll probably create a project page somewhere with the eagle files, the
BOM, and progress as I work on cal/test fixtures, if anyone wants to
follow
along. Look for an update when I get organized enough to do that.

--
Andy









--
Andy


Re: 7000 test/cal module(s) and backplane breakout board.

 

Andy, if you need lots of pictures of the cal fixtures let me know I have a
-01 and -02 here in the lab. I am also in process for a test board for a
7854. I had a unit arrive today.... destroyed by the shipper and bad
packing. It will at least give me something to test on. I'll be in to board
layout shortly.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 10:35 PM Andy Warner <andyw@...> wrote:

I have a 7904A, that I intend to keep in good working order.
However, I've not seen many cal fixtures on the market and reckon the
prices are only going to go in one direction for the near future. I am
planning to design one or more cal fixture(s) using modern components. I
figure I'll learn a lot more about the scope in the process, have some fun,
share the designs, and hopefully others can find the work useful.

Step 1 in this process is a simple passive breakout board for the backplane
connections, to allow me to experiment and prototype things. I checked the
archives and did not see an existing design, so I cooked one up. The
v1 boards are just back from fab and I have uploaded some photos here:
/g/TekScopes/album?id=266487 I am in the process of
mounting the board in a parted-out 7A26 module frame that I had on-hand,
will update more photos as I continue (assuming there is interest.)

This board brings out the high speed signals to BNCs and the low speed
signals to screw connectors. The low speed signals are grouped roughly by
function (power, readout, IEEE-488, misc.) Be aware that for this version,
I did not match the high speed signal path lengths, or worry too much about
impedance.

I'll probably create a project page somewhere with the eagle files, the
BOM, and progress as I work on cal/test fixtures, if anyone wants to follow
along. Look for an update when I get organized enough to do that.

--
Andy






Re: DM502 with problems

 

Glad it was something so simple and cheap to fix -- just a 555 instead of some left-handed unobtainium hydroxide.

-- Cheers,
Tom

--
Prof. Thomas H. Lee
Allen Ctr., Rm. 205
350 Jane Stanford Way
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305-4070

On 7/26/2021 19:36, Richard Peterson wrote:
Quick update to close the loop. I went through the components related to the NE555 timer and concluded that it was, indeed, a dead IC. I injected a 20.48 kHz signal at the output of the NE555 and the display came to life. I replaced the IC and its working great. Calibration was pretty much spot on as far as i can tell with my limited testing. Thanks again for all the feedback. Another TM504 lives along with the PS503A, FG502 and of course the DM502 that came with it. The fourth slot has a storage box that had an unused temperature probe & manual and a variety of test leads, banana jumpers and some odd push-in BNC jumpers with molded plastic ends that fit into a female BNC and will accept a male BNC on the back side of the plug. Looks great along side the TM503 . . .

Rich




Re: 5642 rectifier tubes in a Tek 535: Replace or swap for silicone?

 

HI Mark,

Thanks for your advice. I can see the one's you're talking about on fleabay- they're certainly a good price. I'll be replacing all five because I'd imagine the corrosion that ate through the legs of the others is probably affecting all of them.

Forgive my ignorance but I'd imagine that removing the 5642 heater loops from the HV transfomer won't have any significant affect on the output of the HV section? I guess it'll need to be recalibrated but can I just install the diodes and remove the heater loops without any further modification?

Thanks again for your advice,

Cheers Dom.


Re: 5642 rectifier tubes in a Tek 535: Replace or swap for silicone?

 

Hi Mike,

That's terrific- certainly a lot cheaper than the diodes from Digikey. I hadn't seen that site before and it looks like they have some great stuff! I'll have a browse now and I'll let you know how I go.

Thanks again for your advice- I really appreciate it.

Kind regards,

Dom.


Re: DM502 with problems

 

Quick update to close the loop. I went through the components related to the NE555 timer and concluded that it was, indeed, a dead IC. I injected a 20.48 kHz signal at the output of the NE555 and the display came to life. I replaced the IC and its working great. Calibration was pretty much spot on as far as i can tell with my limited testing. Thanks again for all the feedback. Another TM504 lives along with the PS503A, FG502 and of course the DM502 that came with it. The fourth slot has a storage box that had an unused temperature probe & manual and a variety of test leads, banana jumpers and some odd push-in BNC jumpers with molded plastic ends that fit into a female BNC and will accept a male BNC on the back side of the plug. Looks great along side the TM503 . . .

Rich


7000 test/cal module(s) and backplane breakout board.

 

I have a 7904A, that I intend to keep in good working order.
However, I've not seen many cal fixtures on the market and reckon the
prices are only going to go in one direction for the near future. I am
planning to design one or more cal fixture(s) using modern components. I
figure I'll learn a lot more about the scope in the process, have some fun,
share the designs, and hopefully others can find the work useful.

Step 1 in this process is a simple passive breakout board for the backplane
connections, to allow me to experiment and prototype things. I checked the
archives and did not see an existing design, so I cooked one up. The
v1 boards are just back from fab and I have uploaded some photos here:
/g/TekScopes/album?id=266487 I am in the process of
mounting the board in a parted-out 7A26 module frame that I had on-hand,
will update more photos as I continue (assuming there is interest.)

This board brings out the high speed signals to BNCs and the low speed
signals to screw connectors. The low speed signals are grouped roughly by
function (power, readout, IEEE-488, misc.) Be aware that for this version,
I did not match the high speed signal path lengths, or worry too much about
impedance.

I'll probably create a project page somewhere with the eagle files, the
BOM, and progress as I work on cal/test fixtures, if anyone wants to follow
along. Look for an update when I get organized enough to do that.

--
Andy


Re: Paper Used in Older Tek Manuals

 

Greetings,

Just FYI, both of my Ibico punches are combination machines.

One has an electric driven punch the other is manual. Both have a section on the top of the unit used to install or remove the comb.

Enter a search for "Ibico comb binding machine" and you should get an assortment of images.

I like this style of binding documents.

Take care,

Ken

On 26Jul, 2021, at 6:22 PM, Michael W. Lynch via groups.io <mlynch003@...> wrote:

Get the comb binding punch and the installer as well. Two pieces are necessary.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR





Re: Paper Used in Older Tek Manuals

 

Get the comb binding punch and the installer as well. Two pieces are necessary.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Re: Paper Used in Older Tek Manuals

 

Get a Comb binding tool if you can get one cheap.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Re: Paper Used in Older Tek Manuals

 

re: multiple copies, yeah Dave, it can get pretty bad pretty quick! My wife has an easy solution. I can have as many manuals as I can fit in one double drawer file cabinet. :-)

For my part, sometimes I do have two copies - these days, usually a printed from electronic version in a three-ring binder. This is my "scratch and dent" version. I mark it up, leave it on the bench, get it dirty, etc. Then I have a "real" factory manual that I try to keep nice.

Jeff, talking about those comb binder installation tools, I think I saw a couple of those out at the local State Property Redistribution Warehouse a couple of weeks ago. I didn't pay too much attention, but now I'm starting to wonder if I should go grab them.

Those spiral or comb style or whatever they're supposed to be called are kind of snazzy.

Keith


Re: Paper Used in Older Tek Manuals

 

Why would one want multiple paper copies of a manual? I copy pages (mostly schematics) when I want to annotate them while troubleshooting, but I have eight file cabinet drawers of manuals. Having extra copies of them would be untenable.

The few non-original manuals that I have (mostly from Artek manuals) are bound with comb bindings. Three-ring binders take up too much space; many of the HP manuals that I have are huge (the manual set for the HP 8566B comes to mind).

DaveD

On Jul 26, 2021, at 18:06, Jeff Dutky <jeff.dutky@...> wrote:

?Also, a number of my Tek manuals, including the one that I just printed out from a PDF, were punched for both comb binding and three ring binding. Most of the manuals that I have with three-ring holes punched are BIG (e.g. the service manuals for the 475 and 2236). For the thinner manuals I can see where you might want to keep several of them in a big D-ring binder, but for the thick ones I don't see how that is practical. Does anyone know what the intent of this was?

-- Jeff Dutky





Re: Paper Used in Older Tek Manuals

 

Remove the comb and put it in a 3 ring binder? I've seen manuals from other manufacturers where they show a picture of what the manual will look like but when you get it it's actually in a 3 ring binder.

Vince.

On 07/26/2021 06:06 PM, Jeff Dutky wrote:
Also, a number of my Tek manuals, including the one that I just printed out from a PDF, were punched for both comb binding and three ring binding. Most of the manuals that I have with three-ring holes punched are BIG (e.g. the service manuals for the 475 and 2236). For the thinner manuals I can see where you might want to keep several of them in a big D-ring binder, but for the thick ones I don't see how that is practical. Does anyone know what the intent of this was?

-- Jeff Dutky



--
Michigan VHF Corporation -- nobucks dot net
K8ZW -


Re: Paper Used in Older Tek Manuals

 

Also, a number of my Tek manuals, including the one that I just printed out from a PDF, were punched for both comb binding and three ring binding. Most of the manuals that I have with three-ring holes punched are BIG (e.g. the service manuals for the 475 and 2236). For the thinner manuals I can see where you might want to keep several of them in a big D-ring binder, but for the thick ones I don't see how that is practical. Does anyone know what the intent of this was?

-- Jeff Dutky