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Re: Tektronix 585A Voltage Diagnoses Problem edited

 

Albert,

I checked the voltages and here is what I measured after a 10 minute warm up;

Tube Pin Voltage

V609 7 -107.4

V624 6 +1.5
7 -107.6
2 -104.0

V634 6 -38.0
7 and 2 -87.0
1 -87.1
4 -2.4

V627 9 +69.0
V637 same
V647 same


As you mentioned in you previous reply I found that pins 6 and 7 of V624 vary widely. I changed that 12AX7 with no change.

Thanks Again,

Randy


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting Tektronix PS280

daven9ooq
 

Hi John, Yes Thanks this is the kind of help I need , Yes did check the secondaries voltage wise but not under load,? ?I'm rather busy lately and I have to confess I have not done the math to calculate the resistance I need for a 2amp load.?I dought I have the resistors in the wattage I need,? I do have a 2ohm 100 watt resistor handy. I have a bunch of others on order from china expect them in about a week.?
I'm expecting my stepson? ?to immigrate to the U.S. From the Philippines Thursday the 28th . so lots to prepare and hard to predict how much time I will have in the future.??Hopefully next week I will have more time? but working one handed due to strokes , so it will have to be spread out over days if not weeks!
But yes this is the correct methods? for troubleshooting taking nothing for granted.
?Yes I did print out the schematic but did not page them togeather as I should have.
I do see the +and - 15volts comming of the references on both sides , there are 4 fullwave bridge rectifiers I have checked both variable sides I recapped all filters , Im forced to kind of short cut? testing everything, due to time constraints and lack of a variable load.
I do very much appreciate your methods though and will go back ,when time permits? and report the results so others can learn? from this , This is what this group is for.?
Many Thanks John!Daven9ooq


Re: Tektronix 585A Voltage Diagnoses Problem edited

 

Checking these voltages now. Thanks Albert


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting Tektronix PS280

daven9ooq
 

Hi Steve , Can you tell me more, were the banana plugs over tightened? , or its it a manufacturer defect, have you repaired it ,if so how, please tell us more!?
Many ThanksDaven9ooq


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting Tektronix PS280

daven9ooq
 

Thanks for the comment I Think we established the PS280 was not made by Tektronix although it carries their? name, and was out sourced toGoodwill industries.
I really could use some help troubleshooting this supply? I did a full recap on the 2 -0-30volt supplies, they do go down to 0 volts and in fact will go negative if you adjust it so, At present I am getting about 15 volts max. on the main side and little to nothing on the slave side, waiting for load resistors to come, maybe about a week more,? There is a Theroy of operation in the manual one Tekwiki although the manual is for a different? version, all versions seem to use the same circuitry , just different construction and appearance.
I'm quite busy at the moment and in the near future, I really could use to get this off my bench quick but could use help with Ideas on what to check and how to proceed.
Many thanks in advance!
Daven9ooq.


Re: Tek P6xxx probe reference question

Richard Tyner
 

Dave thanks for the information on the catalogs. I was not aware of the wifi site. I will have a look.

Thanks again

Richard W4MCD


Modeling The Bipolar Transistor - Ian Getreu - third printing 1979

Phillip Potter
 

Hi all,

Well, I bought this book thinking I could study it to learn more about curve tracing (I have a 575), only to find that it is WAY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE!

I would like to get this into the hands of someone who would appreciate it.

Contact me off list if you are interested in it. Thanks.

Phil_in_CA


Re: 2247A PSU Troubleshooting

peter bunge
 

Stand on a rubber mat and keep one hand in your pocket. Know where the
other hand is at all times.
Avoid live testing if possible, clip the leads on before powering. Use a
shorting stick. Tag switches if high power.
Work with someone you trust. Common sense.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 9:52 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

You imagine that you are protecting yourself, but your
protection efforts remind me of the comic routines where
some hapless character gets dressed in a hazardous waste
suit, complete with a hockey mask, ski goggles, tongs, and
oven mitts all to take a soiled diaper out to the trash.

A linesman's glove so completely eliminates any dexterity,
that safe manipulation of something as tiny as an anode
lead is awkward at best... all to protect you from a zap
that is no more potent than a static zap to a doorknob in
the winter.

Latex surgeon's gloves during electronic work, is a fool's
folly beyond belief. The glove, by virtue of its sealed
nature will capture your hands sweat, covering them with
a highly conductive layer that is capable of reducing your
skin's protective resistance to a point where even 24V could
conduct enough current into your heart to be fatal.

Further, DC rarely if ever can cause a heart to enter a fatal
rhythm. It will, at most, skip a beat, and continue on in
its normal rhythm.

Stop trying to improvise safety, you lack the experience to
be able to recognize safe and unsafe methods. Instead, please
study some legitimate sources, and learn about HV safety, as
it pertains to TV and radio repair. If you can't, please,
please do your friends and family a favor, and take up stamp
collecting, or golf.

-Chuck Harris

nielsentelecom@... wrote:
Chuck,

The only use of the linesman glove was to put the HT anode lead
somewhere that would hold it from moving, and to keep it away from me. I
never implied to wear them while working in electronics, they also have a
leather shell glove to protect the linesman glove from damage.

But I do use latex gloves when doing this work, I'm not relying on them
to protect me, but rather to add a weak safety net, since I have them lying
around, they improve grip, and add a decent layer of uncertified
protection, but they tear easily.

This reply is a little dated I know, haven't been following the thread
for awhile.

NielsenTelecom



Re: 2247A PSU Troubleshooting

 

And, come to think of it, latex gloves probably generate electrostatic discharge.? Sensitive components like CMOS logic could be damaged.? I would avoid any kind of gloves while working on electronics.? Maybe ESD-safe finger cots, but I have never seen the need for those.Jim Ford?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> Date: 8/27/19 6:52 AM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2247A PSU Troubleshooting You imagine that you are protecting yourself, but yourprotection efforts remind me of the comic routines wheresome hapless character gets dressed in a hazardous wastesuit, complete with a hockey mask, ski goggles, tongs, andoven mitts all to take a soiled diaper out to the trash.A linesman's glove so completely eliminates any dexterity,that safe manipulation of something as tiny as an anodelead is awkward at best... all to protect you from a zapthat is no more potent than a static zap to a doorknob inthe winter.Latex surgeon's gloves during electronic work, is a fool'sfolly beyond belief.? The glove, by virtue of its sealednature will capture your hands sweat, covering them witha highly conductive layer that is capable of reducing yourskin's protective resistance to a point where even 24V couldconduct enough current into your heart to be fatal.Further, DC rarely if ever can cause a heart to enter a fatalrhythm.? It will, at most, skip a beat, and continue on inits normal rhythm.Stop trying to improvise safety, you lack the experience tobe able to recognize safe and unsafe methods.? Instead, pleasestudy some legitimate sources, and learn about HV safety, asit pertains to TV and radio repair.? If you can't, please,please do your friends and family a favor, and take up stampcollecting, or golf.-Chuck Harrisnielsentelecom@... wrote:> Chuck,> > The only use of the linesman glove was to put the HT anode lead somewhere that would hold it from moving, and to keep it away from me. I never implied to wear them while working in electronics, they also have a leather shell glove to protect the linesman glove from damage.> > But I do use latex gloves when doing this work, I'm not relying on them to protect me, but rather to add a weak safety net, since I have them lying around, they improve grip, and add a decent layer of uncertified protection, but they tear easily.> > This reply is a little dated I know, haven't been following the thread for awhile.> > NielsenTelecom


Re: 2247A PSU Troubleshooting

Chuck Harris
 

You imagine that you are protecting yourself, but your
protection efforts remind me of the comic routines where
some hapless character gets dressed in a hazardous waste
suit, complete with a hockey mask, ski goggles, tongs, and
oven mitts all to take a soiled diaper out to the trash.

A linesman's glove so completely eliminates any dexterity,
that safe manipulation of something as tiny as an anode
lead is awkward at best... all to protect you from a zap
that is no more potent than a static zap to a doorknob in
the winter.

Latex surgeon's gloves during electronic work, is a fool's
folly beyond belief. The glove, by virtue of its sealed
nature will capture your hands sweat, covering them with
a highly conductive layer that is capable of reducing your
skin's protective resistance to a point where even 24V could
conduct enough current into your heart to be fatal.

Further, DC rarely if ever can cause a heart to enter a fatal
rhythm. It will, at most, skip a beat, and continue on in
its normal rhythm.

Stop trying to improvise safety, you lack the experience to
be able to recognize safe and unsafe methods. Instead, please
study some legitimate sources, and learn about HV safety, as
it pertains to TV and radio repair. If you can't, please,
please do your friends and family a favor, and take up stamp
collecting, or golf.

-Chuck Harris

nielsentelecom@... wrote:

Chuck,

The only use of the linesman glove was to put the HT anode lead somewhere that would hold it from moving, and to keep it away from me. I never implied to wear them while working in electronics, they also have a leather shell glove to protect the linesman glove from damage.

But I do use latex gloves when doing this work, I'm not relying on them to protect me, but rather to add a weak safety net, since I have them lying around, they improve grip, and add a decent layer of uncertified protection, but they tear easily.

This reply is a little dated I know, haven't been following the thread for awhile.

NielsenTelecom


Concordosky curve tracer 576

 





-----Mensaje original-----
De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de Miguel Work
Enviado el: domingo, 25 de agosto de 2019 20:53
Para: [email protected]
Asunto: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Transformer winding

Hi Peter,

Mine moves exactly one division too

Vert Offset Horiz Pol Max Peak Series Resistor
Left/Right
0.5mA 0 50v +NPN 1500v 3k (220W) off (no
component)
Turn the variable collector supply so the trace reaches to 10 div. What happens to the left end of the trace? Mine moves over 1 div.


-----Mensaje original-----
De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de peter bunge Enviado el: domingo, 25 de agosto de 2019 18:34
Para: [email protected]
Asunto: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Transformer winding

This may be of interest to the Tek Group so I am going on line again.
I got my 576 working again.
It was one of the push-on connectors on the top left board. I have had trouble with those long ago on a 465 scope. I just ran an insulated rod along them until the trace re-appeared. I will have to go around the entire curve tracer with a pair of plyers and pull off and push on each one. It solves many problems.
I would appreciate you doing a couple of tests:
Vert Offset Horiz Pol Max Peak Series Resistor
Left/Right
0.5mA 0 50v +NPN 1500v 3k (220W) off (no
component)
Turn the variable collector supply so the trace reaches to 10 div. What happens to the left end of the trace? Mine moves over 1 div.
Reset to the following with a 2N3565 (high gain NPN)
2uA 0 0.1v +NPN 10v 30 ohm Step Gen,
0.05 uA, Zero, Steps, Rep Norm, 3 steps
turn the collector to full scale as shown (1 volt). The first trace is not really dim, it is the camera.
Do you see a similar set of curves. I am most interested in the looping.
[image: 2N3565.jpg]

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 3:11 PM Miguel Work <harrimansat@...> wrote:

I have two 576, if you told me which test you need to compare, I will
do it with mine. Do you know ferrite core specs? Could be changed some
transformer HV turns for a voltage multiplier?



FERRITE CORE E 20 N27
Core Type : E
Core Size : E20/10/6
Core Material Grade : N27
For Use With : -
Effective Magnetic Path Length : 46.3mm Ae Effective Cross Section
Area : 32.1mm? Inductance Factor Al : 1.3?H Product Range : B66311
Series SVHC : No SVHC (15-Jun-2015) Accessory Type : Ferrite Core
Material Grade : N27 -----Mensaje original-----
De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de
peter bunge Enviado el: s¨¢bado, 24 de agosto de 2019 16:08
Para: [email protected]
Asunto: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Transformer winding

Thanks David for your generous offer;
Where do they get the cores to make a compatible transformer that
works in the 576 circuit. This is not a 115v 60 Hz transformer.
A friend suggested a plate transformer and doublers or triplers. 225v
is also needed.
I have been looking at using a 4 kV and 225 V switching power supplies
from China and I have used some for other projects. They tend to be
noisy but can be cleaned up.
Since my 576 is still working there is no great urgency.
I also want to look at my friend's 577 and compare it to my 576. His
is smaller and lighter but may not do as much.
My 576 does weird things at lower currents (all loops) and PNP do not
seem to work the same as NPN (lack of steps) so the transformer is not
the only issue. I spent a couple of days working on it a few years ago
but could not improve it.
I need to find someone with a 576 and compare traces to see if mine is
"normal".
I need the 1500v capability which rules out some of the newer ones
which are also more expensive.
I will think about your offer.
Peter

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:28 PM drawding@...
<drawding@...
wrote:

Yes. David Rawding is still here.

: )

I bought five professionally made transformers. One was donated to
Bob for his kind help. Two were used by me. Two were sold. I am
all
out.

Another run is ~ $1k for 5 more. Five is the minimum order. A bit
pricey, I know. However, they are made by a professional
transformer company. Fully enclosed and potted in silicone. If you
consider what technical wages are today and overhead and materials,
I would say it is fair pricing. However, at the hobby level, it is pricey.

If we can find five buyers (though this seems unlikely), I will
handle the details, and will sell at my cost + shipping.

Also, as you can see from this thread several people have been
successful winding their own.

One gentleman came here a year or so ago, asked a bunch of
questions, got great support from the group, ended up successfully
winding his own, and left. He was asked to put some details
together (pictures, documentation, video, etc), but apparently could not be bothered.

I hope you find a solution.

Thanks,
Dave









Re: Tek 561 HV transformer

Roy Morgan
 

Hi,

If your 561 HV transformer is acting badly, try heating it with a lamp reflector for a day or so to get the moisture out of it.

A college instructor whose lab has a number of 561¡¯s did this each summer to get the scopes to run right again for the fall classes.

Roy sends.

On Aug 26, 2019, at 11:48 PM, atwood.1@... wrote:

Does anyone have the winding data for the 561 HV transformer? The manual shows it to be Tektronix part 120-225. thanks



Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar

 

Be warned, IIRC the linkage that connects between the front panel knobs and
the spindles on the HV box must be electrically insulating.

You so don't want 1kV on the front panel knobs!

David

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig
Sawyers
Sent: 27 August 2019 08:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series
Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar

I've just checked my spares unit, and it is also missing the dual knobs!

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of garp66
Sent: 27 August 2019 04:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series
Resistor mechanical linkage
& knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar

hi,
Does anyone know about the following mechanical bits on 576 CT front
panel ?

a) Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor linkage mechanism:
I am missing the dual knobs for this & the mechanical (coaxial ?) linkage
that extends about 2"
behind
the front panel to the actual rotary switch inside.
-- Does anyone have a spare linkage unit with the two outer knobs or a
detailed diagram of this ?

b) The Multiplier Pot with its silver fine gradation knob:
my Multiplier Pot has been pushed in all the way, hanging inside the
instrument !
-- How is this Pot re-afixed to the front panel ?

Is there a retention ring, bezel, collar or something ?
-- Does anyone have these bits or a detailed diagram ?

thank you,
rick


Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar

Craig Sawyers
 

I've just checked my spares unit, and it is also missing the dual knobs!

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of garp66
Sent: 27 August 2019 04:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage
& knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar

hi,
Does anyone know about the following mechanical bits on 576 CT front panel ?

a) Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor linkage mechanism:
I am missing the dual knobs for this & the mechanical (coaxial ?) linkage that extends about 2"
behind
the front panel to the actual rotary switch inside.
-- Does anyone have a spare linkage unit with the two outer knobs or a detailed diagram of this ?

b) The Multiplier Pot with its silver fine gradation knob:
my Multiplier Pot has been pushed in all the way, hanging inside the instrument !
-- How is this Pot re-afixed to the front panel ?

Is there a retention ring, bezel, collar or something ?
-- Does anyone have these bits or a detailed diagram ?

thank you,
rick


Re: FG502 Troubleshooting Help Requested

 

Thank you Roger. I will try these out over the next couple nights and report back. Much appreciated. Dave


Tek 561 HV transformer

 

Does anyone have the winding data for the 561 HV transformer? The manual shows it to be Tektronix part 120-225. thanks


Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar

 

Rick,
I cannot help with the first item.
Speaking to the second item. The offset pot is held by a plastic cup which is affixed behind the knobs of the pot. This plastic part is not available, except by pure luck or good fortune. I had to actually make one for my Type 576 on my lathe from a block of Delrin nylon. It takes quite some time to duplicate this part, but it can be done.

Best of luck in your search.
--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar

 

hi,
Does anyone know about the following mechanical bits on 576 CT front panel ?

a) Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor linkage mechanism:
I am missing the dual knobs for this & the mechanical (coaxial ?) linkage that extends about 2" behind the front panel to the actual rotary switch inside.
-- Does anyone have a spare linkage unit with the two outer knobs or a detailed diagram of this ?

b) The Multiplier Pot with its silver fine gradation knob:
my Multiplier Pot has been pushed in all the way, hanging inside the instrument !
-- How is this Pot re-afixed to the front panel ?

Is there a retention ring, bezel, collar or something ?
-- Does anyone have these bits or a detailed diagram ?

thank you,
rick


Re: Tektronix 585A Voltage Diagnoses Problem edited

 

Hi Randolph,

You checked all the tubes, but also the voltage reference tube V609? Should measure about 85 V.
The grid voltages of V 624 should be approximately equal, well within 1 V or so.
The voltage at the grids should be what you expect from the divider R615/616/617 with "your" -150V.
If the fault is elsewhere then likely you will find grid pin 7 far too negative and pin 6 (anode) far too positive, almost at "your" +100V. Then continue with V634.
Is the screen voltage about normal (not very negative)?
And so on (for now).

Albert


Re: Q: covers for 555 power supply?

 

Sorry Jim. Try this url . This is his store. His email is mercedesmann at
Yahoo dot com.