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My TDR Evaluation of the SG503 012-0482-00 Cable has been uploaded
I uploaded the results of my testing the SG503 012-0482-00 cable. In
addition I compared it to two other similar cables: a Tektronix 012-0057-00 50¦¸ cable, and a Pomona Electronics 50¦¸ cable. It is located at: /g/TekScopes/files/Evaluation%20of%20the%20Tektronix%20012- 0482-00%20cable%20for%20the%20SG503.pdf Dennis Tillman W7PF |
New file uploaded to [email protected]
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Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. File: Evaluation of the Tektronix 012-0482-00 cable for the SG503.pdf Uploaded By: Dennis Tillman W7PF Description: You can access this file at the URL: Cheers, |
2246 no display/odd behavior
Ok. I've removed the battery - have a new one on order. When reassembling I found that J2208 was installed backwards initially. Corrected but no change in behavior. All further testing is done with the battery removed:
Exact voltages: +131.34 +58.201 +15.052 +7.4913 +5.2186 -5.2245 -7.5541 -16.005 These all seem to be in spec. I have a 6kV probe on order - should be here in a few days. I will probe the HV line at that point. Beam finder does nothing. There is no display at all - no text, no beam. No change whether the front panel is powered up or not. |
Re: SG504 or 503 cable
Ok, compared the RG-58 Tektronix cable to an RG-400 I built of similar length.
At 200Mhz and 4Vpp (x1 amplitude) we have .... The OEM Tektronix cable clocked in at 0.20 dBm low. DIY RG-400 cable was only 0.01 dBm low!! Now B4 you guys roast me over the Boonton 4210 microwattmeter with the 4210-4B sensor.... I make no claims, infer from the results what you will (expect 1.5% accuracy from the Boonton). But...I feel pleased that the SG 503 combined with a RG-400 cable and the Boonton show what could be a nearly perfect output. I must mention that I recently serviced the SG 503 using liquid de-oxit on the rotary frequency selector contacts and polished the brass nut and seat contact point on the variable tuning capacitor. ~A |
Re: 2246 no display/odd behavior
How can you edit a post on this system?
Anyway- Have you replaced the battery yet? Should do that first and reboot the scope several times to get the ram initialized. Pay attention to the adjustments section, especially the power supply and beam (grid bias) adjustments. What are the _exact_ low voltage measurements? The ripples shown on your pictures all look good. Can you measure the -2.7 kV line safely? That can be accessed by looking at the cathode or filaments on the CRT. Does the Beam finder button do anything? Regards |
2246 no display/odd behavior
Ok so some updates:
I haven't found any previous posts that address my issues. All voltages on the low side are in spec. Looking back at the ripple measurements in my first post I think they are all OK but a second set of eyes would be helpful. The p-p measurements seem high but there are very few points. The bulk of the points seem within the specs but there's some pronounced waveforms there that I don't know about being allowable. I checked the ESR for all the electros on the power supply board - everything looks good (I used the Blue meter and tested in-situ). Under the board I found a broken (lifted?) trace between C2244 and R2231. See here: I ran a jumper and re-assembled and no change in behavior. Still not display apart from a brief flash at power off and still the off behavior from the front LEDs where they don't power on unless I fiddle with the buttons. There is a RIFA cap C2217 that looks a bit rough but not blown. I'm open to further suggestions or testing approaches. Still not sure if the two problems may be related or which I should focus on first. FWIW I can now get that PSU in and out in about 10 minutes flat... practice :D |
Re: Powering up a 577 for the first time
The 577 used one of the Tek custom potted SMPS transformers if my memory is correct. Next to a tube failure, that is your biggest worry.
I agree with others. Clean, repair power cord, fuse, power, debug any failure. There are quite a few threads here on fixing a577. Keep us up to date. Sent from kjo iPhone |
Re: Powering up a 577 for the first time
I think a good visual inspection followed by the use of an ohm meter would be my first plan. Then repair the cord and install the correct fuse. If you have an ESR meter, check the bulk capacitors and replace as necessary.
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Power it up directly and measure the power rails next. I usually follow the performance section of the service manual as it will show you what works. Calibration would be your next step and lead you to any troubleshooting that might still be needed. Good luck and nice find with the cover still there. Regards On 4/27/2019 6:35 PM, groups@... wrote:
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Re: Powering up a 577 for the first time
If you use the correct fuse then the fuse will protect the equipment. If the fuse blows then you need to go into troubleshooting mode.
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On April 27, 2019 4:35:59 PM MDT, groups@... wrote:
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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. |
Re: Wanted: Earth leads with croc-clip for P6139A
I'm still wanting these if anyone can help.
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Thanks David -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge Sent: 04 April 2019 18:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Wanted: Earth leads with croc-clip for P6139A Yes I'm in the UK. You may be able to send them quite cheaply (about ten dollars for up to 8oz) if you use a pre-paid padded envelope 1st class international mailer. Anyone closer? David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Hanselman Sent: 04 April 2019 17:34 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Wanted: Earth leads with croc-clip for P6139A OK, I do have a bag of 6 inch long "ring" mount style and have verified them on my P6139. They have an alligator clip on the end. Are you in the UK? Shipping will be more than the cost of the clips I'm afraid steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Stephen Hanselman Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 8:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Wanted: Earth leads with croc-clip for P6139A I¡¯m pretty sure I have a bundle of those I¡¯ll check when I get to the office Regards, Stephen Hanselman Datagate Systems, LLC 3107 North Deer Run Road #24 Carson City, Nevada, 89701 (775) 882-5117 office (775) 720-6020 mobile s.hanselman@... www.datagatesystems.com a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original and all copies and printouts of this e-mail and any attachments. On Apr 4, 2019, at 06:22, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...> wrote: |
Powering up a 577 for the first time
All,
While I was searching eBay for a transistor adaptor for my 576, I came across a parts 577 in good condition with both the adaptor and an original safety cover for a low price... and ended up snagging it, too. It was advertised as not powering up - and on closer inspection, the power cable's strain relief is loose, and there's no fuse present. I can obviously fix both, but I'm wary of powering it up given that perhaps there's a reason the fuse is absent (although I'm comfortable checking rail voltages with suitable precautions once it's up). Any advice? Would a variac help? Thanks, Neil |
Re: A Probing Question
Hello Everyone,
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Thank all of you who responded to this query and Raymond in particular.? I hope that there are a few other people in the group who benefited from this discussion.? I certainly did.? My aha moment came when I saw Raymond's mention of the 25 ohm output impedance for the DUT (confirmed by the ABC's).? To summarize what I think I have learned:? Obviously capacitive loading of higher z circuits at high frequencies would be a problem with any sort of mechanical probe.? In order to be able to sell and have people be able to compare the performance of higher frequency probes, the industry(Tek) had to draw a line in the sand for comparison purposes and that was done at 25 ohms.? The typical probe impedances at rated frequency of about 500 ohms then make perfect sense as that represents somewhere around an additional 5% load on the circuit being measured.? If the user is bent on trying to measure higher impedance circuits at high frequencies, then as the younger generation says, It is what it is! Thank you for your time and bandwidth, Jack Reynolds On 4/27/2019 12:16 AM, Raymond Domp Frank wrote:
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 05:59 AM, Raymond Domp Frank wrote:If you want to do measurements on high-frequency signals or signals withYou may want to look for an old-fashioned Lo-Z probe like a P6056 (500 Ohm) or P6057 (5000 Ohm). Even with their standard BNC connection, they work well with your more modern digital 'scope and can be bought for little money. |
11801 10x rise time measurement error
I just got bit by this yet again. Does anyone know if it was fixed and what ROM version fixes it?
Doing an "autoset" fixes it, but as I have not been able to identify what triggers it, it's hard to tell when I need to do an autoset again. It is *really* annoying. Thanks, Reg |
Re: [Test-Equipment] Suggestions for going through Tek2465DVS/DMM?
Thank you Siggi for your email and information.
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I'll work on the scope today, despite needing to assemble few computers for my customers..... I was working way to hard and sometimes I need to "recharge my capacitors" with some troubleshooting I don't know anything about! It is great to get something old working again, so it has a chance to live for a long time - I hope. The capacitors you are talking about are my next project, I'll test and look over all of them, not just the "square once". Several people had suggestions, including couple that mentioned the stuck Beam Switch, so that is my first goal today. You have a GREAT Weekend! Tony On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 4:22 PM Siggi <siggi@...> wrote:
Good luck, |
Re: SG503 amplitude precision
OK, thanks for this information Dennis! I think I wanted to make sure
nobody's feelings are hurt.... But I'll stop answering the emails that aren't directly related to me. This setup is very different than any other group and system or the way this group works, but I'll learn. Today I'm gonna try to unstuck the Beam Switch, since it is a must for sure. I also had few responses from my videos on YouTube channel. I love how passionate Tektronix Users are! Just wish I have space and $$ to get more Tektronix stuff. Have a great weekend! Tony On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:00 PM Dennis Tillman W7PF <dennis@...> wrote: Hi Tony, |
Re: A Probing Question
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 05:59 AM, Raymond Domp Frank wrote:
Have a look here for something special, a bit more extreme: <> Raymond |
Re: SG504 or 503 cable
Chuck Harris
And a lot lower loss at higher frequencies. Loss can be
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a little hard to gauge with the usual TDR. The whole point behind the fancy tek cable is that the amplitude accuracy of the SG503 requires the cable to be lossless.... it isn't, but the lower, the better the amplitude accuracy. The SG504 reaches a range where the cable will lose a db or two, so they put its level sensing circuitry right at the DUT front panel connector. -Chuck Harris Craig Sawyers wrote: Hi Ancel,If everyone can be patient for a few hours more I will test both of those Tektronix cables on a 7S12Having got one of the fancy Tek cables we've been discussing, I tried precisely that a couple of years |
Transfer option cards from TDS 320 to TDS 350?
Hello from Dublin, Ireland. I have a question some of you knowledgeable folks might be able to advise me on. I have two apparently similar scopes, a TDS 320 (100 MHz, 500 M samples/sec) and a TDS 350 (200 MHz, 1G samples/sec). I will only keep one. However the slower scope is fully loaded with interface cards including parallel, RS 232, GPIB and an VGA output for an external monitor. Is it feasible to transfer the option cards to the faster scope or would there be significant software config required to make them operate? Any advice appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: A Probing Question
Craig Sawyers
I am not missing the ABC's of probes and in fact have The other things to download and read cover to cover are the Concepts series books "Oscilloscope ProbeRaymond Circuits", "Probe Measurements" and "Sampling Oscilloscope Circuits" Craig |
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