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Re: Opinions on the 465B

 

I just paid $150 USD for one with several issues. Now that I fixed it I expect to get $200-250 pretty easily.

If you dont want it, I will take it.


Re: 577 Curve tracer ringing CRT and noisy step generator

 

Good idea, I have an oscilloscope, I will put it to good use


Re: 577 Curve tracer ringing CRT and noisy step generator

 

Have you worked through the adjustment procedure, checked the waveforms against the manual? I usually find any faults/oddities that way, The step generator waveforms should be very clean. Getting the sockets out is very time consuming, I avoid it if possible. Some Deoxit on the ic's and a couple of insertions cures almost all but the worst sockets. Also deoxit into the pushbutton switches cures a lot of problems.


Re: 577 Curve tracer ringing CRT and noisy step generator

 

296-1403-5-ND? x 3
LM741CNNS/NOPB-ND? x 1

I believe I will give this a try from Digi Key

If this doesn't work I might look at replacing all the socket for the IC's on the step generator board


Re: 2467B geometry

 

Hi Chuck,

Have you had the tube out of the scope and inspected for bits of broken glass inside the tube?

Regards

On 3/13/2019 8:03 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:
I am certain that they are NOT all like this.... At least
not to the same degree mine is.

For instance, mine cannot, ever, under any circumstances
develop a straight trace at the center of the screen. It
always bows upwards.

The center should be the one place that is golden for any
CRT, as it is the sweet spot for the vertical deflection
plates, geometry, and the box lens.

The center should not be affected by the geometry control;
only the outer 1/4 of the screen. And, on further more
careful observation, the center wiggle on my CRT is not
affected by the geometry control... only the outer edges.

Most folks run into some trouble with the geometry setting
because they can't see, division-by-division what the
geometry setting is doing to the screen's distortion.

Displaying a grid, with 1 division/square, shows this up
very easily... allowing you to simply turn the geometry
from one side to the other, observing the effect, and
deciding what is least annoying to you.

Similarly, the Edge Focus, only affects the outer 1/8
of the screen.

I think it is probable that my scope has been the subject
of a series of Dr. Frankenstein experiments by its previous
owner. The scope was probably subject to a major hit, and
all of the broken bits of the case or front panel were
replaced.

There is probably a good reason why it was relegated to
the scrap bin.

-Chuck Harris

John Ferguson via Groups.Io wrote:
Chuck,

I'm a little surprised that someone hasn't surfaced to tell us that they were all
like that. Surely one of the thousands of participants on this wonderful site must
know, or have been there when these scopes were designed.

perplexing.





Re: Opinions on the 465B

 

I already own 2 of them, but I would snap up another for that price.


Re: Opinions on the 465B

 

UK pound is roughly equal
to $1.30 At the moment.
Jim
Ei2BB.

On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 06:55, Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
wrote:

I have a chance to buy a 465B which seems to work fine Both time bases
show good traces etc The
owner is asking 100.00
I was going to ask a stupid question: is the USD, UKP or EUR. But they are
all about the same thing
now!

Craig






Re: 577 Curve tracer ringing CRT and noisy step generator

 

Thanks

Also I checked and I definitely have the TI IC sockets with the narrow pin inserts, I will look them over

And a thank you to all who commented here, your input is helpful and appreciated


Re: Tektronix 015-0580-00 Pocket Signal Generator

 

If you look at it shows use of the pocket signal generator with the DSA602. It is a single frequency, single level output. I have one but it didn't work properly with my DSA602 scope.I believe it is kaput and I haven't tried to repair it.
Leonard


Re: 2247A PSU Troubleshooting

 

Raymond,

Per your advice (and that clearly marked on the PCB!), I have purchased an
isolation transformer. After watching a few videos online, I am still
unsure whether I should connect ground from the Tek to the transformer.
One video showed use of a 3-prong to 2-prong adapter where the ground wire
is left unattached. Is this what you describe as ¡°floating the 2247A¡±?

Thanks for your help!

Nick



On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 8:48 PM Nicholas Keller via Groups.Io <Nirokeforums=
[email protected]> wrote:

No, I was not using an isolation transformer (I don¡¯t have one) and yes I
was measuring between cap and chassis. I will look into getting a
transformer before testing across c2202 or doing other troubleshooting.

Thanks for the warning

Nick


On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 6:49 PM Raymond Domp Frank <hewpatek@...>
wrote:

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:17 AM, Nicholas Keller wrote:


I measured 120-122VAC up to the diode ring. Does this
suggest that C2202 is bad?
I guess you realise you're measuring in an area that is directly
connected
to the mains, no isolation? Take great care! *Do* use an isolation
transformer and *float your 2247A*.

Did you measure the 77 V across C2202 or between C2202 and chassis? The
latter would be incorrect, because the chassis is floating (with
exception
of some C's) against C2202 (since that has a galvanic coupling to the
mains).

Raymond






Re: 2246 no display/odd behavior

 

PSU is most likely culprit, you will have fun digging down to get to it. Search the archives for info on this, there were many threads regarding the way to test the PSU out of the scope (carefully) and likely suspects for replacement. Personally I had no problem with the 3 legged caps in the PSU (You will see which when you get in there) however others on this board disagreed. There is also a battery on the digital board which leaks (depends on version) that can cause problems. Its been a while since I repaired any of these so working from (poor) memory here.


Re: 577 Curve tracer ringing CRT and noisy step generator

 

U360 is a plain vanilla 741 opamp


Re: Tek Blue Paint - the story goes on ... :-)

 

Dave,
I recently stripped mine with acetone. That and gloves, a mask, and loads of paper towels had it stripped and sorted in a reasonable time. Work outdoors for best safety.
My mistake was using an abrasive attack at the start. Don't do that.
After a couple of coats of 'Etch Primer' the paint went on a treat. Sadly not the exact Tek blue but close enough to make me happy. Getting the right paint here to Australia (or the UK) is just too expensive.
Cheers, Brian.


Re: 2246 no display/odd behavior

 

Do you have the service manual? You can find it at w140.com/tekwiki. Your measurements of ripple are only slightly greater than the specifications in table 6-4 which also lists the limits on the DC values of the supplies. The service manual also explains the function of the front panel buttons in the case of a diagnostic error at start up.

Roger


Re: 2467B geometry

 

Ed and Chuck:

I cranked up 7104/7A29/7B15. These were originally made for AES nuclear testing and 1000s used at LLNL, Los Alamos, LBL, etc.

It was CALed by a silent key, Walter, a super TEK/HP/Ham/Broadcast Engineer.

Setup squarewave test, transitions on graticule grid.

Perfect, NO observable distortion over the entire CRT faceplate! !

As the 7104 is 1 GHz BW and a huge bench scope, the CRTs must be completely different designs, although both use the MCP.

Perhaps the CRT of 2467B was a compromise?

bonne journ¨¦e

Jon


Re: 2467B geometry

Chuck Harris
 

Hi Ed,

Vertical deflections that remain flat for the entire
width of the screen, regardless of the sweep speed, are
by my definition low frequencies.

Sweep speed has no effect on my scope's distortions.
Nor does the relative position of the horizontal or vertical
position controls. The warp is always the same at the
same point on the screen.

If it were a power supply coupling problem, the distortion
should move with the horizontal and vertical position
controls, not remain stapled to a physical location on
the screen.

This really has to be a static problem with the CRT. I am
hopeful that it can be minimized through some careful jiggering
of bias adjustments to the static properties of the CRT,
but long ago I lost hope for that.

It meets tektronix's specs, but no customer would have put
up with such a warped base-line trace in the middle of the screen.

When I noticed Jean-Paul's posting describing his geometry
problem, and then Siggi weighed in with a similar issue, I began
to have a little hope that it might be a common issue with
the scope.... But, I now think the commonality is simply a
common response to being thrown into a scrap bin.

-Chuck Harris

Ed Breya via Groups.Io wrote:

Chuck said:
"Power supply coupling between the amplifiers would most
certainly have a dynamic component to it. This is purely
static in nature. I can move the dot using the H and V
position controls, and retrace any line on the screen."

Yes, but it appears all the measurements done have been at DC and low frequencies. The deflection amplifiers and power supplies have finite rejection in terms of CMRR and PSRR, at DC as well as a function of frequency. What if the amplifiers change slightly (linearity), or the CM voltage affects them or the deflection plate bias at the extremes (corners) of the display?

Power supply and CM and differential gain measurements could be done at DC, with high a resolution DVM.


Re: 2467B geometry

Chuck Harris
 

I am certain that they are NOT all like this.... At least
not to the same degree mine is.

For instance, mine cannot, ever, under any circumstances
develop a straight trace at the center of the screen. It
always bows upwards.

The center should be the one place that is golden for any
CRT, as it is the sweet spot for the vertical deflection
plates, geometry, and the box lens.

The center should not be affected by the geometry control;
only the outer 1/4 of the screen. And, on further more
careful observation, the center wiggle on my CRT is not
affected by the geometry control... only the outer edges.

Most folks run into some trouble with the geometry setting
because they can't see, division-by-division what the
geometry setting is doing to the screen's distortion.

Displaying a grid, with 1 division/square, shows this up
very easily... allowing you to simply turn the geometry
from one side to the other, observing the effect, and
deciding what is least annoying to you.

Similarly, the Edge Focus, only affects the outer 1/8
of the screen.

I think it is probable that my scope has been the subject
of a series of Dr. Frankenstein experiments by its previous
owner. The scope was probably subject to a major hit, and
all of the broken bits of the case or front panel were
replaced.

There is probably a good reason why it was relegated to
the scrap bin.

-Chuck Harris

John Ferguson via Groups.Io wrote:

Chuck,

I'm a little surprised that someone hasn't surfaced to tell us that they were all
like that. Surely one of the thousands of participants on this wonderful site must
know, or have been there when these scopes were designed.

perplexing.





Re: Looking for Sony-Tektronix 318 Logic Analyser Operator's Guide

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:28 AM, Roy Thistle wrote:


Army one has a reasonable operator's section (Chapter 4?).
It is chapter/part 3 in the Army one.


Re: Tek Blue Paint at Stuff Day

 

Agreed...perhaps a shipping container......what really grieves me is before moving out there I spent 4 years commuting back and forth from the UK to Everett every 4 weeks or so and my route was to fly? Air Canada to Vancouver and drive down Route 99/I5 so was passing within a couple of hours drive of this gold mine and didn't know it existed! With all the air miles I ended up as a Star Alliance Gold-pressed Latinum member (or something) and with that baggage allowance I could just about fill the aircraft hold for free each trip!

On 3/13/2019 12:22 AM, David Slipper wrote:
What a shame there is no "Stuff Day" in the UK :-(


On 13/03/2019 00:06, walter shawlee wrote:
Just a note that I will have a few new cans of Tek blue spray paint (the exact stuff)
at our upcoming Stuff Day event at Sphere (april 13th). Maybe somebody can drive a few cans back for others? it can't be shipped by air, so only ground transport is possible. what anightmare it was to buy orignally.

Lots of great Tek 300 series portables will also be at Stuff Day, and you can browse the Tek and hp knob drawers for that weird knob you really need. way too many to photograph and list on line, and of course, the knobs have no numbers on them... there's also tons of original printed manuals by the pound.

stuff day:

all the best,
walter walter2 -at- sphere.bc.ca
sphere research corp.



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Re: Opinions on the 465B

Craig Sawyers
 

I have a chance to buy a 465B which seems to work fine Both time bases show good traces etc The
owner is asking 100.00
I was going to ask a stupid question: is the USD, UKP or EUR. But they are all about the same thing
now!

Craig