Re: And the winner is my "new" 7A13! Was: 7K series - Conceptual question - What's the 3rd most useful plugin
George, Tom, and all, I cut the thing apart so I know what it looks like inside the socket bore and also the config of the socket. It is as George says it has a three tab annular ring in a groove about three fourths of the way up from the opening. The socket bore has a shoulder, (ridge) with square edges both sides that the ring snaps over, the ring is split so its springy. there is a fixed shoulder built into the socket at the wire crimp area to rest against the ridge to stop it from going out the other end of the block. The three tabs on the front side have a small rolled ridge tapered front and rear to allow it to slide over the ridge inside and then expand around the ridge to locate it in the block. tried the extractor over the socket after it is out and there is no way to use a tubular tool to extract it it will not slide over the tab ridge. I believe the tool used is a tube to center the socket and then it has a pin inside used to drive out the socket the tabs are designed to compress as it is forced out they have a longer taper on the back ridge side than the front insert side. The forcing pin should be double sized a smaller guide pin to fit inside the socket with a ridge at the larger dia to set against the socket and force it out almost lightly tapped on the push pin to snap it over the inside ridge some lube used maybe to assist?
Jim O
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On September 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM "george edmonds via Groups.Io" <G6HIG@... mailto:G6HIG@... > wrote:
Hi All I have now removed one of the sockets, they are not as anticipated, the locking arrangement used is a floating annular ring with three "ears". I suspect that the inside bore of the removal tool requires a short lead in to allow the "ears" to enter the bore of the removal tool. 73 George G6HIG.
On Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:22 PM, tom jobe <tomjobe@... mailto:tomjobe@... > wrote:
Between yesterday and today I tried making an assortment of tools that might be able to remove the pins from the black plastic block on a 465 that serves as the voltage range selector and fuse block. In the end, I failed to remove a single pin, and here is the story. (This will be explained in inches, using common drill sizes available in the mostly non-metric world I live in) I machined the tools from brass bar stock and tried various inside and outside dimensions on them. The outside diameter of the tools could not exceed about 0.126" inches where they fit into the plastic block on the back of the scope, and the inside diameter had to be about 0.102" inches or larger to fit over the pins. The next largest drill in the number drills I have is 0.104" inches and that size hole will clear the pin's outside diameter coming in from the back of the scope very nicely. A tool with these dimensions will go in about 0.450" inches, and it is not making hard contact with any surface except the bottom of the recess in the black block around the pin. From the front side of the plastic block you can slightly move the pin your tool is on, and there is clearly no hard connection between the tool and the pin. This made me wonder if the bottom of the recess in the plastic block was a flat surface, so I filed a 'chisel' end on the tool so only the point of the chisel end would touch the bottom in any one place. You can then spin the tool around and feel that the bottom of the 0.126+ recess is quite flat. When you push any of the tools I made into the bottom of the recess in the plastic block, they never push hard against any surface of the pin, and the pin can be slight moved around in a very loose way from the front side where the wires come into the plastic block. One person reported being able to take these pins out with a tool they have, perhaps they meant they could do that on some other kind of similar pin? Another issue after one figures out how to remove these pins, is that some rows of pins are three pins ganged together on the back side, so you would need three tools for those two rows of three pins each. tom jobe... PS the larger outside diameter on these pins where the wires come in on the front side of the block is about 0.121" inches as best i could measure in a crowded area.
On 9/28/2018 4:37 PM, tom jobe wrote:
> > I have been following this discussion, and today took a 4xx scope
apart to study what all of you are talking about. A Google search shows that the tools to remove these kinds of contacts come in many-many sizes and it seems the one closest in size to George's older tool has a 2.7mm hole instead of George's 2.5mm hole. This is addition to any dimensional problems the newer tools have. If the hole in the tool is too large and does not squeeze the spring contact in far enough to release the contact from the hole, that could possibly be Jim's problem? The holes in the black plastic connector block appear to be very close to 0.125" (1/8th of an inch) which probably will work with the nominal 3.2mm outside diameter the tools are listed as having. Maybe I will make some test parts on the lathe tomorrow to see what it takes to release those contacts. tom jobe...
> > > On 9/28/2018 11:21 AM, george edmonds via Groups.Io wrote:
> > > Hi Jim
I have a scrap 4XX scope and have tried to remove the sockets with the extraction tool that I have, it was a simple matter to do so. Be aware that most of the extraction tools that originate in China are dimensionally poor, at best. The tool that I have has a spring loaded plunger which you press and the socket just popped out, The extractor tube dimensions are OD 3.2mm and the ID is 2.5mm , sorry as I have had this tool some 45 years I cannot give you any idea of the manufacturer as it is unmarked. 73 George G6HIG
> > > >> >> On Friday, September 28, 2018 5:24 PM, Jim Olson >> <v_12eng@... mailto:v_12eng@... > wrote: >> >> Fabio, >> Sorry I was referring to the 4xx series of scopes and the black main >> power connector on the back for the fuse and voltage selector jumper. >> I need to remove the connectors from the connector block there is a >> tek tool for this but can't find one so bought a pin and socket >> extractor set as it has the right size for the sockets. It will slide >> in and feels like it compresses the lock tabs but the socket won't >> release and slide out. So I wanted to put it to some of the more >> experienced folks here so anyone know this feel free to jump in I >> really don't want to cut off the primary wires for the transformer as >> the sockets are crimped and necessary and most likely hard to find. >> >> Jim >> >>> On September 28, 2018 at 6:44 AM Fabio Trevisan >>> <fabio.tr3visan@... mailto:fabio.tr3visan@... mailto:fabio.tr3visan@... mailto:fabio.tr3visan@... > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello Jim, >>> I`m not quite sure abut what equipment you're talking here? >>> I saw a post from you about this subject some days ago and, >>> although I don't remember exactly about what equipment it was, I`m >>> confident that if it was about a model that I`m familiar with, it >>> would have grabbed my attention (and maybe I would have even picked >>> a try to answer you). >>> Nevertheless... If you let me know the model, I can consult the >>> manuals / pictures and give it my shot... >>> If it's an equipment I never had (and I only had a 464 and now >>> this 7623A), my guess will be as good as anyone's but I may be in a >>> good day. >>> Rgrds, >>> Fabio >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Jim Olson wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > Fabio, >>>> A side question here I need to remove the sockets from the >>>> main power >>>> connector, (fuse block), so got some tubular connector >>>> removal tools but when >>>> I slide it down the socket It feels like it pushes in the >>>> release tabs and >>>> stops but the socket won't pull out. >>>> So what kind of tool do I need here to get it to release? >>>> It's not working >>>> like I am used to with normal connectors! >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Sure, ridged flexible waveguide.
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Because PTFE melts at 327C, and starts decomposing at 200C.
-Chuck Harris
george edmonds via Groups.Io wrote:
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Hi Why not use PTFE hardline. George G6HIG
On Monday, October 1, 2018 6:09 AM, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@...> wrote:
Maybe some custom made fused ceramic disk cable?
Michael A. Terrell
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
It is only rated to 350C.
Michael A. Terrell
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-----Original Message----- From: "george edmonds via Groups.Io" <G6HIG@...>
Hi Why not use PTFE hardline.
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Hi Why not use PTFE hardline. George G6HIG
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On Monday, October 1, 2018 6:09 AM, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@...> wrote: Maybe some custom made fused ceramic disk cable? Michael A. Terrell -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lu <huatien.jo@...>
Hello everyone, I have a friend asking me if there is a kind of RF cable that can endure environmental temperature up to 400 degree Celsius. He said it is for aircraft testing, and as far as I know, the existing cables from different product line only make maximum endurance to 200 degree. Is it possible to that a cable a endure up to 400 degree?
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Hello Albert,
Yes, I think so too, but it seems that he want something flexible or semi flexible. Thanks anyway~
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Hello Michael,
Perhaps so. I'll check if that is the workable, thanks.
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Hello Stefan,
it seems that he is doing for some military aricrft testing, so I think performance is still a requirment. Thank you for your good advise!
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Hello Roy,
Those are very useful website and info, I sure will do some research on them. Thank a lot!!
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Maybe something similar to the mineral-insulated cable used in building wiring? <>
Albert
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael A. Terrell Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 1:09 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [TekScopes] coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius Maybe some custom made fused ceramic disk cable? Michael A. Terrell -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lu <huatien.jo@...>
Hello everyone, I have a friend asking me if there is a kind of RF cable that can endure environmental temperature up to 400 degree Celsius. He said it is for aircraft testing, and as far as I know, the existing cables from different product line only make maximum endurance to 200 degree. Is it possible to that a cable a endure up to 400 degree?
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Maybe some custom made fused ceramic disk cable?
Michael A. Terrell
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-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lu <huatien.jo@...>
Hello everyone, I have a friend asking me if there is a kind of RF cable that can endure environmental temperature up to 400 degree Celsius. He said it is for aircraft testing, and as far as I know, the existing cables from different product line only make maximum endurance to 200 degree. Is it possible to that a cable a endure up to 400 degree?
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Re: And the winner is my "new" 7A13! Was: 7K series - Conceptual question - What's the 3rd most useful plugin
OK all I am going to bite the bullet on this and as I am scraping this scope it wasn't complete and had a bunch of damaged knobs and shafts I will sacrifice this block and cut it apart to get the sockets out. I want the transformer and don't need the block I have two more incomplete 475's if parts needed. Will post results of findings after I have got them out and compare with the tool i have and also inside of the hole.
Jim O
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On September 30, 2018 at 12:22 PM tom jobe <tomjobe@...> wrote:
Between yesterday and today I tried making an assortment of tools that might be able to remove the pins from the black plastic block on a 465 that serves as the voltage range selector and fuse block. In the end, I failed to remove a single pin, and here is the story. (This will be explained in inches, using common drill sizes available in the mostly non-metric world I live in) I machined the tools from brass bar stock and tried various inside and outside dimensions on them. The outside diameter of the tools could not exceed about 0.126" inches where they fit into the plastic block on the back of the scope, and the inside diameter had to be about 0.102" inches or larger to fit over the pins. The next largest drill in the number drills I have is 0.104" inches and that size hole will clear the pin's outside diameter coming in from the back of the scope very nicely. A tool with these dimensions will go in about 0.450" inches, and it is not making hard contact with any surface except the bottom of the recess in the black block around the pin. From the front side of the plastic block you can slightly move the pin your tool is on, and there is clearly no hard connection between the tool and the pin. This made me wonder if the bottom of the recess in the plastic block was a flat surface, so I filed a 'chisel' end on the tool so only the point of the chisel end would touch the bottom in any one place. You can then spin the tool around and feel that the bottom of the 0.126+ recess is quite flat. When you push any of the tools I made into the bottom of the recess in the plastic block, they never push hard against any surface of the pin, and the pin can be slight moved around in a very loose way from the front side where the wires come into the plastic block. One person reported being able to take these pins out with a tool they have, perhaps they meant they could do that on some other kind of similar pin? Another issue after one figures out how to remove these pins, is that some rows of pins are three pins ganged together on the back side, so you would need three tools for those two rows of three pins each. tom jobe... PS the larger outside diameter on these pins where the wires come in on the front side of the block is about 0.121" inches as best i could measure in a crowded area.
On 9/28/2018 4:37 PM, tom jobe wrote:
I have been following this discussion, and today took a 4xx scope apart to study what all of you are talking about. A Google search shows that the tools to remove these kinds of contacts come in many-many sizes and it seems the one closest in size to George's older tool has a 2.7mm hole instead of George's 2.5mm hole. This is addition to any dimensional problems the newer tools have. If the hole in the tool is too large and does not squeeze the spring contact in far enough to release the contact from the hole, that could possibly be Jim's problem? The holes in the black plastic connector block appear to be very close to 0.125" (1/8th of an inch) which probably will work with the nominal 3.2mm outside diameter the tools are listed as having. Maybe I will make some test parts on the lathe tomorrow to see what it takes to release those contacts. tom jobe...
On 9/28/2018 11:21 AM, george edmonds via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Jim I have a scrap 4XX scope and have tried to remove the sockets with the extraction tool that I have, it was a simple matter to do so. Be aware that most of the extraction tools that originate in China are dimensionally poor, at best. The tool that I have has a spring loaded plunger which you press and the socket just popped out, The extractor tube dimensions are OD 3.2mm and the ID is 2.5mm , sorry as I have had this tool some 45 years I cannot give you any idea of the manufacturer as it is unmarked. 73 George G6HIG
On Friday, September 28, 2018 5:24 PM, Jim Olson <v_12eng@...> wrote:
Fabio, Sorry I was referring to the 4xx series of scopes and the black main power connector on the back for the fuse and voltage selector jumper. I need to remove the connectors from the connector block there is a tek tool for this but can't find one so bought a pin and socket extractor set as it has the right size for the sockets. It will slide in and feels like it compresses the lock tabs but the socket won't release and slide out. So I wanted to put it to some of the more experienced folks here so anyone know this feel free to jump in I really don't want to cut off the primary wires for the transformer as the sockets are crimped and necessary and most likely hard to find.
Jim
On September 28, 2018 at 6:44 AM Fabio Trevisan <fabio.tr3visan@... mailto:fabio.tr3visan@... > wrote:
Hello Jim, I`m not quite sure abut what equipment you're talking here? I saw a post from you about this subject some days ago and, although I don't remember exactly about what equipment it was, I`m confident that if it was about a model that I`m familiar with, it would have grabbed my attention (and maybe I would have even picked a try to answer you). Nevertheless... If you let me know the model, I can consult the manuals / pictures and give it my shot... If it's an equipment I never had (and I only had a 464 and now this 7623A), my guess will be as good as anyone's but I may be in a good day. Rgrds, Fabio
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Jim Olson wrote:
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> > Fabio,
A side question here I need to remove the sockets from the main power connector, (fuse block), so got some tubular connector removal tools but when I slide it down the socket It feels like it pushes in the release tabs and stops but the socket won't pull out. So what kind of tool do I need here to get it to release? It's not working like I am used to with normal connectors!
Jim
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Re: coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
There are some Kapton coaxial cables rated up to 300¡ãC, you could probably push them to 400¡ãC for a short time.
If that isn't good enough you are basically down to mineral insulation:
RF properties will suffer, but much less than the wallet I suppose.
If he doesn't need good RF performance something like shielded thermocouple cable might do the job. They come with mineral (fiber) insulation and are dirt cheap by comparison.
Another thought might be to use air dielectric, and spacers (ceramic, glass) if only a straight shot over a short distance is needed.
ST
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On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 5:30 AM Daniel Lu <huatien.jo@...> wrote: Hello everyone, I have a friend asking me if there is a kind of rf cable that can endure environmental temperture up to 400 degree celsius. He said it is for aircraft testing, and as far as I know, the existing cables from differnt product line only make maximun endurence to 200 degree. Is it possible to that a cable a endure up to 400 degree?
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Hello, There are applications on jet/turbine engines that need very high temperature parts. I would expect some coax to have been made, but I have no idea as to temperature ratings. There is a company called ¡°Aircraft Spruce¡± that supplied aircraft parts, tools and supplies. <> Also, Joel at RF Connections in MD may know of a source. He/they make cables for all sorts of government and commercial applications. . (Used to be therfc.com <> I think) Call: (301)840-5477 Roy On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Daniel Lu <huatien.jo@... <mailto:huatien.jo@...>> wrote:
Hello everyone, I have a friend asking me if there is a kind of rf cable that can endure environmental temperture up to 400 degree celsius. He said it is for aircraft testing, Roy Morgan k1lky68@... <mailto:k1lky68@...>
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coaxial cable to endure 400 degree Celsius
Hello everyone, I have a friend asking me if there is a kind of rf cable that can endure environmental temperture up to 400 degree celsius. He said it is for aircraft testing, and as far as I know, the existing cables from differnt product line only make maximun endurence to 200 degree. Is it possible to that a cable a endure up to 400 degree?
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Thanx for all the great help. I wish my manual allowed a Find feature. The switch was in the wrong position. Now I am in good shape. Gary
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On September 30, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote: On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:29:06 -0700, you wrote: I have a Tek 7104 1GHz scope. There is a slide switch inside on the right side on the A13 Logic circuit board and I believe it is labeled S4488. There is no writing next to it, and the manual does not show its purpose. Does anyone know what this switch is used for? S4488 XY Z axis selector Switch position closest to board edge: XY timebase controlled Z axis position furthest from board edge, XY DC controlled Z axis. Timebase controlled seems to allow the timebase to blank/unblank the beam, and DC controlled allows the external Z axis input to operate. Likely, unless you want an external input, you'd likely want the XY timebase controlled input. Harvey
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:29:06 -0700, you wrote: I have a Tek 7104 1GHz scope. There is a slide switch inside on the right side on the A13 Logic circuit board and I believe it is labeled S4488. There is no writing next to it, and the manual does not show its purpose. Does anyone know what this switch is used for? S4488 XY Z axis selector Switch position closest to board edge: XY timebase controlled Z axis position furthest from board edge, XY DC controlled Z axis. Timebase controlled seems to allow the timebase to blank/unblank the beam, and DC controlled allows the external Z axis input to operate. Likely, unless you want an external input, you'd likely want the XY timebase controlled input. Harvey
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Brian: I have the PDF manual for my 7104. I went to page 3-23 and I found no mention of switch S4488. There is no writing next to the switch on my A13 Logic Board. When looking directly at the switch, which position is "In" and which is "Out"? Is the default position near the side of the scope or near the middle of the scope? Thanx for your assistance. Gary On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:38 PM Brian via Groups.Io <brianas1948= [email protected]> wrote: Hi Gary , me again . I've checked the manual , page 3-23 refers to a switch on the logic board , thats the one , it is marked on the pcb in my scope 'in' and 'out' -- the manual says the normal position is 'in' so that the Z-axis is controlled by a timebase . regardsBrian
On Sunday, 30 September 2018, 22:29:16 GMT+1, Gary Robert Bosworth < grbosworth@...> wrote:
I have a Tek 7104 1GHz scope. There is a slide switch inside on the right side on the A13 Logic circuit board and I believe it is labeled S4488. There is no writing next to it, and the manual does not show its purpose. Does anyone know what this switch is used for?
-- Gary Robert Bosworth grbosworth@... Tel: 310-317-2247
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Re: Stan Griffith's Resource Site
This was an error. The museum does ship internationally and we have fixed the item.
Dave
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On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:05 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Sep 30, 2018, at 06:23, loyde downie <mdownie@...> wrote:
item 112676196038 Doesn¡¯t ship to non-US destinations.
Gr¨¹?e, Carsten
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Re: Stan Griffith's Resource Site
Apparently "rumors of Stan Griffith's death have been greatly exaggerated," (with apologies to Mark Twain). I had tried to contact both Stan and his friend/colleague Bill For some 454A parts (without getting a response, and finding both their sites out of commission) and after looking both gentlemen up I found obituaries under both names that seemed to agree with the chronology. I'd like to take this opportunity to admit my mistake, apologize for any distress this might have caused any of his family members or friends, and to wish Stan a speedy recovery.
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On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:30 AM bobh@... <bobh@...> wrote: Archive.org saves the text pages but not the database behind the search pages.
Bob.
On 9/29/2018 6:57 PM, penguin2004au wrote:
Greetings group: I looked at this site recently, wanting some info about CRT part numbers vs scope models, and found the pages would not respond to my enquiry.
For example entering 545 as a model number resulted in a response "this model was not found in the database"
Does anybody know what has happened and/or can somebody fix the problem?
Regards: penguin2004au
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