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Re: Your opinion on using other people's work

 

In the technical and scientific world, there is only one choice: LaTeX.

Everything else is a toy or waaay too much hard work. Creating professional documents with most desktop publishing or word processing software is like building houses from toothpicks and plasticine. LaTeX is like handing a blueprint to professional builders.

Given the way LaTeX works, vi is fine if that's what you prefer, though obviously Emacs is a better choice. :-)

(Of course, LaTeX is available online these days, so no need to install a LaTeX toolchain. See overleaf.com)

On 04/04/2018 04:09, Fabio Trevisan wrote:

Folks!
VI... Ouch!That is the lamest of the Text editors. I know that lots of
folks here will shout at me, saying that it's perfect! [...]

BTW if anyone can suggest a better tool to "Desktop publish" (remember
when that was the killer app?) I'd love hear it.

vi? ;-)


Re: I would like some input on a good wire forming tool.

 

I have had the two sizes shown on the right side for so long and used
the 1/4 watt lead bender so much that the plastic slots are worn. Mine
are almost as old as my Weller soldering gun.

On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 03:34:34 -0400 (GMT-04:00), you wrote:



Velleman-VTBEND1-Resistor-and-Axial-Component-Lead-Bending-Tool-Set

These are the tools that were in common use when that scope was built. You might find them cheaper somewhere else, but they are worth the asking price. I've had mine for about 30 years.


Re: 485 power supply switching transistors Q1834 and Q1844

 

The 2N6545 (8 amp 125 watt) is the general purpose replacement for
transistors in that series and is still produced. These can probably
be found cheap somewhere.

I am not sure where you found the MJ13015 part number but I suspect
the 10 amp 150 watt Motorola part is basically the same thing with
some refinements and tighter specifications. Motorola had a habit of
producing parts like this to cater to specific applications. They
probably have an application note for it.

The 7000 mainframes through the 7904 use the 5 amp and 110 watt 2N6308
and the 7844 uses the -01 part which is graded for Toff > 3us for some
reason. I have not gotten to tracking down the later ones yet.

It will be important to make sure transistor failure was not caused
externally. Possibly this is just a case of one dying and taking the
other out.

On Mon, 02 Apr 2018 03:29:19 -0700, you wrote:

Have an 485 with both Q1834 and Q1844 shorted. So there may (probably?) be other issues. But at least will need these two replaced. I'd like help identifying current replacements.

They are 151-0368-00. Apparently oem were MJ13015 long obsolete. Though Sphere currently shows 2 new 2 used. I do not find a datasheet for MJ13015. Old threads mention a couple parts but the only thing that seemed 100% to work was BUX48A but it also is obsolete or at least I can't find it. The datasheet I find for BUX48A looks as if it was overkill for the application which might push any failure farther into the box.??

Thanks


Re: TM504 11.4 volt reading at over 14 volts

 

Hi Lop Pol,

If all the voltages are proportionately high then the Voltage jumper on the back panel or inside the TM504 (it's in a different place on each mainframe model) is set too low for your mains voltage. Check your mains voltage with an RMS meter and set the jumper to LOW, MED, or HIGH accordingly.

If only the 11.4V is high the jumper setting isn't the cause.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lop pol via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 3:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [TekScopes] TM504 11.4 volt reading at over 14 volts

No ripple just voltage is too high. Any ideas?




--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


Re: Your opinion on using other people's work

 

Hi Craig,
That list is dated 2009. As such it is out of date and incomplete. New items
were being added on a regular basis at that time. Kurt at TekWiki has my
most recent list. At this point the list doesn't change very often because
there are very few plugins I haven't found by now.

I am not sure how Kurt intends to use the list, but I left that up to him
since he had his own ideas how to best fit the information it contained into
TekWiki.

For many of the most unusual plugins, when they appeared in an Ebay auction
with pictures, I captured those pictures into a separate Word document for
each plugin. I have forwarded those pictures onto Kurt as well. I think, but
I am not sure, Kurt has created a separate web page for each of the plugins
from my list with pictures where I had them.

I have complete confidence in Kurt to do what he feels best with the
information in my TM500/TM5000 list. I think Kurt is busy lately working on
another comprehensive list I gave him of Tek 7000 series plugins and
accessories. The principal difference between my TM500/TM5000 list and my
7000 list is that there were far too many TM500/TM5000 plugins to collect.
Not so with the 7000 series plugins.

I have the complete collection of Tek 7000 plugins including all but a very
few extremely rare calibration fixtures, and a few of the Personality
Modules for the 7D02 that are extremely rare. I also have more than a few
7000 prototypes which never went into production for one reason or another.
And finally I have about a dozen production 7000 plugins made by companies
other than Tektronix.

What I do not have room for are all of the 7000 mainframes. But there is a
collection of every 7000 mainframe Tek ever made. It belongs to my friend
Rens Tel in Holland, and if I do say so, it is breathtaking.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig
Sawyers
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 11:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Your opinion on using other people's work

Hi Dennis

Just been looking at that exceptionally extensive list. There are versions
of the SG505 and AA501 that aren't listed:

SG505 MOD WQ
SG505 MOD WR
AA501A MOD WQ

These all fit together in a power frame with specific rear interface
connections to link them all together into a measurement suite.

I have photos, and partial schematics of the SG505 versions.

Craig

My apologies.
The correct link is


Dennis Tillman W7PF






--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


Re: Your opinion on using other people's work

 

Folks!
VI... Ouch!That is the lamest of the Text editors. I know that lots of
folks here will shout at me, saying that it's perfect!
I can even acknowledge... as we know that when someone gets used to any
command line interface that it kills any GUI but... c'mon!
Well, I`m a dinosaur, and even me could never get used to THAT! command
line interface!

I have used Ventura Publisher (was fine) and Page Maker (Very good), but
those were really pro tools, meant for people who worked on the Print Shops
and serious graphical publishing.
They were meant for people who would import the raw text (typed as plain
text) and then would apply, in a structured way, all the formatting and
styling templates.
When done this way, you would see their advantage, but when one would just
jump at it to do a one time work... It was even worse than Word.
Word, despite coming from the evil MS, does quite a decent job at doing, at
once, text editting AND Desktop Publishing.

I never tried in a more involved fashion, but I think that any Open License
Text editor of nowadays, like Star Office or Libre-Office, probably do a
good job as much as Word.

Rgrds,

Fabio




2018-04-03 22:08 GMT-03:00 Mark Wendt <wendt.mark@...>:

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 21:04 snapdiode via Groups.Io <snapdiode=
[email protected]> wrote:

Well he agreed to attribute it to me. I guess that settles whether it s
my
PDF or not.
I'm not looking for money, but I did it with Word. Word!

BTW if anyone can suggest a better tool to "Desktop publish" (remember
when that was the killer app?) I'd love hear it.
vi? ;-)

Mark




Re: TM504 11.4 volt reading at over 14 volts

 

Thanks chuck :)


Re: Desk Top Publishing ...After this lets take this off line

 

There are desktop publishers and there are desk top publishers...what are you mainly planning on doing? More? clean up scans like the 1S1 or write a book? Is your personal time valuable ( i.e. are you willing to spend money on software that makes the task easier and faster)

-DC
manuals@...

On 4/3/2018 9:04 PM, snapdiode via Groups.Io wrote:
Well he agreed to attribute it to me. I guess that settles whether it s my PDF or not.
I'm not looking for money, but I did it with Word. Word!

BTW if anyone can suggest a better tool to "Desktop publish" (remember when that was the killer app?) I'd love to hear it.


--
Dave
Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: 485 power supply switching transistors Q1834 and Q1844

 

I want to thank EVERYONE. Wow. I'm operating above my pay-grade working on these and between the manual (theory of operation) and your suggestions I will be awhile understanding what's going on. At least a little bit. But then that's why I enjoy this it's a learning exercise. I have some specific tech questions but want to mull things over some more and will ask in a new thread with an appropriate subject.

I actually have two 485 both inop. Both blew fuses but the other stopped with replacement of the big caps; this one obviously is still not happy. I think I'm going to button this one up for now (I'm short on space) and focus on the other.

Just for future Googlers:

2N6308 is listed obsolete and not in stock at Digikey or Mouser; but TEDSS.com has them reasonable and they're all over eBay. TEDDS sometimes has stuff and I've had good service. I may get a handful cause they're cheap and apparently oem so how bad can they be.
BU208A is listed obsolete if at all and not in stock but also eBay and plentiful.

So thanks again. I'll jot this all down in the notebook and be back with questions on the 'at least it don't blow the fuse up' scope after more book study.


Re: Your opinion on using other people's work

 

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 21:04 snapdiode via Groups.Io <snapdiode=
[email protected]> wrote:

Well he agreed to attribute it to me. I guess that settles whether it s my
PDF or not.
I'm not looking for money, but I did it with Word. Word!

BTW if anyone can suggest a better tool to "Desktop publish" (remember
when that was the killer app?) I'd love hear it.
vi? ;-)

Mark


Re: Your opinion on using other people's work

 

Well he agreed to attribute it to me. I guess that settles whether it s my PDF or not.
I'm not looking for money, but I did it with Word. Word!

BTW if anyone can suggest a better tool to "Desktop publish" (remember when that was the killer app?) I'd love to hear it.


Re: TM504 11.4 volt reading at over 14 volts

Chuck Harris
 

This is normal behavior.

The 11.4V is an unregulated supply, and is
expected to be high when unloaded, and to be
about 11.4V when fully loaded, and at the
minimum power line voltage.

-Chuck Harris

lop pol via Groups.Io wrote:

Adding a plugin dropped the voltage to 13.2V


Re: Your opinion on using other people's work

 

Thanks all.


Re: OT: my mail address may be blacklisted (Attn: Fabio Trevisan & Phillip Potter)

 

Max

There are a a handful of companies that collect and publish lists and/or software that automatically for a local ISP block known spammers. If a major email provider like GMAIL shows up hosting too many spammers then these companies often take the approach of black listing ALL gmail addresses as the cheap and easy way out. Their stated position is that gmail has a moral responsibility to police who it gives an account to. My web hosting company 1and1.com hosts web sites very inexpensively and like gmail attracts spammers.? The SPAM list collectors sometimes focus on IP addresses and not the actual email senders. Again a cheap and easy way for hosting companies to cut down on the volume of useless traffic which costs them money. A couple of times a month I find myself on certain spam blacklists to certain receiving ISPs ( Free.FR is one of the worst at appointing themselves as their customers censor ...ironically the free.fr server is in Germany ...are you getting the message France?). About 20 years ago at the dawn of SPAM I had a small consulting company. I was using a small local ISP provider at the time. They put in one of the spammer blocker systems in without notifying the customer base. In the end they blocked email from a prospective client without my knowledge or permission and in the end cost me a 5 figure consulting contract. I sued them and they quickly settled out of court ( I suspect funded in part by the SPAM list software vendor) on the condition that I accept a a defacto gag order and not name names publicly. I accepted the money and then promptly changed ISP's no one should independently decide who you get email from IMO. Someday the industry will find a way to manage the problem the safest way is to police your own email and use filtering or tagging of your choice IMO

Good luck
-DC
manuals@...


On 4/3/2018 9:57 AM, unclebanjoman wrote:
I don't know really why that happens. My e-mail address is active by 20 years.
I'm using the same (paid) server since then. Only in last three/four months I've noted that very irritating inconvenience.

Max

Dave

Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: OT: my mail address may be blacklisted (Attn: Fabio Trevisan & Phillip Potter)

 

Max,
Ah, sorry, I just replied to you in PM, so the rest of the group won't see it.
I did receive your private message some 2 weeks ago and I replied to it.
I use gmail and your message didn't fall on the spam folder.
I just forwarded that reply from two weeks ago again to you. Lets see if you receive it.
Rgrds,
Fabio


Re: TM504 11.4 volt reading at over 14 volts

 

Adding a plugin dropped the voltage to 13.2V


Re: Repairing a Tektronix 2445B ... (ARG)

 

On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 at 10:29 Siggi <siggi@...> wrote:

Hey there fgswww(?),
Ah, Fernando it is, my apologies for not noticing your name in the from:
field.


Look at page 6-13 of the service manual, where it describes the "Kernel
Tests" and "Exerciser Routines". The front panel LEDs likely have a message
for you relating to the specific failure the MPU has detected.
If you can post a video of the front panel as the scope is powered on, we
could help decipher the message, and/or verify your decoding...

NB: My 2430 was in a bad way - eventually I found it was bad RAM. It gave
me occasion to exercise the MPU diagnostic jumper. On the 2445B, that'd be
P503. When you flip it to the "DIAG" setting, the MPU reads a NOP
instruction hard-wired to the data bus. This causes the MPU to generate
read cycles for the entire address space, which allows you to verify that
the MPU is working to some extent, and to verify the address decoding logic
against a repeating access pattern.

Do you have a second scope to turn on your 2445B?


TM504 11.4 volt reading at over 14 volts

 

No ripple just voltage is too high. Any ideas?


Re: - Early Telequipment 'Scope

jim
 

On Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 1:35:15 PM PDT, Leslie Austin <Manxduke@...> wrote:

Adrian, I was unaware of the "facelift", certainly never seen anything
looking earlier than a stock S31 or D31.

I used to have a C1 calibrator, but now have a C3.

Les.


Just for fun, I did a search thru the Wireless World collection on "Americanradiohistory.com" for the years 1950-1960.tLotsa pictures in the new equipment blurbs about telequipment ...I've got a D54 that I used for years ...now shelved ...
Jim


Re: - Early Telequipment 'Scope

 

Adrian, I was unaware of the "facelift", certainly never seen anything looking earlier than a stock S31 or D31.

I used to have a C1 calibrator, but now have a C3.

Les.

On 03/04/18 20:35, Adrian wrote:
Hi Les,

Thanks for the informative reply! First - serial numbers, not on the back but? yes, stamped into a lower chassis rail is "666." (that number, I hope, is not an omen!) and hand written and varnished over on the power transformer is "58666". Until I find out different I'm assuming 58 could be the year and 666 the serial number. If so then that would probably make this one of the last 'pre-facelift' Serviscopes produced and whether they called it an S31 at that point I don't know.

It is very similar in physical construction to an S31 and the only schematic differences I've spotted so far between the S31 and what I see in front of me are: No series anode resistors on the rectifier (EZ81), slight asymmetry between the +ve and -ve 'Y' amp input stages (ECF80s) in terms of the anode and grid biasing arrangements and the input attenuator is 'missing' the probe matching trimmer caps.

I just won an equally beat-up S31 which I'm collecting on Friday so I'll do a compare and contrast when I get it home. I also got a TQ 'C1' Scope Calibrator a few weeks back - Serial number 3 - so an early model as well!? I've got that working nicely too, in fact you can just see part of it's chassis, the covers are going out for painting, in the picture of the scope which is displaying it's output.

As far as the Tek involvement goes, the article in TekTalk announcing the addition of Telequipment to Tektronix is dated Spring 1967 so about then I guess?

True double beam? Yes, when I made the move to Electronics Technician at the Cavendish labs in the late '60s one of the first things I was handed was a heap of dead or dying? D43s - they had dozens and dozens of them in the teaching and research labs - to repair/recalibrate. A very nice instrument for the money but fried themselves all the time. Convection cooling is nice and quiet but sadly just not adequate for continuous use!

I hope we can find out more early history, I wonder if there are any ex Telequipment folk out there because it would be great to get it written down.

All the best,
Adrian


On 4/3/2018 7:28 PM, Leslie Austin wrote:
That is an interesting scope you have there Adrian. I have seen or owned many S31 scopes, but that one is different to anything I have seen. There seem to be many differences, but without doubt it is either a prototype or an early model unknown to me. Every one I have seen had a serial number on the back, does this? Every S31 (and S32, S32A, D32, S/D33, S/D43, D*53*) I have seen had two covers, inverted L shape, with two screws retaining handle and sides. I have never seen WHITE OEM knobs!

I had a rather special device, obviously based on the S31, but it was a TV monochrome CRT tester. The rear panel had been "turned around" so that the S31 ID info was on the inside. Different transformer clearly different circuit, and all valves had been removed. I decided it was a project to be "analysed", and I used to bring it out on Christmas day to kill time, but as so often happens, it never got finalised. I offered it FOC on a UK forum, got an assurance it would be "completed", but 12months later found it had? had the CRT removed and the rest scrapped. Hmm!

But back to TQ generally. I don't know when the takeover took place, but by 1968, Tek were certainly getting involved. I have here a conversion list of TQ part numbers, for example, the mains transformer for the S31 had been part number T1, but now became 150-0071-00, which is clearly a Tek part number. The list is dated May 1968.

It is interesting to look at the front of TQ scopes. Early models clearly fitted with UK sourced knobs; Mostly black with some red "outers" with stacked controls. Common from S31 thro to the DM53A, but from the DM64 (terrible 'scope, TEK CRT), D*63, D65/66/67, D75, D83 they all had US sourced TEK knobs, and knob prices shot up!

There is a 1973 US version catalogue of Telequipment scopes available online, the knob styles can be clearly seen there.

Every TQ scope from S31 had TRIGGERED sweep, until then all cheaper UK scopes were non-triggered. That is what made them so useful for any decent TV repair shop, and affordable.

TQ also produced suitably modified scopes for the US firm Perkin-Elmer. A variation of the S51 was produced as a heart monitor. I think I still have a bare board for one, and some circuitry for it.

C.M. Jones referred to his D31, with true dual gun/beam tube. Quite a few of the early "D" scopes had dual guns, most with single timebase but dual Y-amps. There were however the D55, D55A and D56 which had true dual guns, dual Y amps, AND dual timebases!

Earlier I referred to the DM64, with its lousy TEK bistable CRT. However TQ produced the D53S, DM53A and the DM63. These were REAL storage scopes with variable persistence, all using GEC storage tubes. They were quality, and on a DM53A I could store a trace, switch off the scope, and switch back on a couple of MONTHS later, with the trace still stored!

I used to buy, service, calibrate and sell scopes from 1979 for about 10 years. I quickly learned that anything with valves, other than TQ or TEK were best left to others, stuff like Hartley, and Advance reminded me of some Pye Colour TVs, terrible.

I still have a few service docs on the late '60s and 70s TQ scopes, and if an S31 landed in front of me now, I would enjoy servicing and calibrating it.

Les.


On 03/04/18 14:34, Adrian wrote:
So once upon a time, in Olde Merrie England, there was a company that produced cheap but adequate oscilloscopes which they sold around the world. Then, one day they decided to remodel them to make them more appealing to their cousins in a land far away across the sea. This must have worked because a few years later one of their cousins, a Mr Tek Tronix, sailed all the way across the sea to England and bought the entire company!

Ahem, sorry!...... Meanwhile, back at the point.... I acquired a basket case of an early (pre '58 facelift) Serviscope which may be either an early S31 or a forerunner of it. This example had obviously done service as a parts mule prior to being stored carefully for a decade or two in the corner of a particularly wet and muddy field. After spending way more hours and money than it will ever be worth in a million years it is pretty much up and running and, as it is devoid of its case, I would like to find a picture so I can re-make a reasonable facsimile of it.

In more detail, the thing is very close in both appearance and schematic to an S31. It is constructed in a point-to-point way with tag-strip and not a PCB in sight. The front panel is finished in silver (was once anyway!) hammer finish paint with white legends and black & white knobs. From the looks of it the case must have been a 5-sided box a la the S51 and was retained by two 1/4 turn fasteners on the rear panel.

Some pix here: /g/TekScopes/album?id=42175 Please ignore the tacked-on components, they were just to get it going and will be replaced with more authentic looking parts shortly. The chassis mounted caps and selenium rectifiers have been hollowed out and re-filled already!

From my use of google at least, information on Telequipment Ltd and
its products prior to the product facelift and subsequent takeover seems scarce, most of the very little I know has been thanks to the VintageTek museum page and a link to the spring '67 article in TekTalk about the acquisition. Bob Haas and Dave Brown at VintageTek have been really helpful and burrowed around their archives but not found anything. I was wondering if anyone in this group may know, or could point me at, people who could help fill in the gap. Apart from anything else Telequipment is a bit of UK industrial history that should not be lost?

...and if you have been, thanks for reading!
Best,
Adrian