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Re: Any Recommended Books/URLs for _Absolute_ 'Scope Beginners?
开云体育In addition to the "XYZs of Oscilloscopes" previously mentioned, a more in-depth understanding can be gained by looking at the Tektronix "Circuit Concepts" series of books. PDFs of these may be found at David DiGiacomo's website .DaveD On 1/27/2014 8:11 AM, Bob Vines wrote:
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Re: Any Recommended Books/URLs for _Absolute_ 'Scope Beginners?
开云体育If you don't mind watching a 2 hour
YouTube video, this is an outstanding one:
Respectfully,
On 01/27/2014 09:43 AM, Paul Amaranth wrote:Cliff White, W5CNW w5cnw@... ? |
Re: Any Recommended Books/URLs for _Absolute_ 'Scope Beginners?
Do a google search for XYZs of Oscilloscopes. That's a great primer
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Tektronix put out. You can download it from Tektronix after registering, or there are other copies floating about. Do you have any PDP8s? A PDP8-i was the second computer I ever worked with. I guess that dates me. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:11:01AM -0500, Bob Vines wrote:
Since many of the Group members that post regularly seem to have up to --
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software paul@... | Unix & Windows |
Any Recommended Books/URLs for _Absolute_ 'Scope Beginners?
Since many of the Group members that post regularly seem to have up to
30-40+ years of oscilloscope experience, can you recommend good 'scope books or URLs for _absolute_ beginners? How did _you_ learn to use 'scopes? How did you learn where to use them? How did you learn where/when _not_ to use them? In my case, I've got a 453, not a (relatively modern) digital 'scope. Are there any (old) good books that I should try to buy to learn the proper use of a 'scope of the "453 vintage"? My experience with a 'scope isn't nonexistent, but I feel that it is so minimal that I risk damaging the 'scope, the circuit(s) I'm testing, and myself. I'm most likely to use my 'scope for troubleshooting vintage computers like DEC's PDP-8/PDP-11 families of minicomputers and peripherals. They range from blinkenlights & switches with core memory to what are almost "PCs" (microprocessor & semiconductor memories). And other "vintage" home computers and peripherals too. Are there any particular books that you recommend for troubleshooting (vintage) computer equipment? Thanks, Bob |
Re: 1A4 Plug-In "Invert Switch" - Tektronix Part No. 260-0723-00
The terminal shape determines the stand-off above the PCB, also for the original Continental Wirt switch. The proper terminal style can be choosen from:
http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/attributeimage?&plpver=10&assetid=1448&attname=Terminal+Option Albert |
Re: 1A4 Plug-In "Invert Switch" - Tektronix Part No. 260-0723-00
Took a closer look at the switches on mine. The logo is for CW Switches. http://switches-connectors-custom.cwind.com/item/miniature-slide-switches/ted-panel-mount-miniature-slide-switches-swidgets-/item-1504?&plpver=10&origin=advsrch&by=prod&filter=0&categid=1125&prodid=1047 This is very close dimensionally. http://www.digikey.ca/product-search/en?x=14&y=10&lang=en&site=ca&KeyWords=GF-126-0119 Not quite the same size of pins though. Something I noticed is that the switches are installed a certain height from the PCB, but there's no standoff on the switches. If you decide to go through the trouble of replacing the switches, make sure they're put back in at the same height, otherwise I'm sure the "invert pull" won't work. |
Re: 7A18A Mod 816H
Good Day,
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This has triggered my curiousity, as I seemed to remember something like a MOD 818... Here is my understanding of MOD 816H, after a few websearches and a brief reading over another Tektronix data sheet I have found on my computer: * Tektronix has offered a modification named "MOD 816_G_" for some of their oscilloscopes, such as for the 7603 and the 5400-series (the latter was also named 5403N/D40 or D41). * *MOD 816G* added *two rear-**input **connector**s**to the mainframe*, to allow additional access to the left- and right bay plug-in's inputs. * Also, standard 10x probes were not recommended (additional capacitance beyond common compensation range). * Corresponding plug-ins to match were either equipped with "*MOD 816**_H_*" (such as the mentioned 7A18A) or "*MOD 818**_H_*" (in the case of the 5A48 dual trace amplifier) for *the inputs.* * Christian Weagle kindly provides a PDF document for MOD 818H for the 5A48 plug-in here: So, Don was very close with his guess, but the additional input signals per MOD816H were connected before the attenuators, not after. *My *own guess is that some special clientel has asked Tektronix for an easy means for additional signal connections at the rear; i.e. to connect generators for precision phase or amplitude measurements. Other group members, former Tektronix-employees in particular, might chime in here. Cheers, Magnus DON CRAMER:
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Re: 7A18A Mod 816H
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:09 AM, DON CRAMER <donlcramer@...> wrote:
I hadn't noticed those. There was a discussion last week about another MOD and about those coax connectors. I believe they were used in a GPIB capable mainframe for setting the position (? hazy on that) Search the archives to find out! D. |
Re: What has Tek been merged with? was: Re: In Topic! (oddly). Manual for Beckman 777 Oxygen Analyzer?
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
<>Trojan, huh? Figures... "electronically tested"... Of course, that is only part of the story.Yeah I wonder what names have been swallowed over the years! We should make a graph or something! D. |
Re: Dallas Chips and battery backup
DS1644 (TDS 3x0) and suggested replacement with the DS1744 I took a peek at the datasheet and there are a few differences: DS1644 Unused locations could be used as regular memory DS1744 Unused locations must be zero DS1644 7FFC bit 7 is unused DS1744 7FFC bit 7 is BF or (Battery Flag) 1 - when read, 0 - RCT and backed up RAM is questionable DS1644 W(7) R(6) Century(bits 0-3) DS1744 W(7) R(6) used for whatever (bits 0-3) W=Write and R=read control bits So, it's not 100% guaranteed that he DS1744 would work.? If the value of 7FF8 were read and then B7 or B8 changed than you might be able to set the Century with a programmer.? If they just used a constant, then the 10's century and the 00 century would always get programmed to 00. So, that's a test that one might want to do: IF the year could be set to, say 2014, with the programmer.? The date needs to be set with the TDS to see if it stays at 2014. On Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:15 PM, KeepIt SimpleStupid wrote:
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------------------------------ On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:13 PM EST miketakeguess@... wrote: I would expect it to pick up the previous date and time from the last time you set it. Your experiment tells me that a DS1645 (128k nvram without any RTC) would likely work the same as a D S1556....because due to the memory map differences I think the DS1556 is acting just like an SRAM. > > > Mike Probably the SRAM would act like the last time it was set, but the mapped registers of the DS1645 and the DS1556 are way different. |
Re: Tektronix 2710 Spectrum Analyzer Unable to Coun t (VCO,IF)
Hi ! Have you made any progress with Your 2710 SA ? If the same msg appears when You disconnect the CFC board or the LOG board from the counters (microproc board) the malfunction can be at the log board or CFC board. For sure You should connect an oscilloscope to the counting outputs of the lopg board and cfc board and compare the signals (their amplitude should be more or less the same) . The messages taht are described in teh manual are only partial and even if the msg is in the service manual it's description is very poor. I think Youi should view teh signals form the log board and cfc board and compare them. Remember that the signal from the cfc board will be combined of two signals (depending on CNTSELA and CNTSELB) Let? me know about the results. |
Re: What has Tek been merged with? was: Re: In Topic! (oddly). Manual for Beckman 777 Oxygen Analyzer?
Stefan Trethan
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Of course, that is only part of the story. Each of those companies may hold others, such as Tek owning Keithley.... Pretty soon all equipment will be made by Danaher and all components by Vishay. ST On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:37 PM, cheater00 . <cheater00@...> wrote:
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Re: 067-0532-00 Leveling head problem. Resonance?
Hi Albert,
? I was wondering whether there might be something wrong with the cable grounding since you can influence the output amplitude when placing a hand nearby. Patrick Wong AK6C ---In TekScopes@..., <aodiversen@...> wrote: Some time ago I reported that this 65-500 MHz GR-based oscillator had a nice flat frequency response. But at present the output amplitude is about 10% too high in a small region around 465 MHz. When I hold my hands at the head side cable end, or around the head, then the output amplitude (at an S-2) changes some 5-10%.
I found the hand effect also when feeding the disconnected cable with the output of my 220-900 MHz oscillator. That way I could observe that the diode detector voltage (measured inside the main unit) change relatively even more than the output amplitude. The effect on the output remained after disconnecting the detector diodes (that is after desoldering the 62R series resistor). Now I was thinking of standing waves in the 5 ns cable, but the mentioned effect is only clearly present around 465 MHz. I also don't see why standing waves would have a different effect on output amplitude and detector voltage. Any idea what could be going on here? The detector head is the same as in the 067-0532-01 version of which a nice pdf is available at Tekwiki. Albert |
Re: 1A4 Plug-In "Invert Switch" - Tektronix Part No. 260-0723-00
开云体育It seems everything in the 1A4 is in a
hard-to-get-to place! I'm having to do some work on the channel 2
attenuator module. It was easiest, by far, to actually swap the
channels 1 and 2 modules just to work on the bad one... Anyone who
has seen the 1A4 knows how tricky even that is...
But all that is a price I'm very willing to pay for the superb capabilities of it. :) :) Respectfully,
On 01/26/2014 06:43 PM, mda231@... wrote:Cliff White, W5CNW w5cnw@... ? |
Re: 2465 no traces, no OSD
--- In TekScopes@..., Bob Koller <testtech@...> wrote:
Sadly no joy on cranking the bias pot up. Thanks for the hint, though.
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Re: 2465 no traces, no OSD
--- In TekScopes@..., machine guy <machineguy59@...> wrote:
The rails all look good, nicely inside specs and nary a ripple in sight. If all J119 voltages and ripple are right I would use the working 2465 you have to check signals going to the CRT.?? Especially check the unblanking signals, VZOUT and VGOUT, the prescribed waveforms are given in the service manual (waveforms 65 and 66 in the 2465 Service manual).????If there is activity closely resembling the prescribed activity in shape and, especially, amplitude the scope is trying to drive the CRT.?? The problem is very likey the high voltage board (A9) or the CRT itself.Ugh, I see I mistitled my post - the scope's a 2467, though I suspect it's much the same at the level I'm grousing? I had some trouble orienting myself between the scaled-down printout of the schematic the poor lighting where I'm trying to do this. There are cutouts in the main PCB where it feeds off to the CRT - is it the aftermost one of those that's VZOUT/VGOUT? The signal on there didn't look altogether alien, though the levels didn't look right - I'll have to look again in the light of day... If you have a high voltage probe you can just measure the voltage on the CRT anode pole.?? But don't do this if you??lack experience with high voltage measurement techniques as the voltage here is 14,000 volts or more.Thanks - it starting to look like a terminal failure to me (for someone of my limited skill and knowledge) - alas :(. You can go to the Qservice web site and see pictures of every subassembly for reference of how they should look.?? Tektronix produced these scopes for several years and used different generations of capacitors.?? So boards will look different from generation to generation but the overall layout will remain the same and there whould be uniformity within a particular build. |
Re: 1A4 Plug-In "Invert Switch" - Tektronix Part No. 260-0723-00
@ Albert: Thanks for the source. - I may look into them.
- What I failed to make clear is that I'm in the UK, so would find it easier and more convenient to deal with people over here. But, if I can't find a more local supplier, Qservice may be the place. @ snapdiode: Yes, I'll certainly give that eBay etc a try. - I've already doused the switches with Servisol and there's definite improvement in three of them, but the behaviour isn't back to normal yet. You're right, they are not in the most accessible of places. If I've got to do any major dismantling, I hope I don't damage anything else in the process... Thanks for your response. @ All: If anyone else knows somewhere in the UK who may carry these switches, please feel free to tell me . MDA. |
Re: 1A4 Plug-In "Invert Switch" - Tektronix Part No. 260-0723-00
Search for slide switch DPDT on your usual sources like eBay and Digikey. They still make 'em but I don't know if they're the right size.
My approach would be to flood the switches with contact cleaner first. They're in a bit of an inconvenient location though, eh? |
Re: 7A18A Mod 816H
DON CRAMER
开云体育My experience with MOD info is it's very scarce on the ground. ?So if I can be allowed to hazard a guess....
There are two coax connectors just visible in the top set of holes within the rear plastic frame. ?Normally these holes aren't used. My guess is the channel signal, after the attenuators but ahead of the position pots, is cabled out the back, one per channel. Hope that helps, Don To: TekScopes@... From: eggeja2@... Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 00:34:45 -0800 Subject: [TekScopes] 7A18A Mod 816H Hi to All, ? Just spotted on eBay a 7A18A Mod 816H. Anybody who knows what this Mod means? ? ? Greetings, ? Egge Siert |
Re: 2246 power supply
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I will check that out. On 1/26/2014 3:39 PM, chipbee40@... wrote:
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