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Re: New Customs Duties on Imports to the USA, regarding CondorAudio Tekscope Kits
On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 01:33 PM, Jim Ford wrote:
IMO... I'm not sure... at this time... expressing political opinions... in the forum... is a good thing.... I mean good for the forum. I'd like to here more about why people use 'capacitor kits' ... to fix 24XX series scopes, rather than sourcing the parts themselves. I don't usually replace a component, unless I know it's bad. -- Roy Thistle |
Re: TV TRC repair
I had always heard that Sony was exceptionally nasty about keeping people from rebuilding their jugs. Either this was not true or there were cracks in the system that allowed some to slip through.
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Brenda On 4/5/25 10:37 PM, Frank DuVal via groups.io wrote:
Ask ETF, the Early TV Foundation. |
Re: TV TRC repair
Ask ETF, the Early TV Foundation.
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The the Trinitron gun was probably old stock horded by someone like me... Ha! Frank DuVal On 4/5/2025 4:59 PM, greenboxmaven via groups.io wrote:
The problem is getting replacement electron guns. It is very unlikely anyone in the USA is able or willing to tool up to do this work. I think the only place left that makes television jugs is in India. I am curious where the rebuilders in the video got the replacement gun for the Trinitron jug they rebuilt. There is also the issue of people who can do the work. |
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The problem is getting replacement electron guns. It is very unlikely anyone in the USA is able or willing to tool up to do this work. I think the only place left that makes television jugs is in India. I am curious where the rebuilders in the video got the replacement gun for the Trinitron jug they rebuilt. There is also the issue of people who can do the work.
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? Brenda Gentry, KA2IVY On 4/5/25 4:08 PM, Miguel Work via groups.io wrote:
Does anyone dare to do it with an oscilloscope tube? |
Re: New Customs Duties on Imports to the USA, regarding CondorAudio Tekscope Kits
Nope, David, at the risk of getting political and raising the ire of the TekScopes leadership, Americans (assuming we are in the majority on this group), boycott anything from OUTSIDE the US.
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Jim FordLaguna Hills, California, USA On Saturday, April 5, 2025 at 12:50:23 PM CDT, M Yachad via groups.io <yachadm@...> wrote:
Tam Your video is most entertaining and well explained. Well done! The documentation accompanying my kits is spot-on, with all the correct codes and descriptions fully matched, ensuring the fastest possible clearance. Menahem |
Re: New Customs Duties on Imports to the USA, regarding CondorAudio Tekscope Kits
Tam
Your video is most entertaining and well explained. Well done! The documentation accompanying my kits is spot-on, with all the correct codes and descriptions fully matched, ensuring the fastest possible clearance. Menahem |
Re: Tektronix 2247A problem. Keep or return?
I misspoke. It looks that that particular .bin file can't be downloaded for some reason.
Luckily, 160-3493-00 / IC U2400 (I mistyped the p/n in my previous post) is socketed and there no need to desolder. I'm going to remove the IC and clean the IC pins and socket and see if that helps things any. I'll also try to swap the IC from my 2245A if cleaning it doesnt work. If that works, someone from the list has a parts 2246 with the needed IC. Thanks all! |
Re: Looking for TDS784A LV power supply schematic
Hi Vladimir and all
For the purpose of helping others who may have to tackle similar repairs, here is my report: It should first be noted that there are at least two types of power supplies: an older model using discrete standby circuitry, the schematic being the one mentionned by Vladimir, and a more recent one incorporating an integrated controller, the one I mentionned. Some photos of the repair can be seen here: /g/TekScopes/album?id=301696 Initial inspection revealed no voltage across the primary capacitor terminals, which required its removal to access the screw securing the bridge rectifier. It's worth mentioning that significant heat is needed to desolder the larger connections; otherwise, there's a risk of damaging the plated through-holes on the PCB. I used a soldering iron set to maximum temperature, in conjunction with a high-performance desoldering tool featuring strong suction. The Tektronix-branded PCB is of high quality and withstands heat very well. After replacing the bridge rectifier, I observed that the expected 15V rail, generated by the standby supply, was still missing. I replaced the TOP200 controller with a TOP226—a second-generation equivalent from the same manufacturer—which restored the 15V rail, but the main power supply still failed to start. I spent some time analyzing the protection circuitry. Disconnecting the various protection subsystems one by one did not resolve the issue. The supply remained stuck in a "hiccup" mode—operating for approximately 10 milliseconds once per second. This short active window allowed for probing and measuring voltages on the power rails. To better monitor system status, I added LED indicators to the control circuitry. The first LED confirmed presence of the 15V standby voltage. A second LED, triggered via a transistor, illuminated when the voltage on pin 10 of the 3525 PWM controller (available at the cathode of CR9 near the top of the A18 board) was high—indicating that either the overvoltage or overcurrent protection had activated, or that the power supply was shut down. I then cut away the portion of the PCB that had been completely burned beneath capacitors C47 and C83. Unfortunately, several surrounding traces were also affected by the damage and had to be removed and re-routed using insulated Teflon wire. Once repairs were completed, the LED indicators confirmed that the unit was still operating in hiccup mode. Nonetheless, I was able to take voltage readings during the brief on-times. These preliminary measurements were mostly within expected ranges. Next, I connected resistive loads to the dual-row headers labeled P5 and P6: 12-ohm, 2-watt resistors for the 5V outputs, 100 ohms for the 15V lines, and 330 ohms for the 24V rail. With these loads in place, the power supply began operating continuously, enabling accurate measurement of output voltages. All outputs were within spec, except the 24V line, which measured 32V. Since the 24V output is unregulated and rated for a nominal 2.5A, I connected an ammeter and a 10-ohm load to draw current. Under load, the voltage dropped to 22.5V, which I deemed acceptable. To mechanically reinforce the repair, I used silicone adhesive to secure the replacement capacitors to one of the power supply's metal supports. After reinstalling the unit, I was pleased to find that the device powered on successfully and passed all self-tests. |
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Jose Luu <jose.luu@...> added the photo album 784A PSU REPAIR ( /g/TekScopes/album?id=301696 ) : images of burnt and repaired area of a 784A PSU
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Re: Tektronix 2247A problem. Keep or return?
On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 05:21 AM, Jay Czaja wrote:
I have a question. What is the best way to measure ripple on the LV supply.No need to use an isolation transformer to float the scope for this measurement. The chassis of the scope is grounded normally, not like old CRT TVs or monitors that mostly had a "hot" chassis. Just use your other scope, set it to AC coupling and go as low in attenuation to get a readable signal across the power rail being tested. Connect the probe to ground and the tip to the power rail and see how much noise level you measure. You might also want to switch in the 20MHz bandwidth limiter so as to possibly get a more cleaner and relevant display. Ideally use a X10 probe, but X1 should be ok. |
Re: Tektronix 2247A problem. Keep or return?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 03:23 PM, Jay Czaja wrote:
I found also this part number 160-2393-00 on the following 2245A "TekWiki"pageYou could download that BIN file and program it into a new prom chip. Perhaps the existing one is flaky, hence the come and go error? |
Re: Tektronix 2247A problem. Keep or return?
This scope has me scratching my head. I had it running all night without any problem, I doubt part number 160-2393-00 is actually the culprit despite the occasional startup error. I suppose I should scrutinize the PSU more.
I have a question. What is the best way to measure ripple on the LV supply. When I checked it the first time, I had the 2247A on an isolation transformer with my 2245A connected directly to mains AC. I used a x1 probe on my 2245A to check for ripple and clipped the ground lead of the probe to the chassis of the 2247A. Would it be more accurate to connect the probe ground to the ground on the LV test header (J1204) instead of the chassis? |
Re: For my 7854 looking for MicroLab I
Hi Alberto!
Your scope powers up correctly. The SRQ light stays on because a power cycle was detected. This can be cleared via GPIB or the Keyboard (see manual). You can ignore this. As far as I can see there a two errors: 1: ? think the trouble with the jumping/collapsing display is an analog problem - most likely a very simple fault like a dirty/defective potentiometer. 2: The keyboard section is not that complicated. It's descripbed in the "Theory of Operation" section of the service manual. You should be able to diagnose it without the signature analyzer. Check the wiring to the front panel first. Holger |
Re: For my 7854 looking for MicroLab I
Tnx Holger (and others)!
I will study more deeply the service documentation, because I didn’t note an easier troubleshooting approach to the digital section. I am just equipped with the signature analyzer, but I understood that it was not the only tool… If you are curious about the issue that I need to fix, you can visit my Webpage that I’m dedicating to my 7854: Alberto |
Re: Tektronix 2247A problem. Keep or return?
I have a bit more info. I started the scope up again and I got the initial interrupt error that I posted in the beginning of this thread.
When I shut it off and started it back up, I was able to read the error message on the screen. It read "PART NUMBER 160-3493-00" I was able to find this in the service manual and it appears to be a microcontroller. "MICROCKT, DGTL:8 BIT MICROCOMPUTER, MASKED FOR READOUT SYSTEM" Is this a part I would need to find a donor scope to scavenge from? I found also this part number 160-2393-00 on the following 2245A "TekWiki"page and there appears to be a ROM image. Is this something that would be abled to be downloaded and programed? |
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