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Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
The balast resistor value must cancel the negative resistance of the tube discharge plus 10 to 20 percent to make the system stable, the combined tube negative and resistor positive resistanc must be positive or the tube will oscillate.?
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From: Leon Robinson <leon-robinson@...> Date: 01/04/2021 11:38 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound? The balast resistor should be located as close to the tube anode as possible (minimum stray capacitance to the tube anode). Leon Robinson ?K5JLR -------- Original message -------- From: - <rrrr6789@...> Date: 01/04/2021? 11:18 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound? ? I talked to a friend of mine that used to do Failure Analysis for Litton Laser. He has some PSUs made by Laser Drive, Inc. and he's going to look and see if he can find something with a similar part number.? He said that most of those lasers need 800 to 2000 volts at about 2mA to run and a 5,000 to 10,000 volt pulse on top of that to start them. If you can measure the tube and get an idea of the coherence length and internal tube diameter then he might be able to give you a better idea.?? He has also de-potted a lot of electrical devices and his advice is to start with the mildest solvent that will work. He said that anything that will soften the potting compound will likely break down the plastics on the internal devices (including removing the insulating varnish on the coils) and will ruin them.? He said to start with Acetone and use Methylene Chloride (ZIP Strip) as a last resort. ???? Other things, if the tube is flickering then the current is too low not too high. I'm sure that you're already aware that the tubes have a negative resistance just like a neon lamp. If the current is too high then the lamp can over heat and be damaged but you can montor the temperature in an effort to prevent that. And since the tube has a negative resistance then you MUST have a ballast resister in series with it. He said that in most lasers the ballast resister is built into the connector.? Also polarity is important but if you're using the usual Aldin connector then it should be properly polarized. On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:18 PM Dennis Tillman W7pF <dennis@...> wrote: I need to dissolve the black HV potting compound of a 12VDC powered |
Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
Emerson-Cumming used to sell a very good epoxy dissolving liquid. Wear
super strong gloves and an N95 mask on your face, or the liquid will dissolve the skin on your fingers and wreak havoc on your sinus passages. Gary On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 9:38 AM Leon Robinson <leon-robinson@...> wrote: The balast resistor should be located as close to the tube anode as-- Gary Robert Bosworth grbosworth@... Tel: 310-317-2247 |
Re: I built a TM500 mainframe tester, and updated the design. Someone might find this useful?
A frame and front panel from a 5000 series scope plugin is the same as the TM500[0] plugins. Sometimes they can be found for under $20 on ebay.
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Vince. On 01/04/2021 02:17 AM, Brian Cockburn wrote:
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Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
The balast resistor should be located as close to the tube anode as possible (minimum stray capacitance to the tube anode).
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Leon Robinson ?K5JLR -------- Original message --------
From: - <rrrr6789@...> Date: 01/04/2021 11:18 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound? ? I talked to a friend of mine that used to do Failure Analysis for Litton Laser. He has some PSUs made by Laser Drive, Inc. and he's going to look and see if he can find something with a similar part number.? He said that most of those lasers need 800 to 2000 volts at about 2mA to run and a 5,000 to 10,000 volt pulse on top of that to start them. If you can measure the tube and get an idea of the coherence length and internal tube diameter then he might be able to give you a better idea.?? He has also de-potted a lot of electrical devices and his advice is to start with the mildest solvent that will work. He said that anything that will soften the potting compound will likely break down the plastics on the internal devices (including removing the insulating varnish on the coils) and will ruin them.? He said to start with Acetone and use Methylene Chloride (ZIP Strip) as a last resort. ???? Other things, if the tube is flickering then the current is too low not too high. I'm sure that you're already aware that the tubes have a negative resistance just like a neon lamp. If the current is too high then the lamp can over heat and be damaged but you can montor the temperature in an effort to prevent that. And since the tube has a negative resistance then you MUST have a ballast resister in series with it. He said that in most lasers the ballast resister is built into the connector.? Also polarity is important but if you're using the usual Aldin connector then it should be properly polarized. On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:18 PM Dennis Tillman W7pF <dennis@...> wrote: I need to dissolve the black HV potting compound of a 12VDC powered |
7L5 shaft encoder disassembly
Bonjour a tous,
Working on my 7L5, has just one bad shaft encoder knob, the FREQ span/div Usual flaky positions 1/2/5 kHz are acting like 100/200/500 kHz. Just using contact cleaner does not fix the issue. The great TEKWIKI page has instructions for disassembly of the panel and for repari of the dot freq and ref level. However the FREQ/div and RES knobs have the encoders inside the knob housing. After extracting the assembly from the FP, a few questions: a/ How to get the steel version of the snap in retaining ring, this one has a bad plastic retaining ring. b/ How to open up the smaller inner FREQ span/div knob? No setscrew or any means visible to open it. Will later post photos Mille mercis Jon |
Re: 7603 RO mech flaky
Rodger: Mille mercis:
1/ Swapping into another 7904 MF, the issues are in the 7603. Opened up, Voila, dirty board edge connectors on the backplane, folded biz card soaked in contact renew, cleaned all 3 compartments. 2/ Found corroded axial tant on the backplane, wonder how many others lurk inside 7603? Best Regards, Jon |
Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
I talked to a friend of mine that used to do Failure Analysis for Litton
Laser. He has some PSUs made by Laser Drive, Inc. and he's going to look and see if he can find something with a similar part number. He said that most of those lasers need 800 to 2000 volts at about 2mA to run and a 5,000 to 10,000 volt pulse on top of that to start them. If you can measure the tube and get an idea of the coherence length and internal tube diameter then he might be able to give you a better idea. He has also de-potted a lot of electrical devices and his advice is to start with the mildest solvent that will work. He said that anything that will soften the potting compound will likely break down the plastics on the internal devices (including removing the insulating varnish on the coils) and will ruin them. He said to start with Acetone and use Methylene Chloride (ZIP Strip) as a last resort. Other things, if the tube is flickering then the current is too low not too high. I'm sure that you're already aware that the tubes have a negative resistance just like a neon lamp. If the current is too high then the lamp can over heat and be damaged but you can montor the temperature in an effort to prevent that. And since the tube has a negative resistance then you MUST have a ballast resister in series with it. He said that in most lasers the ballast resister is built into the connector. Also polarity is important but if you're using the usual Aldin connector then it should be properly polarized. On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:18 PM Dennis Tillman W7pF <dennis@...> wrote: I need to dissolve the black HV potting compound of a 12VDC powered |
Re: 7603 RO mech flaky
Jean-Paul,
You may also need to clean the switch segments in the plugins that are responsible for changing the readout characters - you will find some of the cam switch segments just switch different combinations of resistors into circuit to define the current into the digitisers on the readout board. If the scrambled readout is always in the same character position, eg the third character, then it is probably due to bad switch contacts, if it is the same font character eg if 15Mhz and 51MHz both scramble the '5' but not the '1' then it is likely to be a fault in the character generating ROMs. Somewhere in the manuals you will find a table showing which characters are generated by each of the several ROMs. It does seem odd that both plugins have the same fault so maybe it is the second explanation that is more likely. Do you have any other plugins that are OK? Regards, Roger |
Re: Odd 2247A problem, looking for insight
I have just had an idea for aligning holes in cases where access to some internal item might be required (and I wish I'd thought about it some time ago). It occurred to me that lots of simple little devices (such as laser pointers, laser measurers, laser torches, IR thermometers and the like) have a laser beam incorporated. If the item that needs the access-hole and the laser-pointer device are aligned without the casing being present, making as sure as possible that the laser-beam is aligned horizontally and vertically with the item to access, then when the casing is in place the laser-spot will mark on the casing where the hole needs to be made. This necessitates that neither the laser-pointer nor the device that needs external access are allowed to move between initial alignment and replacement of the casing, but that should not be beyond the wit of man. I may not have made myself clear and I haven't personally tried this idea out. I think it might just work. It would certainly be better than the bodges that I have done in the past. Who wants to be the guinea-pig?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tekscopegroup@... Sent: 04 January 2021 14:21 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Odd 2247A problem, looking for insight On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 04:38 PM, Harvey White wrote: Hi Walter, if you make that adjustment hole and it aligns successfully, could you please post the information so as to be able to duplicate it? I still need to make that same adjustment on my 2247A and was also considering making a small access hole to the trimmer, but I am terrible at matching things up and it will probably end up being way off. Thanks -Alexon a related topic, this 2247A unit has the same terrible frequency |
Re: Odd 2247A problem, looking for insight
Walter,
I'm not familiar with this instrument; so, I may be way off base --but - Rather than drilling a hole in the case, why not the following? 1) Adjust as normal 2) Close the case 3) Measure, as accurately as possible, the amount of drift. 4) Open and readjust - this time high by the measured drift. It might drift down to the correct value when closed again. Stephen |
Re: Odd 2247A problem, looking for insight
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 04:38 PM, Harvey White wrote:
Hi Walter, if you make that adjustment hole and it aligns successfully, could you please post the information so as to be able to duplicate it? I still need to make that same adjustment on my 2247A and was also considering making a small access hole to the trimmer, but I am terrible at matching things up and it will probably end up being way off. Thanks -Alexon a related topic, this 2247A unit has the same terrible frequency |
Re: Tek 4041 GPIB Controller
Monty: How can I purchase the EZ-Test tapes and others you mention?
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Gary On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 8:00 PM Monty McGraw <mmcgraw74@...> wrote:
I rediscovered a dozen 4041 tapes that I had stored in the back of a logic --
Gary Robert Bosworth grbosworth@... Tel: 310-317-2247 |
Re: 2230 storage deja vu
I should add Roger that I am not convinced that U2102 is the problem...but it might be. After reading the theory of operation, which I only partially understand, it could be many different things. If I had a tektronix guru in front of me the question(s) I'd ask are - why are both traces overlaid over each other and no way of separating them using the position controls and what would lead to each input being influenced by the other. Wherever that was caused in the circuit would answer everything I reckon.
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7603 RO mech flaky
Bonjour a tous, Voeux Nouvelle Ann¨¦e!
The 7603 is used with 7L5 or 7L12 SA plugins. All OK except both SA have a flaky RO, with several areas showing scrambled alphanumerics. If I push on the FP of the SA, the RO is fine. I cleaned the edge connectors of both, and put contact cleaner in the 7603 backplane sockets, No effect. Has anyone else seen this symptom, perhaps on other 7000 MF? Mille Mercis, Jon |
Re: 2230 storage deja vu
Thanks for that Roger. My 2230 used the later U2101 234-0408-20 chip which absolutely does not seem to exist anywhere but I believe I could get the earlier more common one you mention to work. My service manual actually shows the circuit with the earlier chip Your suggestion is probably the route I'd go in the absence of any other direction from someone. Many thanks.
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Re: Spectrum analyzer Tektronix 7L13 on mainframe Tektronix 7603
Hi Attilio,
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It's in a TO-5 transistor package, so a bit non-standard. It's not soldered in place -- it plugs into a 3-pin socket (the nice ones Tek used in later products -- the ones with the silicone gaskets around the pins), but there is enough room in the cavity to fit in a more-standard packaged device (e.g., HC-18; just bend it over). By the way, in case you haven't already read it, I recommend taking a look at The same instructions apply in the direction you're interested in, except the crystal swap goes the other way, of course. The nice observation there is that you don't need a separate instrument to retune the filter -- you use the spectrum analyzer that you already have. Just follow the manual's instructions for tuning the filter as if it were an ordinary maintenance/repair task. You will not have to alter the inter-cavity couplings at all because the retuning is a small percentage. You'd probably make things worse by playing with the couplings, so just leave those alone. -- Cheers, Tom -- Prof. Thomas H. Lee Allen Ctr., Rm. 205 350 Jane Stanford Way Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4070 On 1/4/2021 01:56, Attilio wrote:
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Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
Reading through Wikipedia, MEK is also a *welding* agent for plastic parts, used in scale modelling.
I remember having put together many scale buildings for my fathers model railroad. The "glue" I was using (from the "Kibri" company that made the kits) must have been MEK... at least in the 70ies there was no other mention for safety as good ventilation. I often got that stuff on my fingers, didn't seem to harm. :-/ cheers Martin |
Re: I built a TM500 mainframe tester, and updated the design. Someone might find this useful?
Maybe I should draw up some 3D files for 3D printable chassis parts. :D
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On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 04:17 PM, Brian Cockburn wrote:
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