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Re: 465 repair, CRT issues
Loading, finding, looking up, bla bla bla, why not just put the image here ? Too bad Dropbox turned into garbage.
As for how you described the symptom, I would look at all voltages on the CRT, including the blanking electrode if it has one, and whatever else. Just to eliminate it as a cause maybe you should short the vertical deflection plates together. Look at the manual and make sure it won't fry the amp, of in doubt disconnect one and run both plates off one or the other. There is a possibility you have cathode damage but I have no idea how it could have happened. there is also the possibility the CRT is simply weak. |
Re: 453 blows HV fuse
Sounds like you have something to investigate. Be careful not to
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electrocute yourself when finding the source of the arc, it's not supposed to arc! Try sticking plastic, move things apart, etc. to see if you can get the arcing to stop. The voltage on the base is fine when the HV isn't actually running - it's both a symptom and a result but not a cause. I would suspect the voltage is around -4.4V (or much lower than 11V) when you have the line voltage turned down. At that point it's actually running and you're getting HV. When the HV is not operating, the only way to get things going is to turn that transistor on, and at -4.4V it may not be enough to get things going. The presence/operation of HV is what causes the voltage to go down to -4.4V, if that would help explain what's going on here. On Sat, 2018-04-28 at 14:24 -0700, Richard Knoppow wrote:
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465 repair, CRT issues
I recently acquired a 465 in rather good condition, and have been cleaning it up over the weekend. Power supply rails have been checked to be within spec, including the -2450V one. CRT bias adjusted according to service manual as well.
Having just finished converting the volts/div indicator lights to LEDs, I unfortunately stumbled onto a more serious seeming trace issue. At a low intensity setting, the trace is as one would expect, albeit not particularly sharp, but still quite usable. However, at the intensities required at faster sweeps (50u/div and above), the trace takes a very peculiar appearance of doubling itself! This can be controlled at will with the intensity knob, and the two "traces" appear when the focus is at sharpest. Here are some pictures of the issue: The issue was not present just a day or two ago, so is it possible that the CRT has given up the ghost over the ~10 hours or so of power-on time during testing and adjustments? Hoping someone can shed light on this oddity. |
Re: 7904 Mainframe damaged
Hi Tony,
Glad to hear that your PSU is functional. The diode that you are referring to is VR1297 (9V zener) right? Not CR1297? In regard to the Read Out, I believe that I read somewhere in the manual that there is a way to turn off the readout via a switch inside the unit - maybe yours has been turned off? Are the switches lighting up on time base plugin when you put it in the horizontal A slot? If not, it could be something with the power on the main board. Or, is there a problem with the triggering? Best, John On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Yiu On Tony C via Groups.Io < tonycheung_hk@...> wrote: Hi John : |
Re: Intermittent no trace / sweep.
vaclav_sal
Who cares about or or of ....
I need to remove / reinstall SWEEP (!) generator board. Let me start with since it is "older" technology - does the board "pulls-up" from "mother board"? Or is it something different? Like sideways etc. instead of straight up. It looks there is only one pair of wires which is soldered in, everything else is "plug in". I like the idea of disabling the "delay sweep" time electronically - since I have no idea about the setting of presumably broken pot wafer. And yes - if you pull the delay time knob on normally working scope it DOES change something even when the delay sweep levers are not used. |
Re: 7904 Mainframe damaged
Hi John :
Now the PSU had no problem , after find the zener open ( CR1297 ) , and reference the uploaded file by Robert. CR1311 and CR1312 is not fast recovery , TEK parts reference is 1N5823 ,which is schottky barrier diode, after change it to 1N5820 , 3A 20V , 5V light now return to 5V . On the other hand , remove the short at front interface board by shield panel of mode switches , find the trace open ( -15V ) C60 to P12-pin3 and J1, J2, J3, J4 . ( it become R1541 and all plug in no -15V supply ). I did check other supply voltages to main interface board, and find the pin numbers for J1 , J2, J3, J4 at schematic are different for connected power, error or not sure at schematic ? After all the above repair completed , front panel return normal ,included button's light, GRAT ILLUM, INTENSITY and FOCUS.? Still have problems on my 7904 : 1. Horizontal A? plug in slot? ,function issue -- position problem. Same plug had no problem at Horizontal B slot ! It may be Main interface board again ? anyone know J1, J2, J3 and J4 pin-out ? it is 38 pin but it seem more pins ? 2. CRT read out no function, R2124 Readout Intensity no function at all . RegardTony CheungAPR 30 2018? ? From: JJ <jajustin@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7904 Mainframe damaged Tony, does the value of 5V lights fall below 4.5V when you increase the load to the point that the PSU shuts off? 5V lights is monitored by the Inverter Control IC U1275. A fraction of the 5V lights voltage is fed into the BAL Sense input of U1275. I would monitor TP1302 on the rectifier board and 5V lights.? There is also a sense current from T1310 that enters that Bal sense node and can shut down the PSU. On page 3-58 of the manual, it discusses the Balance Sense input. Best, John On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Yiu On Tony C via Groups.Io < tonycheung_hk@...> wrote: Hi JJ: |
Re: FG504 and failed Q270 (SPS2927)
Chuck Harris
It worked both times.
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-Chuck Harris David M wrote: Well, it happened again. I made sure to click the little "Quote Whole Post" icon before replying, but the quoted text didn't make it into my reply. Groups.io gone bonkers, or is it me? What am I doing wrong? |
Re: FG504 and failed Q270 (SPS2927)
Well, it happened again. I made sure to click the little "Quote Whole Post" icon before replying, but the quoted text didn't make it into my reply. Groups.io gone bonkers, or is it me? What am I doing wrong?
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Dave M On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 07:36 am, David M wrote:
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Re: FG504 and failed Q270 (SPS2927)
Wasn't because I didn't try... I made sure to quote the original post in my reply, but I guess groups.io scrubbed it. I replied by "Reply to Group" at the bottom of the original message (I get the digest format), and made sure to copy the original message text into my reply..
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Anyway, sorry for the confusion. Cheers, Dave M On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 05:43 am, Artekmedia wrote:
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Re: 453 cleaned up and running.
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 05:45 pm, Phillip Potter wrote:
Thanks. On scopes with no button labels I use Innerclean by Chemical Guys. Its for cleaning car interiors but works good for other stuff (like scope faces). |
Re: FG504 and failed Q270 (SPS2927)
Many thanks for what ? Relevant prior post not included ????
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On 4/29/2018 7:17 AM, NigelP wrote:
Many thanks for that; I'll look it up..... might even have some in the transistor collection :). --
Dave Manuals@... www.ArtekManuals.com |
Re: Nuvistors
-----Mensaje original----- De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de Chuck Harris Enviado el: domingo, 29 de abril de 2018 6:19 Para: [email protected] Asunto: Re: [TekScopes] Nuvistors The tunnel diode indeed does have the V/I curve shown in the books, but only if the load resistance is zero, or very near zero. The slope of that load resistance's load line has to be so steep that it only touches the negative resistance curve at a single point, as I recall. I think of that as swamping out the diode, or forcing it. The magically weird part of TD's is almost impossible to miss. If you pick a load resistor that is high enough that its load line intersects the TD's characteristic curve at only two points, it will demonstrate something to you that is seemingly impossible. A two point intersection puts the load line intersection very near the first current peak, and somewhere on the second current rise. As you raise the voltage across the series diode and resistor, the current will rise up from zero along the characteristic curve of the TD, until it reaches the point where the load line touches the curve near the peak, and it will suddenly snap over to the other intersection point of the load line. If you continue raising the voltage, the current will then follow the TD curve up to infinity, or the diode burns out. Because the theoretical maximum switching frequency of a TD is something greater than a million megacycles, this switch will be too fast to see. Hard to describe, pictures would make it easier, but I am not up for drawing, scanning, and posting the pictures right now. You can easily find the info elsewhere with a search. If you have your curve tracer set to any resistance load that is higher than the just about zero, you will see this switching phenomenon in your curve, which is what I was describing earlier. We were talking about TD switches, after all. -Chuck Harris OBTW, I think my Dad gave me that GE manual back in the mid 1960's. By gave, I mean that it got put on a shelf that I could reach without asking... so I did... A lot. Ed Breya via Groups.Io wrote: See this 1961 GE TD manual: |
Re: Nuvistors
Chuck Harris
The tunnel diode indeed does have the V/I curve shown
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in the books, but only if the load resistance is zero, or very near zero. The slope of that load resistance's load line has to be so steep that it only touches the negative resistance curve at a single point, as I recall. I think of that as swamping out the diode, or forcing it. The magically weird part of TD's is almost impossible to miss. If you pick a load resistor that is high enough that its load line intersects the TD's characteristic curve at only two points, it will demonstrate something to you that is seemingly impossible. A two point intersection puts the load line intersection very near the first current peak, and somewhere on the second current rise. As you raise the voltage across the series diode and resistor, the current will rise up from zero along the characteristic curve of the TD, until it reaches the point where the load line touches the curve near the peak, and it will suddenly snap over to the other intersection point of the load line. If you continue raising the voltage, the current will then follow the TD curve up to infinity, or the diode burns out. Because the theoretical maximum switching frequency of a TD is something greater than a million megacycles, this switch will be too fast to see. Hard to describe, pictures would make it easier, but I am not up for drawing, scanning, and posting the pictures right now. You can easily find the info elsewhere with a search. If you have your curve tracer set to any resistance load that is higher than the just about zero, you will see this switching phenomenon in your curve, which is what I was describing earlier. We were talking about TD switches, after all. -Chuck Harris OBTW, I think my Dad gave me that GE manual back in the mid 1960's. By gave, I mean that it got put on a shelf that I could reach without asking... so I did... A lot. Ed Breya via Groups.Io wrote: See this 1961 GE TD manual: |
Re: Hello from new old member
Hi GeorgeP,
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I'm over in Toronto, Ont., I don't mind driving over for big items. I only saw 5 items on Ebay, can you post a list we could look at? Thanks, Peter On Friday, April 27, 2018, 5:36:49 PM EDT, GeorgeP <george@...> wrote:
Hello from Lions Head Ontario Canada. I was on the yahoo board much more often five ten years ago when I was near Georgetown ON. I got a lot of help and ideas (Thank You!) and was also able to help out a few times. I am new at this TekScopes Home! BTW I am downsizing. I have way too much stuff! George Plhak ffwdm and george.plhak on EBay |
Re: 700 Pages of Tekscope, back to 1959, searchable, PDF download: https://ia800209.us.archive.org/21/items/tektronix_Service_Scope_Oct_1959_-_Sep_1971/Service_Scope_Oct_1959_-_Sep_1971.pdf
Hi Dennis,
On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 18:59:06 -0700 "Dennis Tillman W7PF" <dennis@...> wrote: That's not all...I've used archive.org a lot - but wasn't aware of using the "search metadata" tool to create a compilation of an subject such as "tektronix". Good stuff... Lyle
-- Lyle Bickley AF6WS '73 "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" |
Re: 700 Pages of Tekscope, back to 1959, searchable, PDF download: https://ia800209.us.archive.org/21/items/tektronix_Service_Scope_Oct_1959_-_Sep_1971/Service_Scope_Oct_1959_-_Sep_1971.pdf
That's not all...
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there is much more Tektronix manuals, catalogs, app notes, etc on this site. Dennis Tillman W7PF -----Original Message----- -- Dennis Tillman W7PF TekScopes Moderator |
Re: 700 Pages of Tekscope, back to 1959, searchable, PDF download: https://ia800209.us.archive.org/21/items/tektronix_Service_Scope_Oct_1959_-_Sep_1971/Service_Scope_Oct_1959_-_Sep_1971.pdf
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:36:22 +0000 (UTC)
"HankC, Boston, WA1HOS via Groups.Io" <hankc918@...> wrote: ?HankC, Boston WA1HOSThank you, Hank!!! Lyle -- Lyle Bickley AF6WS '73 "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" |
Re: Help with 24x5B processor board A5 and option 5 timer trigger
The original mask is unscathed.? But I am surprised that Tek did not cover the guard traces with mask.? They are just traces after all and covering them with mask would simplify repairs like this.? I understand the need for a good liquid flux, preferably no-clean which I clean after anyway.? But the pitch on these pins is so tight that, in most cases, any trace passing between would be masked.? These are not.? I wonder why. ?
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I don't usually make a big deal of soldering a simple part to a board, done it many times.? But I have never cooked a part with my heat wand before and it has me a bit skittish.? So, I am being extra careful (some might say obsessed) so I know the part isn't damaged.? Then if the MUX doesn't work I can confidently look elsewhere for the problem. Thanks again for your advice and help. On ?Saturday?, ?April? ?28?, ?2018? ?07?:?35?:?35? ?PM? ?CDT, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:
My question would have to be: did you damage that solder mask the last time you worked on the MUX? If not, it should be fine the way it is. It is the flux that allows the solder to pull back into a blob.? Without a good flux, it forms oxide stringers that allow bridges.? Good flux, and everything works out nicely. I keep the board under preheat the entire time I am working on the topside.? When I am done, I just turn it off, and let the board cool down naturally.? I find that there are fewer stress problems that way. Let us know how you like working with the preheater.? You should see a remarkable difference. -Chuck Harris machineguy59 via Groups.Io wrote: ? I plan to replace the MUX (U2530) this weekend and wonder if I can put solder mask on the guard traces between signal pins?? I would use Circuit Works CW2500 epoxy which is good to 350 C.? I cant think of any downside and it would help avoid solder shorts.? The guard traces are very close to the signal pins and shorts mean rework with solder braid.? 14 pins at this pitch are sure to get one that needs touch up.? |
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