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Re: 7B87 Plug-In

 

The 7B87 delayed timebase replaces the 7B80 delayed timebase in the 7854
mainframe to support pretrigger records and external clocking of the digitizer.

The 7B92A is a dual delayed timebase which replaces the combination of the
7B80/7B87 delayed timebase and the 7B85 delaying timebase. There are some
feature differences between them:

The 7B85 is a dual delta delaying timebase. It can display two different
delayed sweeps simultaneously. It also displays the delay and delta delay time
on the readout instead of using a mechanical dial.

The 7B80/7B87 and 7B85 support peak to peak automatic triggering and variable
holdoff. The 7B92A does not.

The 7B85 is suppose to have less delay jitter than the 7B92A.

The 7B92A supports HF Sync triggering while the 7B80/7B87 and 7B85 do not. Does
anybody ever use this?

The 7B92A has a switchable 50 ohm termination on the external trigger inputs.

The 7B80 with option 2 has XY mode although I do not think I have ever seen one.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:29:13 -0800, you wrote:

Does anyone know why Tektronix manufactured the 7B87 horizontal sweep
plug-in? The standard 7B92A does a very good job. I was always
disappointed that Tektronix was short on Application Notes. I would like
to have seen more interconnect diagrams.


Re: Curve tracer advice: RF instability.

 

Hi I agree with the advice about slowing feedback to the base circuit. Another thing is that I was concerned with the emitter connection on the 7CT1N. I never did find a solution but improving the emitter connection helps too.

Jerry Massengale

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Subject: [TekScopes] Curve tracer advice: RF instability.






I recenlty bought and restored a 7CT1N and have just made a simple adaptor for transistor testing.

Whilst everything works fine with AF devices, the set-up seeems unstable when testing higher-frequency devices (Ft around 300 to 400MHz).

1. Is this a common issue, and
2. do Tek place suppression networks in their adaptors?

John







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7B87 Plug-In

 

Does anyone know why Tektronix manufactured the 7B87 horizontal sweep
plug-in? The standard 7B92A does a very good job. I was always
disappointed that Tektronix was short on Application Notes. I would like
to have seen more interconnect diagrams.


Re: TDS 420 LVPS Schematic?

 

Sorry but schematics for TDS420 aren't available. I've repaired mine using schematics of a lecroy scope; the psu were quite similar.
Mine had a problem in current limiting circuit, triggering even with no load.
Do you hear the startup "sound" every 2-3 seconds?
You could try disabling the optocoupler disconnecting one of the two 1k resistors in series on led side.
The optocoupler is used for overload protection and controlled shutdown; is not used for power control.
Please test it without scope attached!
The PSU should be able to power on without load; it has load resistors built in.


TDS 420 LVPS Schematic?

 

I have a TDS-420 with a bad Low Voltage Power Supply. I was wondering if there is a schematic of this power supply available somewhere? It is not in the service manual. Maybe there is another Tek product that uses the same power supply?


The output VDC from the PS are nonexistent. The -5VDC is doing some weird ramping thing. The problem I suspect are the large input filter caps. I'm assuming these caps filter the AC coming off the bridge rectifier. The reason I suspect the caps is due to finding a 60HZ ripple on various test points in the power supply. I would like to have a schematic to verify this. Tracing out a circuit digram using the PCB board is a pain.


Re: OT: Experiments using high power white LEDs as stroboscopes

 

Hi Ed,

Is this a continuation of stroboscope ideas discussed in the coil winder topics (I didn't search extensively)? When I quickly need a stroboscope light for some one-time purpose I simply use a cheap ignition timing xenon flasher. Lots of light and easy to trigger via a single turn wire loop through the HV cable clamp. I don't know whether the essential parts of such a xenon flasher could be installed compact enough in an armature for your coil winder.

Albert


Re: OT: Experiments using high power white LEDs as stroboscopes

 

I think I successfully uploaded the pictures to:

"White LED strobe project"


OT: Experiments using high power white LEDs as stroboscopes

 

I've been continuing on with my coil winder project, and I had planned to put a work light on it using some of the new-fangled white LEDs for lighting. Since I had planned for quite some time to also experiment with using them as strobe lights, I decided to combine the two and see how useful a strobe would be on the winder - if the strobe was no good, I'd still have the light anyway.

I knew the main issue would be the phosphor response - both brightness and speed - whether it could reasonably render a still or slow-motion rotary action image. Since the winder will only go to a few hundred RPM, I figured it would be able to handle it.

I have an assortment of LED light assemblies from various bulbs and fixtures I have collected over the past couple of years. None have any usable part ID to search for specs, so it took some experimenting with driving them. I ultimately settled on one from a quad rail spotlight - I bought several from Costco a while back, figuring they'd make good general purpose room and shop/work lights. These fixtures are rated over 800 lumens, so 200 per light, and the internal driver supply is a CC type 350 mA up to 42V. The lights are simply paralleled, so if equally shared, each takes about 90 mA. I charted the I-V characteristics on the curve tracer, then figured I'd run the one light on about 50-75 mA at 35V. The light modules each have six SMT white LEDs on a metal substrate, compressed against an aluminum heatsink disc by a plastic ring that also mounts a plastic lens to form the spotlight pattern.

I took one apart and trimmed the disc down a bit, and rigged new hardware to replace the socket inside the light hood of an old 12V bulb type gooseneck reading lamp, which is then mounted on the winder control box perched above the work zone. To get operating voltage, I found a DC-DC converter to stack on the main power 13.8V supply to get to the upper-40V range. Ballasting of the LED module is done with incandescent lamps, which run red-orange (for long life) in lighting mode, and cold in strobe mode. The higher no-load voltage of the supply, combined with the much lower cold resistance of the lamps, allows for high LED strobe current pulses with duty factors around one percent or less.

The bottom of the LED unit is driven by a small (2N7000) MOSFET to common via a one ohm monitoring resistor. The MOSFET gate is temporarily rigged to be driven by a pulse generator (HP8111A), so the repetition rate and strobe pulse width can be controlled. The light switch sets the modes - off, strobe, and on. The MOSFET switches on and off only - the LED current is determined by the ballast circuit characteristics, so there is no need for any active current regulation loop. Ultimately, the MOSFET will be driven digitally from either the winder shaft or the traverse position encoder information, and fully automatic and synchronous at all speeds.

I couldn't find much info on the LED or phoshor characteristics, other than that the LEDs can easily take about three times their rated current at less than 10% duty factor, and there are concerns about perceptible flicker in the intensity from line ripple and PWM activity. I also found that most common ones likely use GaN or InGaN blue LEDs along with Ce-based yellow phosphors, so they will likely behave similarly, whether good or bad for this application.

I was disappointed at the current - for this application of course I would prefer a hundred times as much, but that's not likely since the higher current density will at some point blow a bond wire or shatter a die, even though the average power is quite low. If I can get it to survive at ten times, that would be decent. Right now the ballast is set up to deliver about three to four times the rated current. I haven't hooked up a scope yet to see it on the monitoring resistor - I'm just measuring the average current with a DMM. So, in lighting mode, it's about 75 mA continuous (and about 175 lumens out = nice), and in strobe mode about 250-350 mA peak.

This is getting kind of long, so I will stop here, and continue on another post with the experiment results. I also have a bunch of pictures to upload, so I have to figure that out.


Re: Curve tracer advice: RF instability.

 

On 11/28/2014 5:42 AM, r Krusell goran.krusell@...
[TekScopes] wrote:

Hi, if it is possible you can put 47 ohm resistors in series with
Base and collector and the instability will disappear.

r


A small ferrite bead also seems to work well, just slip it
over the base lead before inserting the part.
In a few cases you will need a bead on all leads.



Re: Curve tracer advice: RF instability.

Mark Wendt
 

On 11/28/2014 05:53 AM, magnustoelle@... [TekScopes] wrote:
Hello John,

nice to hear about your successful repair.

I can confirm that the well-known use of ferrite beads is an effective method to prevent oscillations.
This is why I have used plenty of them in my own adapter, see


I might have gone over the top with it, but the little "puppy" I have built can test 2N5160 transistors (with an Ft of 500 MHz or higher) without any oscillations.

Cheers,

Magnus
Magnus,

That's a heck of a nice adapter you put together there! Nice write-up too, and some very good pics to go with. I know what my next bench project is going to be. ;-)

Mark


Re: Relay for modern scope needed

 

I'm looking for help locating a replacement relay for my TDS5054.. It's the AC/DC select relay on the attenuator hybrid. It doesn't click, and there's leakage between the contacts.

It's a Fujitsu FTR-B3GB4.5Z. Everywhere I can find is either back ordered for months, or will only sell them in lots of 1000. I haven't been able to find any direct substitutes. I can't substitute anything with a different form factor because space is tight.
Hi Andy,

There's a few dealers showing stock here. Don't know if they have minimums, though.


It looks like Rutronik will let you adjust from 1000 to QTY1. Didn't check some of the others, but Verical won't sell 1.
Jay


Re: Curve tracer advice: RF instability.

 

Hello John,

nice to hear about your successful repair.

I can confirm that the well-known use of ferrite beads is an effective method to prevent oscillations.
This is why I have used plenty of them in my own adapter, see


I might have gone over the top with it, but the little "puppy" I have built can test 2N5160 transistors (with an Ft of 500 MHz or higher) without any oscillations.

Cheers,

Magnus


Re: Curve tracer advice: RF instability.

ö Krusell
 

Hi, if it is possible you can put 47 ohm resistors in series with
Base and collector and the instability will disappear.

ö


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Curve tracer advice: RF instability.

 

I recenlty bought and restored a 7CT1N and have just made a simple adaptor for transistor testing.

Whilst everything works fine with AF devices, the set-up seeems unstable when testing higher-frequency devices (Ft around 300 to 400MHz).

1. Is this a common issue, and
2. do Tek place suppression networks in their adaptors?

John


Re: 545 on Jackson Mi Craigslist

 

I think that the scope in that Craigslist ad is a 545A or 545B, not a 545.
If I recall correctly, the 545 has a plain black HORIZONTAL DISPLAY knob,
while the 545A and 545B have the 5x horizontal magnifier switch coaxial
with the HORIZONTAL DISPLAY knob.

-Kurt

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Paul Amaranth paul@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:



Not associated with seller, etc ...

jxn.craigslist.org/ele/4779935275.html

--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows



545 on Jackson Mi Craigslist

 

Not associated with seller, etc ...

jxn.craigslist.org/ele/4779935275.html

--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows


Re: Weird cursor problem on 2465 scope

 

Hi Siggi. Thank you for your suggestions about this problem.
Yes is mine 2445 oscilloscope back then, and was the only problem found on it. In my case also, the problem was .47uF ceramic cap MKP type.
As you know I am crazy with caps! Therefore entire A1 board removed (not so easy), and all caps replaced.
If I remember correctly many .22 uf caps also exist on the same board. But as I said before, all replaced.


Re: TEk 475 removing replacing big electrolythics

 

Thanks that very kink of you

my email is alan_w_global@...


Re: 5103N filtercaps

 

Good Day,

I agree that replacing the el. caps is a lot of work, but it is certainly do-able.

Allow me to include a link to my own pictures, which show the replacement work I have made on a 5441 (similar to the 5103 family).


A friendly hint: Some supply connections are made "via" the electrolytics caps' packages. The solder slugs of the outer "aluminum can" provide these connections.
These connections need to be restored, if one uses modern electrolytic caps as replacements (as shown).

Cheers,

Magnus


I bought a 5113 that had one of the caps bad � almost open, but no leakage that I could see.

I was able to remove the cap using a diagonal cutter on one leg, and a carefully placed hacksaw blade (only) between the cap body and the circuit board. Once the body was removed, I removed the tabs from the circuit board with a regular soldering iron and solder wick. I don’t remember which polarity of the power supply was bad in this scope.

I found a much smaller Panasonic replacement cap from Digi-Key. The replacement has a pair of through hole radial leads, which needed to be bent outwards to fit the wider hole spacing on the board.

You scored well with the 5L4. They seem to be somewhat rare, or perhaps for users doing audio work, which does not have its frequency range growing as technology moves on, their old 5L4N continues to work fine, so they don’t end up in the surplus market.

Steve


Re: TEk 475 removing replacing big electrolythics

 

Alan

I have several junked 475 main boards. I can photograph the top for you and e-mail you the pix.
Please give me an e-mail address where I can send them.

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