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Re: [TekScopes2] Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

Rob
 

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The truth of the matter is that shipping is the killer to the trade. I end up for all intents and purposes giving away either my labor or giving free shipping for every scope and/or plug-in I have refurbished and “returned to the wild”. ?I have enjoyed it along the way somewhat and have met new people but come the end of the day it is a money pit at its best.

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That said, with the amount you have I would consider taking a week off and picking up the lot to continue my pursuits. Of course reality is as soon as I make that offer I know it isn’t feasible…. because….even if the time I take to do it is paid for (by taking vacation from my current employer) the amount I would have to spend in gas, room and board from Northern Louisiana to your location. Would only leave me some few hundreds of dollars left to offer for the lot. If you were willing to take that. Which would only mean that I would have to donate more along the way just for the privilege of some shipping company wiping out several months of work and me refunding the purchasers price…. so I guess I resend the offer before I really was able to see what all was involved…sigh..

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Therefore I propose the only real option left for you to recover your investment is to “Cherry Pick”. You pick the parts and pieces that will sale “as-Is” for reasonable money. Pull the parts like Tunnel diodes, knobs, or rare specialty chips and easy to get parts and pieces out of the rest. Finally call your scrap buddy and get rid of the rest of the headache.

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Anyway, my 2cents for whatever it’s worth.

Rob

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From: TekScopes2@... [mailto:TekScopes2@...] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:22 PM
To: TekScopes@...; TekScopes2
Subject: [TekScopes2] Re: [TekScopes] Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

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Ah yes, there is that: If I fire up the forklift,
and take these scopes down from the pallet racks,
unwrap their protective shrink wrap from the pallet,
stand them up individually, and shoot pictures, and
then re stack them and re wrap them with shrink wrap,
start up the forklift, and put them back up on the
pallet racks, I will have spent about 4 hours more
and made my back sore, all on the promise that one
or two of these scopes will receive more than a
scrap value offer.

In the world of historical "treasures", there are
always two groups: Those that value the "treasure"
for some purpose, buy it, and do what they will with
their stuff, and those that cast scorn on the owners
of the "treasure" for desecrating the treasure, but
then put up none of their own money.

Those of us who are invested in military vehicles
and warplanes have seen this play out time and again...

I really can't afford to be the museum for these very
valuable pieces of art. I have all I need in my own
shop.

These are going to have to be scrapped unless we can
come up with a better plan than my giving them away,
or owning them for the future generations.

Thus far, the prices on Tektronix scopes have followed
a precipitous decline from their factory new prices.
I have seen none, regardless of condition, that trade
for more than the inflation adjusted factory price,
and none that trade for more than the original factory
price, save for the occasional 570 vacuum tube curve
tracer.

Perhaps there are too many examples of these scopes?

-Chuck Harris

Chin Siang Lim wrote:
> Hi chuck,
> I love the 475, 475a, 485 and the 24xx series. The 7000 would be great but
> too heavy to ship to Singapore.
> If you could put up a list, and some pictures, we will help to consume them
> over time.
> I disagree that you scrapped those scopes. That is depriving future
> generations from the benefits of
> Using those scopes, especially when someone said you do not need the money.
> Gold price is ever rising; future prices may still be higher.
>
> Scrapping is final; the scopes are gone for ever.
>
> Cslim
Re: Sphere Research storage building clearout update

 

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Let's not forget that most of those scopes are made in USA. If there is any label on the scope saying 'Made in USA', customs just let it through without any hassle.

Miroslav Pokorni

On 2/17/2013 11:34 AM, Tom wrote:

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On 2/17/2013 11:14 AM, wshawlee2 wrote:
> Many thanks to all that have contacted us, many items are now gone, and many
> more were discovered digging through the shelves.

...

> please remember, we are Kelowna, BC, Canada, easy drive from BC, alberta, oregon
> and washington,.

For those of us in the US, what amount of red tape could we expect at the border
if we return with a load of test equipment? Is a border broker required?

Tom
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

Chuck Harris
 

Thanks Stefan, your cool reasoning has helped to
tip the scales.

Thanks everyone, scrap it is.

-Chuck Harris

Stefan Trethan wrote:

People are obviously not going to pay you for your time restoring the
scopes, so just stop doing it.
Anyone interested in those old scopes has the means and will to
restore them himself. Anyone who can't do that is better of buying a
Rigol or something, let's face the truth here.

You didn't get them for profit in the first place, did you?
If you did, that's called a bad business decision, write it off.
If you did not, then stop complaining.
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

Chuck Harris
 

It's been off the bay for quite a while. I think it
was listed for about $150. There is an off the top of
the stack 434 on the bay that looks like it is going to
sell for $70 right now.

Have you looked at 7000's recently?

I haven't seen a 7704 frame sell for any price lately. The
majority of the value in a 7704 is in that 5 lb hunk of
motherboard, and the couple of pounds of horizontal, vertical
and display boards. Gold plated scrap circuit boards are
selling for $17 per pound right now. The motherboard is worth
$85 in gold scrap all by itself. Granted, disassembling to a
level where you can get those prices takes time, but so does
setting up an auction on ebay... and the cost of listing and
paying your paypal premium is not trivial.

If a 7XX4 frame isn't selling over $100, the seller is giving
away value.

-Chuck Harris

David DiGiacomo wrote:

To give you an example. I found a DOA 434 in my stash, and
because it was so cute, I cleaned it up, fixed a power supply
problem that stumped the original owner, replaced a tantalum
on one of the boards, fixed a really nasty trigger problem,
that was caused by the power supply problem, lubed all of the
pots, cleaned and lubed the panel switches, and fan, cleaned
the attenuator contacts, and did a complete calibration. It
took me a week of evenings to do the work. When it was put on
ebay, as cleaned, calibrated, and guaranteed, it got a couple
of $15 offers, and it remains unsold... as does its twin that
I did in hopes of a better result...
How much did you list it for? The cheapest current listing I see is
for $225. That's just not a good way to sell a 434.

What's the answer?
I think the answer is to take them off the top of the pile and offer
them for sale at something above the scrap value. Don't refurbish
them since that doesn't pay off.
Re: Sphere Research storage building clearout update

 

Many years ago I brought a couple of half height computer tape
drives over the border. The customs guys just laughed.

It's a little tighter now, but if you show a receipt and don't
try to conceal anything, 9 time out of 10 they'll just pass
you through. Nothing gets a customs agent madder than someone
trying to sneak something past them.

Paul

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 12:32:14PM -0800, Bruce Lane wrote:
I did a run up to Sphere many moons ago, and came back with my van's rear floor covered with goodies. The border people's most pressing question was "Is everything there for your personal use?"

In short -- I wouldn't worry. The border people are concerned with drug-runners and similar types. Us techie-collectors usually rate a mild rolling of eyeballs at most.

Happy travels.


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On 17-Feb-13 at 11:34 Tom wrote:

On 2/17/2013 11:14 AM, wshawlee2 wrote:
Many thanks to all that have contacted us, many items are now gone, and
many
more were discovered digging through the shelves.
...

please remember, we are Kelowna, BC, Canada, easy drive from BC,
alberta, oregon
and washington,.

For those of us in the US, what amount of red tape could we expect at the
border
if we return with a load of test equipment? Is a border broker required?


Tom


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Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

Stefan Trethan
 

People are obviously not going to pay you for your time restoring the
scopes, so just stop doing it.
Anyone interested in those old scopes has the means and will to
restore them himself. Anyone who can't do that is better of buying a
Rigol or something, let's face the truth here.

You didn't get them for profit in the first place, did you?
If you did, that's called a bad business decision, write it off.
If you did not, then stop complaining.

Frankly I can't raise all that much compassion for a guy who gripes
about not finding buyers, but when asked for an inventory list
considers it too much work to create.

Like each and every one of us here I have lots and lots of useless,
worthless gear sitting around, but do I whine about it? No, I suck it
up and pretend it's treasure!

And I bloody well don't test my delusions by trying to sell this junk
out in the real world.

ST

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:
Here's the thing:

I have 4 pallets of tektronix scopes taking up space in my
warehouse. One pallet is mostly 7000 series, with a few
5000 series mainframes, another is a mix of 7000 and 5000
series rack mount scopes, with a 564. The third is mostly
453's, 454's, and a few odd 434, 464, 465, 466, 475, and 485's.
And the fourth has a 585A, 545A, and 535A on it... the '45
and '35 were beautiful before the tube whores stripped them...
but recycler's don't get the luxury of judging, they just take
what they get.... ixed in with all of this are several large
boxes of plugins... nothing sexy, but the usual 7B53A's, and
7A16, 7A26, 7D14, kind of stuff...

I love cleaning, fixing, calibrating and restoring scopes
into good working condition. I have all of the Tek specified
gear for doing this, but judging by ebay sales, buyers don't
seem to value that effort at all.

To give you an example. I found a DOA 434 in my stash, and
because it was so cute, I cleaned it up, fixed a power supply
problem that stumped the original owner, replaced a tantalum
on one of the boards, fixed a really nasty trigger problem,
that was caused by the power supply problem, lubed all of the
pots, cleaned and lubed the panel switches, and fan, cleaned
the attenuator contacts, and did a complete calibration. It
took me a week of evenings to do the work. When it was put on
ebay, as cleaned, calibrated, and guaranteed, it got a couple
of $15 offers, and it remains unsold... as does its twin that
I did in hopes of a better result...

At current US scrap prices, I can get $17 per pound for gold
plated circuit boards, which is the standard price recyclers
are giving these days... I work with a recycler, so I am very
sure of these prices... There is easily 2 pounds of circuit
boards in a 434 [vertical, horizontal, storage, preamps, and
power supply are all gold plated]. The 453's and 454's have
easily 5x more...

Considering how much you folks are yipping and yapping about
tunnel diodes, and how hard they are to find, I could have
gotten more than $15 if I simply removed the two diodes in
this 434, and sold them on ebay. And I would still have a
good CRT, the aluminum from the chassis and can, the gold
plated circuit boards, a bunch of special IC's, etc... I have
gotten $5 just from a knob, and $15 from just selling one CRT
filter!.... to sell.

What's the answer? I keep hearing about how much you guys
love Tektronix and their scopes, but when one sells for less
than a tankful of gas, I have to wonder if it is all just
dreamy nostalgia talk. When a couple of days worth of cleaning,
repairing, and calibration is worth less than you would pay
for a dinner out with someone you don't even like all that
much... Where is the love?

What's it to be? Do I fix them, or Do I scrap them?

What shall I do with these scopes?

-Chuck Harris
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

 

To give you an example. I found a DOA 434 in my stash, and
because it was so cute, I cleaned it up, fixed a power supply
problem that stumped the original owner, replaced a tantalum
on one of the boards, fixed a really nasty trigger problem,
that was caused by the power supply problem, lubed all of the
pots, cleaned and lubed the panel switches, and fan, cleaned
the attenuator contacts, and did a complete calibration. It
took me a week of evenings to do the work. When it was put on
ebay, as cleaned, calibrated, and guaranteed, it got a couple
of $15 offers, and it remains unsold... as does its twin that
I did in hopes of a better result...
How much did you list it for? The cheapest current listing I see is
for $225. That's just not a good way to sell a 434.

What's the answer?
I think the answer is to take them off the top of the pile and offer
them for sale at something above the scrap value. Don't refurbish
them since that doesn't pay off.
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes..

 

There is a lot of stuff on the famous auction site that just sits there at a high price.? If you want to sell it rather than sit on it, create some useful starting bids.? You know the scrap value to you and the effort to pack and ship them.? That becomes your starting bid, not the price of the boat anchors that just sit on the auction site.

Not working makes them a gamble for the purchaser primarily because parts are made from unobtanium.? Not working is attractive when the unit is to become a "parts mule", but in some cases the failures are always the same.

One Keithley item that list on the site from $2500 to $5000 gets into some mightly feisty bidding when it starts at like $500.? It might sell for $1200.? You can also look at some of the recent sold listings for the value.
Re: Sphere Research storage building clearout update

 

I did a run up to Sphere many moons ago, and came back with my van's rear floor covered with goodies. The border people's most pressing question was "Is everything there for your personal use?"

In short -- I wouldn't worry. The border people are concerned with drug-runners and similar types. Us techie-collectors usually rate a mild rolling of eyeballs at most.

Happy travels.


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On 17-Feb-13 at 11:34 Tom wrote:

On 2/17/2013 11:14 AM, wshawlee2 wrote:
Many thanks to all that have contacted us, many items are now gone, and
many
more were discovered digging through the shelves.
...

please remember, we are Kelowna, BC, Canada, easy drive from BC,
alberta, oregon
and washington,.

For those of us in the US, what amount of red tape could we expect at the
border
if we return with a load of test equipment? Is a border broker required?


Tom


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Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

Richard Solomon
 

Calling the chap names surely will not advance your cause.

73, Dick, W1KSZ


On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:21 PM, <legg@...> wrote:
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--- In TekScopes@..., Chuck Harris wrote:
>
> Here's the thing:
>
> I have 4 pallets of tektronix scopes taking up space in my
> warehouse. One pallet is mostly 7000 series, with a few
> 5000 series mainframes, another is a mix of 7000 and 5000
> series rack mount scopes, with a 564. The third is mostly
> 453's, 454's, and a few odd 434, 464, 465, 466, 475, and 485's.

> What's the answer? I keep hearing about how much you guys
> love Tektronix and their scopes, but when one sells for less
> than a tankful of gas, I have to wonder if it is all just
> dreamy nostalgia talk. When a couple of days worth of cleaning,
> repairing, and calibration is worth less than you would pay
> for a dinner out with someone you don't even like all that
> much... Where is the love?
>
> What's it to be? Do I fix them, or Do I scrap them?
>
> What shall I do with these scopes?
>
> -Chuck Harris
>

What did you buy them for, in the first place?

I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'scopes on pallets' and curse the idiot who accumulates more material than he knows what to do with.

First thing; make a list including models, serial numbers and working order. You might have to take them off the skids to do this.

Publish the list here or somewhere else on the internet - along with contact info. You'll get inquiries from anyone searching for the part numbers.

In the worst case, list them for auction with their scrap value plus shipping material, labor and listing cost as the minimum bid. If they don't sell - then scrap them yourself.


Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

 

--- In TekScopes@..., Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

Here's the thing:

I have 4 pallets of tektronix scopes taking up space in my
warehouse. One pallet is mostly 7000 series, with a few
5000 series mainframes, another is a mix of 7000 and 5000
series rack mount scopes, with a 564. The third is mostly
453's, 454's, and a few odd 434, 464, 465, 466, 475, and 485's.
<snip>
What's the answer? I keep hearing about how much you guys
love Tektronix and their scopes, but when one sells for less
than a tankful of gas, I have to wonder if it is all just
dreamy nostalgia talk. When a couple of days worth of cleaning,
repairing, and calibration is worth less than you would pay
for a dinner out with someone you don't even like all that
much... Where is the love?

What's it to be? Do I fix them, or Do I scrap them?

What shall I do with these scopes?

-Chuck Harris
What did you buy them for, in the first place?

I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'scopes on pallets' and curse the idiot who accumulates more material than he knows what to do with.

First thing; make a list including models, serial numbers and working order. You might have to take them off the skids to do this.

Publish the list here or somewhere else on the internet - along with contact info. You'll get inquiries from anyone searching for the part numbers.

In the worst case, list them for auction with their scrap value plus shipping material, labor and listing cost as the minimum bid. If they don't sell - then scrap them yourself.
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

 

I've listed a fully-operational and calibrated 2467 on eBay for $499 and have not seen any
interest. That's the lowest price listed for a working unit of that model - others are trying to
get close to $1K or more.

=========================================

Pat,

During March and April of 2012, I purchased three working 2467's at nothing over $300.

($220, $290 and $296)

From my perspective the other prices are too high.

Look at some of the listings, some are almost a year or more old. They list them hoping someone
will fall prey.


RP
Re: Sphere Research storage building clearout update

 

On 2/17/2013 11:14 AM, wshawlee2 wrote:
Many thanks to all that have contacted us, many items are now gone, and many
more were discovered digging through the shelves.
...

please remember, we are Kelowna, BC, Canada, easy drive from BC, alberta, oregon
and washington,.

For those of us in the US, what amount of red tape could we expect at the border if we return with a load of test equipment? Is a border broker required?


Tom
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

Jim Popwell Jr
 

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where are you located,
i'm in Silverton, oregon
jim


On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

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Ah yes, there is that: If I fire up the forklift,
and take these scopes down from the pallet racks,
unwrap their protective shrink wrap from the pallet,
stand them up individually, and shoot pictures, and
then re stack them and re wrap them with shrink wrap,
start up the forklift, and put them back up on the
pallet racks, I will have spent about 4 hours more
and made my back sore, all on the promise that one
or two of these scopes will receive more than a
scrap value offer.

In the world of historical "treasures", there are
always two groups: Those that value the "treasure"
for some purpose, buy it, and do what they will with
their stuff, and those that cast scorn on the owners
of the "treasure" for desecrating the treasure, but
then put up none of their own money.

Those of us who are invested in military vehicles
and warplanes have seen this play out time and again...

I really can't afford to be the museum for these very
valuable pieces of art. I have all I need in my own
shop.

These are going to have to be scrapped unless we can
come up with a better plan than my giving them away,
or owning them for the future generations.

Thus far, the prices on Tektronix scopes have followed
a precipitous decline from their factory new prices.
I have seen none, regardless of condition, that trade
for more than the inflation adjusted factory price,
and none that trade for more than the original factory
price, save for the occasional 570 vacuum tube curve
tracer.

Perhaps there are too many examples of these scopes?

-Chuck Harris

Chin Siang Lim wrote:
> Hi chuck,
> I love the 475, 475a, 485 and the 24xx series. The 7000 would be great but
> too heavy to ship to Singapore.
> If you could put up a list, and some pictures, we will help to consume them
> over time.
> I disagree that you scrapped those scopes. That is depriving future
> generations from the benefits of
> Using those scopes, especially when someone said you do not need the money.
> Gold price is ever rising; future prices may still be higher.
>
> Scrapping is final; the scopes are gone for ever.
>
> Cslim
Tek DSA602A still avaialble at sphere

wshawlee2
 

This touchscreen, color CRT heavyweight wide-band beauty is sitting here, clogging up a bench, with a 4 trace plug in, good working condition. if any interest, let me know! will sell or trade (really would like an AM700), and since it looks like one or more people will drive up this way shortly, there's potentially a cheap way for you to get it down to the US.

I also found a box of spare 11K stuff for the 114xxs series and one for the 113xx series. will toss them in with a frame purchase. three's even a CRT in there.

there's still a lot of generic (3BP1, 3RP1A, etc.), HP and Tek CRTs left, too. Even filling Dennis's van right to the roof didn't seem to make a real dent there.

all the best,
walter (walter2 -at- sphere.bc.ca)
sphere research corp.
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

Chuck Harris
 

Ah yes, there is that: If I fire up the forklift,
and take these scopes down from the pallet racks,
unwrap their protective shrink wrap from the pallet,
stand them up individually, and shoot pictures, and
then re stack them and re wrap them with shrink wrap,
start up the forklift, and put them back up on the
pallet racks, I will have spent about 4 hours more
and made my back sore, all on the promise that one
or two of these scopes will receive more than a
scrap value offer.

In the world of historical "treasures", there are
always two groups: Those that value the "treasure"
for some purpose, buy it, and do what they will with
their stuff, and those that cast scorn on the owners
of the "treasure" for desecrating the treasure, but
then put up none of their own money.

Those of us who are invested in military vehicles
and warplanes have seen this play out time and again...

I really can't afford to be the museum for these very
valuable pieces of art. I have all I need in my own
shop.

These are going to have to be scrapped unless we can
come up with a better plan than my giving them away,
or owning them for the future generations.

Thus far, the prices on Tektronix scopes have followed
a precipitous decline from their factory new prices.
I have seen none, regardless of condition, that trade
for more than the inflation adjusted factory price,
and none that trade for more than the original factory
price, save for the occasional 570 vacuum tube curve
tracer.

Perhaps there are too many examples of these scopes?

-Chuck Harris



Chin Siang Lim wrote:

Hi chuck,
I love the 475, 475a, 485 and the 24xx series. The 7000 would be great but
too heavy to ship to Singapore.
If you could put up a list, and some pictures, we will help to consume them
over time.
I disagree that you scrapped those scopes. That is depriving future
generations from the benefits of
Using those scopes, especially when someone said you do not need the money.
Gold price is ever rising; future prices may still be higher.

Scrapping is final; the scopes are gone for ever.

Cslim
Sphere Research storage building clearout update

wshawlee2
 

Many thanks to all that have contacted us, many items are now gone, and many more were discovered digging through the shelves.

all the 22xx and 24xx scopes are now gone, as is the 11302, all over the weekend, along with a huge pile of hp gear, and my left over 11K plug ins. thanks to those that drove over to collect, so I didn't have to ship. I may find a few more portable scopes as we keep emptying out areas, will advise. I did find working Tek 2230 and 2430 digital scopes, seem to be Ok during a cursory test, clean digital traces, and look good, $150 each, as-is.

I still have 3 ea. 11402 frames (working) for $250 each, OBO. Stan may drive up in the next week or so, so there's a chance he can bring it back to the Tek museum in OR for you if you are close by. There's a couple of 7K frames too, I haven't dug down to them yet.

I also found a couple of Tek 1240 color logic analyzers and a ton of pods, cables and accessories, let me know if any interest. I'd prefer to have them go as a complete system so somebody will get real value from it. there's also some bigger analyzer from tek, DAS9200 or something, with accessories. also a few HP analyzers, and once cute little Tek 308 LA complete with pods and top carry pouch, $100. worked when I used it last. Also 3 ea. Working Tek DA series distortion analyzers in TM5003 frames, $225 each.

there are some gang EPROM programmers, various kinds, for $20-40.

Lots of HP 8660 plus ins, good and bad, also a ton of Boonton 92/93 green series power meters, wideband ac voltmeters, etc.

Bad power sensors, for parts or repair, Boonton, HP 478 and 84xx series. $5-10 each.

Many HP 5328A partial or 53xx series needs repair counters. some very nice units, your choice for $20.

if you want something brought down to you by stan griffiths, please contact him directly to arrange it. I have many bankers boxes filled with 400, 7000, 11K and similar Tek boards, displays, controls, etc., I expect all of those to head back with stan to the museum. I have similar boxes with hp boards if any interest.

if you need something let me know. I NEED to find some tunnel diodes for a bad 475 sweep, and TM500/5000 plug ins in good shape, as well as scrap/mechanical salvage for experimenting.

please remember, we are Kelowna, BC, Canada, easy drive from BC, alberta, oregon and washington,.

all the best,
walter (walter2 -at- sphere.bc.ca)
sphere research corp.
Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

 

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If you (the list population) has not read Jim Williams (as editor) book "The Art and Science of Analog Circuit Design", it is pretty much a mandatory read, IMO. I suspect most people on this have read it. The story that Craig relates is Jim's chapter in that book (Chapter 17, "There's No Place Like Home"), and was the basis for my decision to buy older, broken instruments and repair them for my own use. I don't have anything close to Jim's experience with analog engineering, but I have learned a heck of a lot figuring out how to fix these things. And some of the design that went into the older 'scopes (I can't remark about the newer stuff) was darn elegant.

DaveD
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On 2/17/2013 12:00 PM, Cliff White wrote:

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Now that's funny!!! I'm not letting him near any of my test gear... :) That would be a very good way to learn how to fix these.

On 02/17/2013 12:53 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:
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As a 17 year-old Extra class ham, I've been the victim/recipient of some
things like that. I know that I personally have a learned a LOT from fixing
stuff people have given me because they didn't want to throw it away. 
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Read the late great Jim Williams perspective on fixing stuff.  His college
supervisor told him that anything that broke, he had to fix.  OK - that was
a decent enough challenge.  But then he got into the next level, where he
and a friend would subtly break each other's test gear - then the challenge
was who could fix their stuff the quickest.  Hell of a good education on how
to resurrect broken gear.  And Jim was a classic era Tek fan - everything in
his test lab was from earlier than the mid 70's.

Craig



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Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

 


As a youth, I would bet that you pay more in fees for
one month's use of your iphone or android phone, than
the scrap prices for these scopes.
There might be some truth in that for a lot of today's youth! But still, it's not quite the same as learning to use and maintain this old gear, which could lead to a good education in the electronics (or ancient electronics) industry.

-Chuck Harris

Cliff White wrote:

I would highly recommend finding some young people like me in your area that are
interested in learning about our kind of electronics, and not only giving them some
of the equipment, but teaching them to use and maintain it as well.


Respectfully,
Cliff White, W5CNW
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Re: Question on what to do with 4 pallets of scopes...

 

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Now that's funny!!! I'm not letting him near any of my test gear... :) That would be a very good way to learn how to fix these.

On 02/17/2013 12:53 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:

==========================
As a 17 year-old Extra class ham, I've been the victim/recipient of some
things like that. I know that I personally have a learned a LOT from fixing
stuff people have given me because they didn't want to throw it away. 
==========================

Read the late great Jim Williams perspective on fixing stuff.  His college
supervisor told him that anything that broke, he had to fix.  OK - that was
a decent enough challenge.  But then he got into the next level, where he
and a friend would subtly break each other's test gear - then the challenge
was who could fix their stuff the quickest.  Hell of a good education on how
to resurrect broken gear.  And Jim was a classic era Tek fan - everything in
his test lab was from earlier than the mid 70's.

Craig



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