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Re: Tektronix 475 with no display


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Also, this is the tek ?part number: 151-0280-00 (the casing also has the number 536 printed on it).


On Jul 21, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Tom Miller wrote:

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Ok, that's good. You might check the bridge rectifier diodes. You might have one diode open. Or maybe just replace it anyway. I have gotten them from radio shack - I think it is a 400 volt bridge.
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Tom
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tektronix 475 with no display

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Unfortunately, I don't currently have access to another scope. Still haven't heard back from the guy I asked.


I did remove C1412 (350uf, 75V), but ESR seems fine (in and out of circuit). I tested the system with another cap (1000uf, 200V) but everything was the same. Did my (limited) choice of test capacitor affect my testing?

I started testing everything else I could last night. I wasn't finding too much wrong with simple components. The op-amp voltages were lower than the schematic shows (9.6 instead of 10.4, and 8.8 instead of 9.0), but swapping with a matching op-amp didn't change anything (for either the 50V section of the swapped section).

One odd thing, which was throwing me for a loop, was that the unreg 50V and the 105/160 test points were always low and I assumed that was partially why the 110V was only reading 94V. This morning, I powered it up to verify some numbers for this post. It was reading better on the the unreg 50 and 105/160 lines (roughly 66 and 136.6, respectively).

I tested some more expected voltages around the 110V area (as listed on the schematic) and found Q1496 transistor to be the first place that I saw only 93.x volts. I pulled that and it tested to be open with all +/- test variations (the ground was shorted to the case, of course, but the pin tests were all open).

I'll start by replacing that part next and hope it's the last piece of the puzzle.
Any input on the capacitor would be appreciated as well. At this point, it seems like my C1412 is fine and I'll probably just place it back into the system.

Josh


On Jul 19, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Tom Miller wrote:

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I think you need to change C-1412 also.
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Can you take a look at the ripple on the 110 volt?test point? Be careful. 110 volts hurts a bit.
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Tom
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tektronix 475 with no display

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So I replaced the two capacitors (C1414 and C1442), reviewed the schematic and made sure that any connected points were still making contact (need to add a jumper from C1442 to CR1415, due to my removal accident where I damaged a trace).?

I backed off the +50V adjustment, fired it up, adjusted it back to 50.0V and now I get the following:
+50=50.0V
+110=91.0V
+15=15.0V
+5=5V
-15=-14.8V
-8=-7.9V

+105=132.0V
UNREG 50=~66V

Now, those all look to be within spec except for +110 (at 91V) and possibly the 105 (at 132, schematic shows 136). I did some searching/testing and didn't see anything major wrong, so I tested the resistance values.

TP - expected - measured
110 - 11K - >20K (too high)
50 - 2.7K - 2.7K (perfect)
15 - 63 - 66.3 (within range)
5 - 46 - 49.9 (within range)
-15 - 480 - 12.9K (too high)
-8 - 32 - 31.2 (within range)
UNREG 50 - 14K - >20K (too high)
105 - 12K - >20K (too high)

So my 110 and 105 lines are both showing low voltage, so the higher resistance made sense to me. But the high resistance on the -15 line seemed odd. My assumption is that it means the voltage compensation is working overtime and properly correcting for an issue somewhere. Is that correct?

In reading the service manual, it states to attempt to test the rectifier, the current-limiting transistor, and the op amp. I see that the 105 and 110 both get fed from the +50V rectifier as well as the 110 op-amp pulling from the regulated 50V line.
When I get home from work, I intend to test the 50V supply area more. What I'm wondering is if anything I've stated throws an "obvious" flag for anyone with more experience. When I tested the current-limiting transistor for the 50V section, it had some voltage (the manual states it should be "off", which I take to mean 0V). I'm just not sure if that's the cause of the issue, or a result.
Based on some time staring at the manual, I'm assuming the rectifier is more of an issue, but that's a guess.

Also, as a side note, I can get a line when I press the beam finder button now (I did not previously). So some progress is being made (aside from the obvious progress of mostly-proper voltages).

One final thing to mention: This morning I powered it up before heading to work, just to make sure I had noted the proper values. When I did that, the voltage readings were better on 110 and 105 (94, 136.9 respectively). But as a minute or two went by, and things warmed up, the voltages started to drop. Again, this tends to make sense to me as something is most likely expanding, providing more resistance, and cutting down the potential. Any confirmation/correction would be appreciated.

Also, again, those caps are tricky. I've been soldering (hobbiest, not full-time) for at least 15 years, and I had a rough time replacing the caps. Everything works and tests out nicely, but it doesn't look so great (good joints, but heat marks, etc). I'm definitely not used to this older style of circuit board. Way too easy to lift traces, but that was a good lesson learned.

As always, thanks for all of the information. It's been greatly useful for my learning process.
-Josh

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:08 AM, David <davidwhess@...> wrote:
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:25:01 -0500, "fakecrap@..."
<fakecrap@...> wrote:

>Great info, thanks. I was under the impression that I should replace with
>like-sized capacitance and at least similar voltage (higher being OK as
>well).

In high ripple current applications, sometimes higher voltage
capacitors than strictly necessary are used because the larger
physical size can dissipate more heat so they last longer.


>I assume the capacitance is OK to increase because it's a power supply and
>gets regulated afterword, correct?

It is fine within reason. Increasing the capacitance could increase
the startup current or delay the startup in a switching power supply.
In this case it is a standard 60Hz rectifier and capacitor filter so
the surge current will be higher with more capacitance. I would use
the same value or the next higher standard value if I was being
conservative.


>Either way, I'll order some of those up and see what happens. I'm thinking
>I'll leave others alone, but I'm still internally re-hashing the age-old
>debate of whether or not to just replace all the big cans while I'm at it.

If the failure is age related, then I usually replace all of the
similar capacitors.








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