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Re: Is it possible that the 151-0367-00 transistor story is horribly wrong?


 

All excellent questions. You are right to be skeptical about a 100% failure rate, and your following that up with tests on a BF199 indict the test method more than the transistor.

It's relevant to mention that many high-ft transistors have vey low breakdown voltages in inverted mode (i.e., collector and emitter exchanged). Depending on how those Chinese component testers do their analysis, it's possible that the transistor is actually driven into reverse avalanche breakdown, which could very well be (mis)interpreted by the tester's algorithm as a diode being present and forward-biased when the emitter voltage is above that of the collector. For grins, I tried some 5GHz microwave transistors (Toshiba 2SC3302) that are known good (my students use these by the bushel in the microwave circuits class I teach). They (the transistors, not the students) all behave the same on the Chinese component tester as the "bad" 151-0367-00 transistors. The tester insisted that these transistors had the infamous C-E diode. A standard DMM diode test does not show this diode, because the DMM's applied voltage is too low to provoke reverse breakdown.

So, the tester is the problem, and not the transistor. Based on this set of results, an automatic "replace on sight" policy for these transistors based solely on a component tester's say-so seems unjustified, especially since the tester is most likely to make an error when evaluating possibly expensive high-ft devices.

-- Cheers
Tom

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Prof. Thomas H. Lee
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Stanford University
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On 9/13/2023 05:33, radiobero.bb@... wrote:
And this is where my doubt begins –
1. how is it possible that absolutely the entire stock high frequency transistors I have is defective, and that not a single one is good?
2. why did tektronix decide to hire semiconductor manufacturers to make such a transistor with custom characteristics,
when at that time all of transistors what is listed as replacement today, was available at the time of manufacture of the oscilloscope?
3. Is it possible that these Chinese testers cannot handle the characteristics of these transistors, so they declare them defective?
4. why didn't I know or feel the need to open my tektronix until one of the big electrolytes failed and the device stopped working because of it,
and most likely these transistors were in the same state the whole time?
5. if those transistors are so bad, why does my oscilloscope work at all when they are in there?
6. I put the original tektronix transistors back on the trigger board (luckily I didn't throw them away), and why does the trigger work better now?
7. Why does it say - selected from stock, in some places next to these transistors in the manual.
Does that mean that in addition to being custom-made, they also paired them?

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