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On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 02:42:58 PM PST, cheater cheater <cheater00social@...> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 2:44 PM Lawrance A. Schneider
<llaassllaaass@...> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 01:28 PM, Jim Ford wrote:

A dispute with group co-owner Michael Dunn, as I understand it.

That's incorrect, Jim. There was a dispute and it was about Chuck
acting very badly on the list which is the actual reason he got kicked
off. Other words would better describe his behavior that I won't want
to post here.

In a private message, Chuck told me roughly the same thing.? I do not have permission to post that message and thus, will not.? I have not asked Mr. Dunn for his version of the dispute as I have never specifically sought his advice about any problems I've had with my scopes and thus have no personal relation with him.

You're using his list, every message you send comes through something
he set up and has been taking care of, that's your personal relation,
you could show a little bit of thankfulness for that.

My wish is that the two groups combine.? Chuck has been an inspiration to me and the banter between he and others helped me refurbish a 2445B.? As I understand it, the purpose of this group is to EXCHANGE IDEAS.? So long as 'banter' is polite, I welcome and appreciate it.

And that's the sticking point. Chuck has been impolite to countless
members. He hasn't been like that to you, so you regularly come back
demanding he gets unbanned. It's not happening.

People like you say "oh I thought this was about the EXCHANGE OF
IDEAS". Yeah, no, you can't have exchange of ideas in vacuum, it's
always connected to people acting personable towards each other, and
Chuck showed time and again that he can't be trusted to do so.
Personally I think people who don't manage to do that are like people
who can't wipe their own butt, and should be pitied, but also it's
been demonstrated they don't belong here.

As I understand it, Chuck has been asked to rejoin the group and declined.

He wasn't. Stop repeating made up stories that aggrandize your friend Chuck.

I like/enjoy/learn from the banter between various peoples on this group and the '2' group.

That's nice - for YOU. Chuck took away this enjoyment from many people.

These groups are the closest 'amateurs' like me have to the peer reviewed journals I used to read so many years ago.? The group separation is similar to the censorship of ideas.? It is absurd to go from one group and quote something to the other group seeking the banter enjoyed within each SEPARATELY.

Peer reviewed journals exist like they always have. Chuck helped you
repair a few scopes. That's in no way comparable to the sheer amount
of work required to progress the world's state of science to an extent
where someone wants to actually publish you in a peer reviewed journal
that people read. It's a glorified engine oil change, and you're
romanticizing.

The truth is that the list has been faring perfectly well without
Chuck and the likes of him and therefore it's right to say "good
riddance" on someone who's been less than nice to people on here. If
you cared about the list you'd care about how others are being made to
feel, rather than zero-in on what sort of repair advice resources you
can acquire, to the exclusion of any other consideration of other
members of the list. We're not here to entertain a guy who you want to
keep around. You have his email address, go email him on your own
dime, we don't want the toxic radiation.

Every time Dennis Tillmann is brought up you start spinning yarns
demanding Chuck gets unbanned. Dennis has no role in this and probably
wouldn't anyways. Stop asking. He shouldn't have been an a**hole to so
many people.

Can the Chuck thing die off already. It's not happening as long as the
list owner is alive, and you all know it, so drop it.