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Re: A sick 465B


 

Let's say that you have a bridge rectifier feeding a regulator directly, and the filter capacitors are open.

Whenever the input voltage rises sufficiently for the regulator to work, the regulator output flat tops at the desired voltage.

When the voltage drops below the part where the regulator works, you're likely to get a volt or so less than the immediate voltage to the regulator.

Looking at this with a scope, you'd get a lot of ripple on the output of the regulator.

If you were feeding the regulator with half wave rather than full (say one diode was out), then you'd get worse ripple.

I'd look at the input to the regulator, and the output from the regulator to see what's going on.

Since in this scope, the supplies are likely referenced to only one supply, I'd make sure that the supply that is the reference is perfect.? Ripple on other supplies will not really affect the reference supply, just the individual supplies themselves.

Since the other supplies use the reference supply, any faults on the reference supply are likely to be reflected in the other supplies, even if the DC voltages to them are perfect, and the regulators on the other supplies are working perfectly.

You might want to consider what your meter reads on the DC or AC range when there's DC riding on AC, or AC riding on DC (depending on what you wanted to measure).

I'd really look at this with a scope to see what's what.? Then adjust your perception of what the meter readings ought to be.

Harvey

On 2/12/2022 12:13 AM, Jeff Dutky wrote:
I¡¯m starting a new topic about the same 465B that I mentioned in Morris Odell¡¯s topic about his 7904 with interesting CRT distortion, because there is more wrong with my scope and I don¡¯t want to clutter Morris¡¯ thread with irrelevancies.

I¡¯m looking at the power supply rails (as thou shalt) and the main regulated rails (-8, +5, +15, +55, +110) look spot on in terms of voltage, but four out of five (all but the -8 V rail) have ripple that is way out of spec (0.5 V at 60 Hz). I also tried to check the unregulated rails, which are marked on the silk screen but do not have dedicated test points, so it¡¯s hard to know where to poke a meter lead. Regardless, I poked at each of the tree pads beneath each of the five large filter caps, and I got the following readings for the center pads (outer pads are ground unless otherwise noted):

-8 = +5 V (outer pads = -8 V)
+5 = +10 V
+15 = +24 V
+55 = +78 V
+110 = +162 V (outer pads = +78 V)

I do not understand what this means.

I had assumed that the ripple indicated bad bulk filter caps, but these unregulated voltages being so far off suggests much more serious malfunctions. Maybe the rectifiers are bad? But I would expect the regulated rails to be off if the unregulated were way off their specs.

As I said, I don¡¯t understand what I¡¯m seeing.

¡ª Jeff Dutky




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