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Re: 11801C and the T1331 error: lost factory TB calibration data.


 

For some unexpected reason the formatting of my previous post was lost so here it is again in what I hope will be a more readable version:

Everyone:
The following subject threads with their email responses are "very" or "some what" relevant to this discussion of fixing lost cal data in the 11K series.
These are the TekScopes archive email numbers and the dates they were posted:

VERY RELEVANT
Programming a new NVRAM (Dallas DS1220Y) with a EPROM programmer
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #119113 ¡¤ 10/01/15
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #119111 ¡¤ 10/01/15

Repairing an expired NVRAM battery in 11A32, 11A33, 11A34, 11A72 plugins
By Vince Vielhaber ¡¤ #118126 ¡¤ 08/19/15
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #118121 ¡¤ 08/19/15
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #118115 ¡¤ 08/19/15
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #118063 ¡¤ 08/16/15

Addendum: Repairing an expired NVRAM battery in 11A32, 11A33, 11A34, 11A72 plugins
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #118098 ¡¤ 08/17/15

SOME-WHAT RELEVANT
11801 Sampling Head
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #119056 ¡¤ 09/29/15 ¡¤
By Dennis Tillman W7PF ¡¤ #119043 ¡¤ 09/28/15 ¡¤

Tektronix 11000 series vs. modern scopes. Sampling rate and aliasing questions.
By ditter2 ¡¤ #96382 ¡¤ 07/26/13

11A33 - what are possible problems, gotchas, and revisions?
By cheater cheater ¡¤ #96393 ¡¤ 07/27/13
By fjh001 ¡¤ #96406 ¡¤ 07/27/13

I hope this helps. Often, although it may not be the exact answer to your specific problem, it will guide you to a solution. If that is the case please share it with the forum so we can add it to our "bag of tricks".

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Albert Otten
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 9:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 11801C and the T1331 error: lost factory TB calibration data.

[This topic continued from /g/TekScopes/message/158778 ] I know the discussion was about the later CSA803(A/B/C) and 11801(B/C). I have an 803 and an 803A. The U500/U511 batteries in my 803 were dead, so factory calibration constants would have been lost and I could freely experiment with the CCALCORRECTION command. To my surprise this command was unknown to the 803. This is also confirmed by the commands lists in U810/U910 EPROM images. The CSA803 Service Reference is now available at Tekwiki (thanks H?kan!). There is no reference at all in that manual to factory set calibration constants. The corresponding texts in the C version was obviously added later on.
So I am convinced that in the CSA803 nothing is lost when an A5 time base board Dallas chip dies.

[[BTW in the pdf manuals provided by Tek you won't find words in the added text with an ordinary search. Likely Tek used a custom character coding in the added text. If you copy-paste for instance T1331 from the added text into the search field then you will find the other instances of T1331 in the added text.]

Albert
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 04:21 PM, freemail8877 wrote:


Hi, first post to this forum. I have very much enjoyed browsing, and
thought I could contribute with this information. Thanks guys for
keeping this forum so interesting. The T1331 (loss of battery backed
up information in the Time Base/Controller board NVRAMs) seems to be
an error to avoid, by backing up/replacing the NVRAMs on that board.
See e.g. the topic "Saving A5 Timing Board NVRAM calibration constants
CSA803 (A/C) and 11801(B/C)" for how to. To answer some question
raised there, here is some information from the Tektronix documentation.

In the 11801C User Manual (070-9971-01), on p. 3-112 (p.262/440 of
the pdf), I found this:

"Initializing and Erasing Nonvolatile RAM:
...
The following information is not lost:
...
- Factory calibration constants, which are established at the factory
and cannot be changed by the user or by the 11801C

- Enhanced Accuracy calibration constants, which are periodically
calculated and updated ..."

And in the 11801C Service Manual (070-9972-02) on p. 6-108 (p.244/286)
it is
stated:

"Time Base Calibration Errors:
...
Calibration data to enhance the time interpolator linearity is stored
in NVRAM on the Time Base/Controller board. If this NVRAM fails, a
T1331 error occurs during power-up diagnostics. The values are written
at the factory with the GPIB command CALCORRECTION.

CALCORRECTION<ui>:N

where <ui> = 0..32 and N = -128..+127

CAUTION: The calibration enhancement values are set at time of manufacture.
There is no query form of this command. Do NOT reset these values. If
a T1331 failure occurs during extended power-up diagnostics or you
suspect a time interpolator error, contact Tekronix factory service.

A T1331 failure causes all N values in the 33 ui locations to be reset
to zero. The oscilloscope will still run, but with decreased accuracy
in the time interpolator linearity. Resetting NVRAM with the Teksecure
feature does not affect the Time Base/Controller board NVRAM."

So now the big question seems to be:
Does anybody in the group know, or know who might know, how the
factory calibration procedure is, how the 33 N-values are determined?

Does anybody know how much the accuracy is affected?

Monica A.

PS:
I have for many years been a Tektronix scopes addict, It started with
the fascination in late 60's and early 70's, when I saw and used a 535
with Type CA plugin at my father's workplace. Being interested in
electronics, this was heaven. I now have a 7904a with sampling and
non-sampling plugins, a 7704a which rudely enough let the smoke out of
the power supply, a newly acquired 7603, and a 468. The design and
layout of the fronts are just so great. An 11801C is on the way in, so
I have used search a lot lately. It is said to pass POST, and a
picture shows the graticule on the screen, so hopefully it's OK.




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Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator





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Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator

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