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Re: TG501 20ns 10ns 5ns


 

Hello Kerry,
I don't own a TG501 so I don't really qualify as an expert, but I downloaded the service manual from the Tekwiki (here: ) and, by just looking at the block diagram, it doesn't seem a simple tweak (e.g., the turn of a trimpot) to change the time marks of 20ns to 25, the 10ns to 12.5 and 5n to 6.25.
Still, it's technically possible that only the 20n and faster ranges are off, since all the slower ranges are derived by direct division of the 1MHz reference clock, while the faster ranges, rely on a 100MHz clock internally generated by PLLing the 1MHz reference clock, which is divided by 100 (in successive divisions, ¡Â5, ¡Â2, ¡Â5 and ¡Â2) and phase compared to the reference 1MHz clock.
If the error is exact (i.e. if the 20ns is turned into exact 25ns) a good theory could be that something wrong with the 1st stage of dividing by 5 (U310A, U310B and U315A) is making it divide by 4 instead.
This would make the PLL to generate an 80MHz frequency, instead of 100MHz.
First hypothesis that came to my mind was that a decade divider IC could have been replaced by a binary divider... But not applicable in this case, as the ¡Â5 is obtained by a discrete combination of 3 ECL flip-flops.
My second hypothesis is that, maybe a false contact, (a bad IC socket comes to mind) is interrupting some signal in this ¡Â5 logic, causing it to misbehave and divide by 4.
In face of the known issues that some Texas sockets used by Tektronix on the equipment of this vintage, it's worth to give it a check.
See this link () for more information on the dreadful Texas IC socket.

If, however, the error is not exact... than it may just be that the PLL is failing to generate the 100MHz clock.
In this case, it can be easily diagnosed (even with an uncalibrated scope), by just displaying simultaneously (on 2 channels), the 1MHz reference clock, at the same time with any of the clocks generated from the - supposed - 100MHz clock.
If you trigger in one and the other roll on the screen, or vice-versa, than it's the PLL that it's not locking.

Hope this helps,

Rgrds,

Fabio

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 01:14 PM, <kburns@...> wrote:


Hello

I'm a newcomer to this group who has fairly recently acquired a SG503, PG506
and TG501 in a TM5003 module. All of these units are working fine, apart
from the TG501 which shows some odd outputs on the 20ns, 10ns and 5ns
markers. The timing seems to be correct on the slower markers (50ns and
below), but the 20ns, 10ns and 5ns show as 25ns, 12.5ns and 6.25ns
respectively. The 2ns is correct (can't check the 1ns, given the bandwidth of
my old Tek 2465A). I've checked the markers on a second scope as well. The
TG501 is a later model (Bo51xxx).

My first thought was that there must be a fault with the 20ns, 10ns and 5ns
outputs - possibly in the dividers - but then wondered if perhaps the
generator had been deliberately modified at some point to give the 25ns,
12.5ns and 6.25ns values. I'm not sure if this mod would be possible with
the TG501? I've had a good look at the manual, but before I start delving
any further I wanted to be sure it is a fault. I have checked the power
supply voltages and ripple and the 1 Mhz oscillator - these are all good.

Any advice on this issue from the experts here would be appreciated.

Thank you

Kerry

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