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Re: 466-464 stray wire


 

Hello Jim,
I`m glad I was helpful.
On your comments about taking out the big capacitors, I can't be more glad that you didn't have problems. you're either very lucky, or very, very good with the solder sucker (or both).
I had to do the same on mine, I consider myself very good at desoldering using a solder sucker and always did this kind of job on double-sided, through-hole plated boards without hassle... and I had a real bad time taking mine out.
I lifted at least 3 or four pads from the capacitor side, and stripped out an equal number of through-hole vias.
It was a real pain to put it back together, without having to make ugly wire jumpers. (I used tiny bits of component leads and wires, to make back the connections between both sides, using the available space around the capacitor pins, sometimes making the pins a bit thinner, to make room for the interconnecting wires inside the holes.
Nevertheless, since you mentioned that you had to wiggle them a little bit for them to come out, I recommend you make a careful inspection of all the through-hole vias and make sure they're in good shape.
The adhesive that sticks the copper to the board on those ancient boards are not top notch compared to modern boards and they won't stand a second desoldering session so, you don't want to be forced to take them out once again, just because you overlooked some through-hole via.

Regarding your question about C1713 (couldn't find a C1712), when I got my 464 on 2016, this one was already replaced by an aluminum electro (of 25V).
This fact gives room for assumption that the original Tantalum of 25V failed in that position, and I wouldn't hesitate in shuffling a 35V tantalum, or even a regular aluminum electrolytic there.
However, in face of the majority of other Tant caps that are infamous for failing in those scopes (of which Tek sometimes would use a 15V cap on a 15V rail), this one spec'd at 25V is not so badly spec'd after all.
This winding of the transformer seems to be something about 10Vac, and it puts just about 14V (rectified) across this capacitor so, I think that even 25V there will do fine but, if you can fit a 35V capacitor there, it's the best case scenario.
Ah... in time... if what you're worried about this, is that it's a 25V cap on a +140V supply (actually +154 unreg)... no fears... it's hooked to the +140V supply at its negative side so, it only "sees" the difference (which is about 14V).

Rgrds,

Fabio

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 05:42 PM, Jim Olson wrote:


Thanks Fabio for the reply. I opened my PDF copy of the 464 manual and found
the +15 volt end of the wire on the TRIG-VIEW switch but didn't know where it
went from there. Did some careful perusing of the TRIG-GENERATOR SWEEP BOARD
and found it at the bottom as you descibed it so then after I got my early 466
manual searched it out and found it also.
Appreciate the description of the circuit and also the chip diffs

i have started to put together the list of capacitors I am going to need and
have pulled the 6 caps from the interface board for the 466 I did not have any
real problem getting them off was a bit hesitant at first because of the
horror stories on here from folks doing that. Some time back I picked up a
real nice desoldering tool from Radio Shack it is a bulb sucker type with the
bulb attached above the handle and to the tip with a tube so you can put the
tip on the connection to be unsoldered and when soft just release the bulb
cleans off and out all the solder.
Once I got the first one out it was easy to see how they were attached just
put the tip hole down over the small pins first sucked out the solder so they
were loose the worked on the big one wiggling the cap while heating took two
three time to get it loose big hole filled up with solder on that one.

Have a question on two of the tant caps used in the power supply for one
section of the output they are two 47uf 25v caps # 1712 & 1713 they are in a
half wave rectified section and across the output for the +140v supply it
seems that 25v is a bit low here? Any comments here?

Jim

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