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New member
Hello sailors, Rob sends New Year's greetings from Jacksonville, Florida. I am the new owner of a 1962 T27, hull #8 currently sitting on the hard at Wikander's on the Eastern shore of Maryland. It's got a Yanmar, that's mostly all I know about it. Bought it sight unseen off Craigslist from the yard owner in October.? Hoping to get up there asap, as work has finally slowed.? I also own a 1974 Allied Chance 30, currently in the St. John's river. Recently struck by lightning, now full of holes. Have temporarily patched the leaks, waiting until I see the Tartan to make a decision how to proceed.? |
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Re: Farymann diesel
I¡±m in a similar situation with my 1978 27-2 #673 which had been dry docked for several years before I bought her. I disassembled the A30M when the yard declared the motor a total loss (the young man hadn¡¯t encountered an engine of that vintage) and am cleaning up the deposits and scaling. I have some reservations given the availability of parts. I know there is no cost-benefit analysis as we are talking about sailboats. My son tells me the Farymann is very straightforward and the rebuild will be enlightening (and lightening of my wallet...).
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Re: Farymann diesel
Farymann North America seems to only somewhat support the engine. It's been 50/50 for me. If they have the part, they'll help. Otherwise, they've been marginally useful to me in tracking down old part numbers so I can try to find alternatives.?
That said, we haven't had much cause to worry about the engine. For the most part, it's operating just fine. My issues have been more related to the raw water pump. |
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Mizzen mast,boom and sails
Hey All. Hull 16 "Free Spirit" originally a yawl has been sailing
for many years now in Bellport Bay as a sloop. Consequently I tired of looking at the mizzen rig and sails which include a very pretty mizzen staysail. The Bellport area is located approx. halfway out on Long Island NY. If your interested drop me a line. |
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Re: Tartan 27-2 Repower or Replace Head Gasket
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI repowered my T 27-2 from a Farymann to a Beta 14, with Beta¡¯s mountain a good fit, not cheap but a great upgrade.?Sent from my iPad
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Re: Tartan 27-2 Repower or Replace Head Gasket
Hi! We have #662, also a T27-2. When we bought ours I could not get the Farymann to free up. I wound up going electric, which works fine for what we do. I do not think the A4 was available in the later boats, but I could be wrong. When trying to locate parts they were virtually non-existent, and ridiculously expensive if they even could find them. Good luck, keep us posted! Fred Liesegang #662 Eagle |
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Re: Tartan 27-2 Repower or Replace Head Gasket
Graham,
Replacing the head gasket(s) on an engine is not the most difficult job (if you can find a replacement gasket).? We replaced the head gaskets (2) on our Atomic 4 a while back but Moyer Marine has all the parts for the Atomic 4.? I gather that there is no such source for Farymann engine parts which explains why they are dissappearing in sailboats.
Beta engines make engines that are "drop in replacements" for the Atomic 4.? I think you'd have to speak with them about which model(s) would work best for a Farymann A 30 replacement and re-using the old engine mounts.
A new Beta engine (Kubota engine block) would be a great upgrade for your boat and should last many years with cheap engine parts available from Kubota.? The initial outlay will not be cheap but should give you many more years of trouble free motoring.
Good luck.
Caleb D
T27 #328
-----Original Message----- From: graham.mellen@... [T27Owners] To: T27Owners Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2018 1:33 pm Subject: [T27Owners] Tartan 27-2 Repower or Replace Head Gasket I own a 1979, Tartan 27-2 (Hull #706).? The boat has a Farymann A30M diesel engine.? On the last trip of the season this year, the engine gave out on me, and I found out today that the head gasket is blown.? I'm trying to determine the best next steps.? Should I look to repair the engine?? If so, what are some good resources to track down the parts?? If not, what should I look to repower her with?? I've seen some mentions of a Beta 14.? Does that fit easily on the existing mounts?? Thank you.
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Tartan 27-2 Repower or Replace Head Gasket
I own a 1979, Tartan 27-2 (Hull #706).? The boat has a Farymann A30M diesel engine.? On the last trip of the season this year, the engine gave out on me, and I found out today that the head gasket is blown.? I'm trying to determine the best next steps.? Should I look to repair the engine?? If so, what are some good resources to track down the parts?? If not, what should I look to repower her with?? I've seen some mentions of a Beta 14.? Does that fit easily on the existing mounts?? Thank you. |
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Re: Can I borrow your chain plates?
Opened up one side of the first knee. I am using a multitool. But it is a tight fit.. I am 6'3". I think I should just take the aft fiber glass off and see if some of the wood is salvageable. via epoxy and drying out. The upper chainplate is on the aft side and the lowers are on the front.?. Looks like the same size as William Talbot's. 1 inch by about a foot. Maybe this weekend if I am off. Again with the iron bolts and stainless plates. Why in the world did they do that?
Brian SV Windfall #275 |
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Re: Can I borrow your chain plates?
I¡¯ve been out of touch for a few days, but like where the topic headed. The previous post especially. I was hoping to give Brian the same advice. I did mine the really painful way of cutting and grinding the knees completely off (leaving inches of dust over everything and spending hours in awkward spaces in a tyvek suit) then building around a thin piece of scrap fiberglass. If I had only known then about a multi tool. The Bosch oscillating multi-tool (imagine a tiny vibrating saw blade) and a variable speed grinder with 20 or 40 grit paper wheels has made fiberglass work inside the cabin so much more bearable. The really rough paper at a low speed seems to knock the paint off in chunks rather than a fine dust, and the multi tool with the half circle blade slices through fiberglass with ease in tight places ( I saw that harbor freight has a cheap version).
Specifically for Brian, since I have seen windfalls knees, I think you got lucky that the bolt head location is obvious so you can get away with cutting or grinding just enough to drill/drive out what¡¯s left of the bolts and follow the other posters suggestions. Mine were flat on both sides as probably your back stay is. If I¡¯d do it again, I think I¡¯d use the multi tool to split it down the edge and cut out one side of the triangle (or a smaller triangle on one side so that you aren¡¯t trying to bend fiberglass around an edge) so that you can clean out the wood, then glass the cut out piece back in with holes to bolt through the whole knee. I remember the original knees were really thick so keeping at least one half is a good idea. I would say use a hole saw to expose the old bolts, but I remember having to borrow a drill that looked more like an angle grinder with a short bit to fit in that space. Again to Brian, thanks for your willingness to help out, but buying the stock from the chain plate express guy works just as well for me. You will be opening a can of worms (or mush) with this, but you have all winter to do it now. |
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Re: Can I borrow your chain plates?
So this will probably start a big conversation:
I have 2 27s #136 and #593. The 1965 boat has the encapsulated chain plates. The 1975 boat has a single large plate on the front of the knee that has both uppers and lowers attached. As far as replacement of the old plates this can be a large or modest poject. But if you have encapsulated plates don't wait. O2 deprivation especially on 304 with moisture present is a real thing. On most of the Tartans the glass work on the knees is in good shape, but the core is punky. The strength is in the glass. One way to start is to expose the bolt heads and nuts. Grind the heads off and drive the bolts out. Then attatch a pry bar to the chain plate on deck and with a 4x4 or similar fulcrum, pull what is left of the plate through the deck. Glass the slots closed. Liberal use of a penetrating epoxy is recommended. As for new plates you can either go with uppers on the front of the knee and lowers aft as traditional or a single 'double wide' plate like the later boats. You can slot the deck with a Fein multi saw or other tool of your choice. Liberal use of a penetrating epoxy recomended. Use backing plates not washers to spread the load. The core once dried out can be injected with epoxy. Another alternative to removing the knees entirely is to open the inward facing edge of the knee and dig out the punky core and then slide in a core out of something like cousa board. And re-glass with epoxy. This preserves the original skins and is generally less work than removing them and starting from scratch. If you need to do some core work around the plates in the deck itself that is another poject. |
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Re: Can I borrow your chain plates?
reposted from the Tartan 27 Facebook group. From William Talbot. I will be doing mine tomorrow. Brian #275
On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 8:04:32 PM CST, rick Gengarelly rickg1952@... [T27Owners] wrote:
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My bolts were 90% gone but the plates were perfect. As wacky as it sounds, it appears Tartan used carbon bolts and 316 plates. I had the plates tested because of the risk of o2 deprivation but they checked out with the tooling manager. I found that what Tartan does with one they dont necessarelly do with all. Hull #1 they used a bronze insert on the center board construction. After that they used carbon steel like on mine which i rebuilt.?
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Re: Can I borrow your chain plates?
My bolts were 90% gone but the plates were perfect. As wacky as it sounds, it appears Tartan used carbon bolts and 316 plates. I had the plates tested because of the risk of o2 deprivation but they checked out with the tooling manager. I found that what Tartan does with one they dont necessarelly do with all. Hull #1 they used a bronze insert on the center board construction. After that they used carbon steel like on mine which i rebuilt.?
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Re: Can I borrow your chain plates?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMany years ago people were posting that the reason that the Stainless bolts corroded is that they were oxygen starved due to being buried in the glass.Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2018, at 12:31 PM, rick Gengarelly rickg1952@... [T27Owners] <T27Owners@...> wrote:
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Re: Can I borrow your chain plates?
I have hull #130 and I took out the plates, knees and all with a right angle grinder, built new knees with teak, reused the same plates and glassed over just like original to the hull and it's fine 15 years later.? Rick
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