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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
You can build your own if you are at all handy with fiberglass and wood tools.聽 Make a female mold of two sides, one being the mirror of the other out of a flat surface MDF, put in some steel (preferably 316 or 304 stainless from a scrap yard.聽 Design the steel inserts so that the the pin and the pendant are on the same longitudinal piece of steel (there is enormous lateral pull between the two attachments).聽 Fill the voids with foam or better filled epoxy (I used lead shot to make the board heavier and conform to contours) and fiberglass the two parts together in a cross section of a tear drop with one inch width as the leading edge.
A good winter project......
Regards,
Jim
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From: EeBe4 <ebreeden4@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues Well, that鈥檚 an absurd price. A T27 in reasonable condition can be had for that! Tartan should work on that number. To start from scratch and have a steel plate cut to spec may be $400. Some ingenuity can develop the foil. Got my head scratching.聽
I took my electric plane to my board and then epoxied. This may be a temporary fix, but will get us back in the water. Right now the board is thinner, slick and ready for paint.聽
Also, did you know hull#1 is currently under renovation by Tartan?
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
EeBe4
Well, that鈥檚 an absurd price. A T27 in reasonable condition can be had for that! Tartan should work on that number. To start from scratch and have a steel plate cut to spec may be $400. Some ingenuity can develop the foil. Got my head scratching.聽 I took my electric plane to my board and then epoxied. This may be a temporary fix, but will get us back in the water. Right now the board is thinner, slick and ready for paint.聽 Also, did you know hull#1 is currently under renovation by Tartan? |
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
I did price a new board last fall
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聽It was $3,150 if memory serves me.聽 I will post the price later this week when I return home聽
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
That last message ran away from me while I was still typing. Tartan no longer has the prices posted on their website, but you can request the price online. My recollection is that the price was closer to $1500. I got a used one and a friend rehabbed it. It was hard to find a used one. -----Original Message-----
From: EeBe4 <ebreeden4@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 9:24 am Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues Thanks John. That would be a reasonable price. My board was clunking side to side. Found the pin was 1/2鈥� and not 5/8鈥� as specified. Hope that is the fix. Otherwise, I鈥檒l try your fix.聽
-Eddie
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Tartan no longer has the price posted on their website, but you can聽 -----Original Message-----
From: EeBe4 <ebreeden4@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Aug 2, 2020 9:24 am Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues Thanks John. That would be a reasonable price. My board was clunking side to side. Found the pin was 1/2鈥� and not 5/8鈥� as specified. Hope that is the fix. Otherwise, I鈥檒l try your fix.聽
-Eddie
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Yeah, When mine was banging, I thought that the pin would be transfering the force to the fiberglass around the pin tubes. That was worrying. On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM EeBe4 <ebreeden4@...> wrote:
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
I bought one about 8 years ago and I think it was $250 or $300聽+shipping.聽 Also, My boat had the common problem of a banging centerboard, I cured that easily by inserting strips of rubber using 5200 on each side inside the bottom 2 " of the case. John On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 2:14 PM EeBe4 <ebreeden4@...> wrote:
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Hi Scott,
I was just up there last Wednesday for the 6:30 pm races.聽 They usually do 2 starts; one for spinnaker (6:30) and one for non-spinnaker (6:35).聽 They also allow boaters from other clubs to come and race with us for free.聽 We have a couple of regular racers from Shatermuck/Ossining who show up pretty reliably. The RC monitors vhf channel 68 (if that is not right ask on channel 9 which our club launch monitors).聽 The RC does a "check in" via VHF prior to the race.
You might be the boat with the highest PHRF rating (slowest) in the non-spin fleet聽 but you can still get lucky and have your time corrected so that you don't come in last.聽 IIRC, our PHRF rating for #328 was ~ 234 +/-.
If you really want to join us on Wednesdays you can call me and I can tell you what I think I know (917 453 6846).
Best,
Caleb D
T27 #328
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From: Scott Rosasco <scottrosasco@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues Caleb,
Thanks very much for the response. Is Nyack still racing Wednesday evenings? I was just telling my friends that whoever is coming in last over there, must be getting tired of it and we could go over and alleviate them of that burden.
Scott
On Jul 31, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Caleb Davison via groups.io <calebjess@...> wrote:
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Hi Scott,
I have done a lot of work on the center board over the years, including building a new聽 one of my own design. I think you will probably find the steel plate inside the board has rusted, ruptured the fiberglass sheathing resulting in having to cut down each side between the board and the trunk with a saw (preferably one you will never use again).聽 Leave the pendant and pin in until you know it is free. Lower it with the pendant, support it vertically, then pull the pin. This was the only way I could remove it.聽 Be careful, it weighs 160 lbs without the rust.
In no case do anything with it by diving on it.聽 Quite a few years ago someone got a finger or hand wedged in the trunk and drowned.聽聽 聽聽聽
Regards,
Jim
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From: Scott Rosasco <scottrosasco@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 12:38 pm Subject: [T27Owners] Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues Just purchased a 1967 Tartan 27,聽 hull #270, with two other people who are also on this list. Currently berthed in Tarrytown NY. Previous owner sailed it infrequently and not at all in the past year or two. Boat was stored in the water (Long Island Sound) for at least the past two years. We had the bottom cleaned before we took delivery, but the owner told us he dropped the centerboard once in the past 13 years, but had trouble getting it back up, so he never dropped it again. Told us it sailed fine without it, but our experience differs. We have tried to drop it, but it won鈥檛 go down. Perhaps growth fouled in place? Any idea how we might safely get it down and up while the boat is in the water? Failing that, if we put it in a travel lift, how far off the ground does the boat need to be raised? Will there be enough of the board exposed below the boat to attempt to manually pull it down? Looking for opinions. Thanks.
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
开云体育Caleb,Thanks very much for the response. Is Nyack still racing Wednesday evenings? I was just telling my friends that whoever is coming in last over there, must be getting tired of it and we could go over and alleviate them of that burden. Scott On Jul 31, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Caleb Davison via groups.io <calebjess@...> wrote:
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Hi Scott,
I do most of my boating across the river from Tarrytown, at Nyack Boat Club.聽 Howdy neighbor.
If your boat was kept in the Sound for 2 years continuously I have no doubt that the centerboard trunk of your boat is badly fouled with barnacles.聽 With 10+ years of keeping T27 #328 on a mooring in this location I can say you will get barnacles forming in the centerboard trunk even in the brachish waters of the Hudson.聽 Over the years of cleaning out this orifice so the centerboard could be used I have found that a small hand saw (like the "sword" idea) works quite well at removing barnacles from this difficult to reach spot.聽 The hand saw I use has about a 14" blade on it and it seems about right.
I'll suggest that when you haul out #270 out for the winter (the Hudson can freeze over in the winter although it hasn't happened for a while) at Haverstraw or Viking marina you have them block the bottom of the boat such that it does not impede the centerboard trunk.聽 They will usually use cinder blocks under the hull which gives you enough room to access the trunk slot and also would allow the board to be lowered a few inches.聽 If they put your boat somewhere that is not paved you could also dig a bit of a hole under the centerboard to better access to it.聽聽
The centerboard is a great feature of the T27 but it does come with extra maintenance.聽 The boat will sail quite well with the board all the way up and we have won a race or two this way.聽 With the centerboard all the way down the boat will turn more quickly as it uses the centerboard as a pivot and you should experience less leeway聽 when sailing upwind.
Congrats on your boat.
Best, Caleb D
T27 #328
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From: Scott Rosasco <scottrosasco@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2020 12:38 pm Subject: [T27Owners] Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues Just purchased a 1967 Tartan 27,聽 hull #270, with two other people who are also on this list. Currently berthed in Tarrytown NY. Previous owner sailed it infrequently and not at all in the past year or two. Boat was stored in the water (Long Island Sound) for at least the past two years. We had the bottom cleaned before we took delivery, but the owner told us he dropped the centerboard once in the past 13 years, but had trouble getting it back up, so he never dropped it again. Told us it sailed fine without it, but our experience differs. We have tried to drop it, but it won鈥檛 go down. Perhaps growth fouled in place? Any idea how we might safely get it down and up while the boat is in the water? Failing that, if we put it in a travel lift, how far off the ground does the boat need to be raised? Will there be enough of the board exposed below the boat to attempt to manually pull it down? Looking for opinions. Thanks.
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Hull #1 was the only T-27 built with a bronze core centerboard so if there was any damage to allow moisture and it rusted and expanded inside it could be really stuck. It happened to my hull #130 and I had to build a housing out of 2x6's and used two house jacks and only then did it come out like butter. I'll be happy to give details on the housing if needed. rickg1952@... On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:09 PM Scott Rosasco <scottrosasco@...> wrote: Just purchased a 1967 Tartan 27,聽 hull #270, with two other people who are also on this list. Currently berthed in Tarrytown NY. Previous owner sailed it infrequently and not at all in the past year or two. Boat was stored in the water (Long Island Sound) for at least the past two years. We had the bottom cleaned before we took delivery, but the owner told us he dropped the centerboard once in the past 13 years, but had trouble getting it back up, so he never dropped it again. Told us it sailed fine without it, but our experience differs. We have tried to drop it, but it won鈥檛 go down. Perhaps growth fouled in place? Any idea how we might safely get it down and up while the boat is in the water? Failing that, if we put it in a travel lift, how far off the ground does the boat need to be raised? Will there be enough of the board exposed below the boat to attempt to manually pull it down? Looking for opinions. Thanks. |
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Yeah, can confirm that the centerboard is poking out because stuff
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is getting clogged up up in there. Maybe I'll go Dutch and move to leeboards. And also had the pivot pin replaced and the board serviced a few years ago when the uphaul was re-done in Dynema, and it absolutely needed all of that. I'm remembering that earlier discussion also included dumping noxious chemicals such as copper compounds down the uphaul tube, and vinegar which in enough quantity over time should dissolve hard shells. -scott On 0, jeremy@... wrote:
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
If you want to remove the board, No need to drop the length聽of the board, only the width. Just remove聽the pin and drop straight聽down. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:29 PM <jeremy@...> wrote:
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
According to this website, The min-draft is 3.17 ft and the max draft is 6.33 ft. So.. at least 3.16 ft? I actually have my boat up on stands right now and my centerboard just barely clears the ground. Unfortunately, I am currently 1000 miles away from my boat, so I can't measure the actual distance. 3.5' sounds about right though.If you do haul your boat, it might be worth dropping the centerboard completely and doing all the inspections and repairs that are related to the centerboard. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:09 PM Scott Rosasco <scottrosasco@...> wrote: Just purchased a 1967 Tartan 27,聽 hull #270, with two other people who are also on this list. Currently berthed in Tarrytown NY. Previous owner sailed it infrequently and not at all in the past year or two. Boat was stored in the water (Long Island Sound) for at least the past two years. We had the bottom cleaned before we took delivery, but the owner told us he dropped the centerboard once in the past 13 years, but had trouble getting it back up, so he never dropped it again. Told us it sailed fine without it, but our experience differs. We have tried to drop it, but it won鈥檛 go down. Perhaps growth fouled in place? Any idea how we might safely get it down and up while the boat is in the water? Failing that, if we put it in a travel lift, how far off the ground does the boat need to be raised? Will there be enough of the board exposed below the boat to attempt to manually pull it down? Looking for opinions. Thanks. |
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Previous discussion has talked about ramming a metal yardstick up in
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there, and I'm currently in the yard with about 4 inches of centerboard peeking out. A pretty thick layout all about helps but it seems like any gouging in the fiberglass will just make it easier for marine life to grab on later. Some rubber flaps may be an upgrade. Oh, and there has been discussion about replacing the wire rope uphual with Dynema. That's worked for me so far and virtually eliminates an otherwise critical service item. Mechanical drawings for the centerboard have been posted in the Files area. That should tell you how big of a poker you need and thus how far off the ground you need to be. Often TravelList operators will charge by the hour to lift you from the water and just hold you over land but not block you and set you down. You could probably do some good poking in an hour. The Tartan 27 is considered on the tender side and the centerboard doesn't weigh all that much so I'm not sure how much it will improve your sailing experience. The effect should mostly be to reduce leeway tho if I ever get out of the gunkhole, I'd love to see if it improves tacks in windy conditions. Good luck! -scott On 0, Scott Rosasco <scottrosasco@...> wrote:
锘縅ust purchased a 1967 Tartan 27, hull #270, with two other people who are also on this list. Currently berthed in Tarrytown NY. Previous owner sailed it infrequently and not at all in the past year or two. Boat was stored in the water (Long Island Sound) for at least the past two years. We had the bottom cleaned before we took delivery, but the owner told us he dropped the centerboard once in the past 13 years, but had trouble getting it back up, so he never dropped it again. Told us it sailed fine without it, but our experience differs. We have tried to drop it, but it won鈥檛 go down. Perhaps growth fouled in place? Any idea how we might safely get it down and up while the boat is in the water? Failing that, if we put it in a travel lift, how far off the ground does the boat need to be raised? Will there be enough of the board exposed below the boat to attempt to manually pull it down? Looking for opinions. Thanks. |
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Re: Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
Years ago I swapped聽out my centerboard with a new one from the factory. If it is still tight, I would聽drill a hole in the top of in case (cabin sole) then pound it downwards. easy to epoxy the hole back up. The old one, like so many get rusty inside and swell. I dug a trench under the keel about a foot and a half and half and had enough to get the old one out and new in. You have聽to attach the cable. 聽before setting the pivot pin. The boat points a lot higher with the board!! On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:09 PM Scott Rosasco <scottrosasco@...> wrote: Just purchased a 1967 Tartan 27,聽 hull #270, with two other people who are also on this list. Currently berthed in Tarrytown NY. Previous owner sailed it infrequently and not at all in the past year or two. Boat was stored in the water (Long Island Sound) for at least the past two years. We had the bottom cleaned before we took delivery, but the owner told us he dropped the centerboard once in the past 13 years, but had trouble getting it back up, so he never dropped it again. Told us it sailed fine without it, but our experience differs. We have tried to drop it, but it won鈥檛 go down. Perhaps growth fouled in place? Any idea how we might safely get it down and up while the boat is in the water? Failing that, if we put it in a travel lift, how far off the ground does the boat need to be raised? Will there be enough of the board exposed below the boat to attempt to manually pull it down? Looking for opinions. Thanks. |
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Tartan 27 Centerboard Issues
锘縅ust purchased a 1967 Tartan 27, hull #270, with two other people who are also on this list. Currently berthed in Tarrytown NY. Previous owner sailed it infrequently and not at all in the past year or two. Boat was stored in the water (Long Island Sound) for at least the past two years. We had the bottom cleaned before we took delivery, but the owner told us he dropped the centerboard once in the past 13 years, but had trouble getting it back up, so he never dropped it again. Told us it sailed fine without it, but our experience differs. We have tried to drop it, but it won鈥檛 go down. Perhaps growth fouled in place? Any idea how we might safely get it down and up while the boat is in the water? Failing that, if we put it in a travel lift, how far off the ground does the boat need to be raised? Will there be enough of the board exposed below the boat to attempt to manually pull it down? Looking for opinions. Thanks.
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