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Re: Thru Hulls
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Re: Thru Hulls
Billy Ray,
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I am not quite sure what you mean by 'wallowed' but I get the idea that the hull is not in such great shape where the thru hull used to be. You could use 5200 to patch it up. If it were me I wold want to sand the hull to removed the 'wallowed' parts and then I would use the West System w/colloidal silica AND cloth to completely cover the old hole (build up several layers of cloth to hull thickness). I would then re-drill the holes (3/4" and 1 1/4"). In terms of replacement hardware and installation I would follow most of the advice on this guys website: He has some great info on the hardware and excellent pictures detailing the installation process. I should add his page to the links section if I have not done so already. Good luck and let us know how it works out for you. Caleb Davison T27 #328 Odalisque -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Davis <backstay13@...> To: T27Owners@... Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 1:29 pm Subject: [T27Owners] Thru Hulls Guys, I am still in the middle of replacing all 7 original thru hulls. Two of the original openings (one 3/4 and one 1 1/4) are so wallowed out that I will have to use a boat load of 5200 sealer to assure they will stay in place. I am considering using some of the West System epoxy and fairing compound to line the holes and there by assure a better, firmer seal with the 5200. I'm sure someone has dealt with a similar issue? Your opinions would be welcome. I have some thin glass mat that I may be able to line the holes with. Would that make more sense? Billy Ray Davis Scarlet #79 |
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Re: Thru Hulls
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Steven Cook wrote: From: Steven Cook |
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Re: Thru Hulls
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI was wondering if others have photos of their thu hull replacements?? I have all the originals in my Hull #220. ? Replacement of these is on my 2 year to-do list Often a pic. is worth a thousand words ? Steve To: T27Owners@... From: uni@... Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:18:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Thru Hulls My two cents worth on what I think you are talking about.
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Sealer is a product that is used to seal small distances between two surfaces. An example is where a threaded fitting is threaded into a bronze thru hull in the full. Sealant is used where the fitting is attached and is in contact with the hull. If the annular area, that is the space in between the ID of the hole and the OD of the fitting, going through the hole is large, maybe using an epoxy filler with the correct fill to make it stronger is the solution. I do not like large open areas that do not have some component of added strength to them. In fact, one might want to put some glass inside the hull, fill the areas that should be filled and drill the correct size hole to receiver the fitting, might be a good idea. I have done this many time on many boats over the years.
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I had to replace my center board cable etc. this year. I will not go into the board component of the problem and the resulting solution, but will address the pipe part of the problem.
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What is meant by the pipe part of the problem? The pipe part of the problem is where the cable has warn through the pipe nipple that is "glassed into the centerboard housing in keel. In may case the pipe was worn through to the point that it was cutting the glass attachment to the trunk. I removed the nipple that was in the boat. I bought a new bronze one. Since the id of the nipple is large and the wire smaller, I found a bronze reducer and a smaller pipe nipple that fit inside the nipple going into the trunk. I found that the angle of the small nipple when installed was not true to what I thought it should be. As a result, I used a hammer and hit the outside of the adapter into the hole of the larger nipple but with out a supper hard blow, but also making sure that it was in line with what I felt the cable should go is goes. This fix permits the smaller nipple to be a wear time and something that should be check prior to putting the boat in the water in the Spring and more so replaced if any wear is found on this smaller pipe. I think that if the cable is good, then the replacement is very easy for the smaller pipe nipple.
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Now the big stuff relative the place whereby the cable has cut through the large pipe nipple and into the trunk. Replace the pipe as above. Prior to inserting it for good to some degree, apply some light lub on the threads of the nipple. Then take a small amount of epoxy and apply it to where the threaded hole is in the trunk that is cut. Apply some of the epoxy to the lubed fitting. Screw it in to the place where you want it and do not make it too tight. Let the epoxy get hard and remove the nipple. The inside of the threaded section should look good and be a complete encasement or more so the threads of the trunk should be 100% defined. That means with some sealant on the cleaned threaded surfaces, you will not have a leaking nipple in the board.
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I use a piece of hose that fits the top of the nipple. It goes up into the area next to the centerboard winch. At the end, for some reason unknown to me, I put another piece of smaller hose of a plastic nipple to take the wear on that end. I set it up so the wire cable goes through, but when wound?never touches the plastic nipple over the cable.
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That is the short of the fix.
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One thing with a new cable and the swage end in the board, make sure that one attempts to make the covering of the hole where the swage is as well as where the cable goes through the end or top of the board as water proof as possible with a sealant that will take paint as one has to prime the board and paint it with antiflolowing paint, like Micron 66. Note that you have to do the inside of the trunk as well.
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Regards,
Chris Becker
Tartan 27, Number 511 1971
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Re: Thru Hulls
CHRISTIAN BECKER
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMy two cents worth on what I think you are talking
about.
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Sealer is a product that is used to seal small
distances between two surfaces. An example is where a threaded fitting is
threaded into a bronze thru hull in the full. Sealant is used where the fitting
is attached and is in contact with the hull. If the annular area, that is the
space in between the ID of the hole and the OD of the fitting, going through the
hole is large, maybe using an epoxy filler with the correct fill to make it
stronger is the solution. I do not like large open areas that do not have some
component of added strength to them. In fact, one might want to put some glass
inside the hull, fill the areas that should be filled and drill the correct size
hole to receiver the fitting, might be a good idea. I have done this many time
on many boats over the years.
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I had to replace my center board cable etc. this
year. I will not go into the board component of the problem and the resulting
solution, but will address the pipe part of the problem.
?
What is meant by the pipe part of the problem? The
pipe part of the problem is where the cable has warn through the pipe nipple
that is "glassed into the centerboard housing in keel. In may case the pipe was
worn through to the point that it was cutting the glass attachment to the trunk.
I removed the nipple that was in the boat. I bought a new bronze one. Since the
id of the nipple is large and the wire smaller, I found a bronze reducer and a
smaller pipe nipple that fit inside the nipple going into the trunk. I found
that the angle of the small nipple when installed was not true to what I thought
it should be. As a result, I used a hammer and hit the outside of the adapter
into the hole of the larger nipple but with out a supper hard blow, but also
making sure that it was in line with what I felt the cable should go is goes.
This fix permits the smaller nipple to be a wear time and something that should
be check prior to putting the boat in the water in the Spring and more so
replaced if any wear is found on this smaller pipe. I think that if the cable is
good, then the replacement is very easy for the smaller pipe nipple.
?
Now the big stuff relative the place whereby the
cable has cut through the large pipe nipple and into the trunk. Replace the pipe
as above. Prior to inserting it for good to some degree, apply some light lub on
the threads of the nipple. Then take a small amount of epoxy and apply it to
where the threaded hole is in the trunk that is cut. Apply some of the epoxy to
the lubed fitting. Screw it in to the place where you want it and do not make it
too tight. Let the epoxy get hard and remove the nipple. The inside of the
threaded section should look good and be a complete encasement or more so the
threads of the trunk should be 100% defined. That means with some sealant on the
cleaned threaded surfaces, you will not have a leaking nipple in the board.
?
I use a piece of hose that fits the top of the
nipple. It goes up into the area next to the centerboard winch. At the end, for
some reason unknown to me, I put another piece of smaller hose of a plastic
nipple to take the wear on that end. I set it up so the wire cable goes through,
but when wound?never touches the plastic nipple over the cable.
?
That is the short of the fix.
?
One thing with a new cable and the swage end in the
board, make sure that one attempts to make the covering of the hole where the
swage is as well as where the cable goes through the end or top of the board as
water proof as possible with a sealant that will take paint as one has to prime
the board and paint it with antiflolowing paint, like Micron 66. Note that you
have to do the inside of the trunk as well.
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Regards,
Chris Becker
Tartan 27, Number 511 1971
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Re: Running Rigging
ksmith4312
--- In T27Owners@..., "daiksan" <daiksan@...> wrote:
hank ontowith halyard, then a halyard running from just below the masthead thenthe front of the mast has a lot of line, for spinnaker maybe? line.another halyard located below the spreaders also with a lot of race onmorethe bay in maryland. So I am thinking these two were added for pairsail. All the foresails on board are hank on, do not see even a ofboard.John Candy's pants LOL. Oh and no spinnaker/whisker poles on I think youi are correct, the upper is a spiniker, and the loweris probably a topping lift for the pole that is no longer there. gdaiksan 156: Thanks, kind of figured that was it just wanted confirmation my thinking was correct. |
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Re: Icebox condensation
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Re: Icebox condensation
Bob
Rich,
I posted a couple pics of the pantry on the photo page. I haven't made doors yet. The diverter valve in the upper right will allow for rain collection from the deck scuppers to the water tank in the V- birth. The upper left locker has room for a small 12 pac cooler. Make sure you can open the lid of the cooler when accessing from the cockpit hatch. My first cooler ran into this problem. You can see that the lower locker is quite large. One could make a roomy single locker or closet here as well, good spot for a wet locker too. I also posted a pic of my custom holding tank in the head. Turned out nicely and still a comfortable sit on the toilet, though you can't stretch out too much. Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 --- In T27Owners@..., Richard Shearley <rshearley@...> wrote: access feature...
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Re: Ice box
daiksan
--- In T27Owners@..., "ksmith4312" <ksmith4312@...> wrote:
yesterday. My guess is it is a leak from the port coaming, that has saturatedthe insulation. Sure do not want to redo the icebox. Espeically as Iuse it more for a pantry than anything else.Be careful, 156 has a thru hull fitting there, behind the ice box, for the deck drain/ice box drain. impossible to reach daiksan 156 |
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Re: Running Rigging
daiksan
--- In T27Owners@..., "ksmith4312" <ksmith4312@...> wrote:
on with halyard, then a halyard running from just below the masthead toon the bay in maryland. So I am thinking these two were added for moreof John Candy's pants LOL. Oh and no spinnaker/whisker poles on board.I think youi are correct, the upper is a spiniker, and the lower is probably a topping lift for the pole that is no longer there. g good luck, daiksan 156 |
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Running Rigging
ksmith4312
I have hull #442 1970. There are two halyards I suspect are for
additional head sails. The configuration is: Regular foresail hank on with halyard, then a halyard running from just below the masthead to the front of the mast has a lot of line, for spinnaker maybe? then another halyard located below the spreaders also with a lot of line. The history I have read indicates a performance boat built to race on the bay in maryland. So I am thinking these two were added for more sail. All the foresails on board are hank on, do not see even a pair of John Candy's pants LOL. Oh and no spinnaker/whisker poles on board. |
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Ice box
ksmith4312
If you take it out might as well rebed the coaming and anything else
that is blocked by the icebox. Mine just started driping yesterday. My guess is it is a leak from the port coaming, that has saturated the insulation. Sure do not want to redo the icebox. Espeically as I use it more for a pantry than anything else. |
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Re: Icebox condensation
Scott-Duplicate your box in glass.Rap with 2-4" rigid
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close cell foam .Add 2 knee braces to bulkhead and to stainless tabs to the edge where the cabin turns and hang your new box.The ice box almost cools without ice. R.E.W --- Bob <screeminbob@...> wrote:e Hi Scott, |
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Re: Icebox condensation
Scott-Duplicate your box in glass.Rap with 2-4" rigid
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close cell foam .Add 2 knee braces to bulkhead and to stainless tabs to the edge where the cabin turns and hang your new box.The ice box almost cools without ice. R.E.W --- Bob <screeminbob@...> wrote:e Hi Scott, |
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Re: Icebox condensation
Bob
Hi Scott,
Most likely all your condensation is actually collecting inside the insulation making a nice mess of things, and leaking out. Unfortunately the way the icebox is mounted (glass tabbed) makes it very difficult to redo the insulation. You'll end up cutting it out any way. also the Stainless liner is very thin and probably wouldn't survive the redo. A drip tray would only be a bandaid and not fix the problem. I installed a 3 locker pantry (2 uppers and a large lower) with the upper left locker still being accessed through the cockpit hatch. I can fit a small cooler for drinks and such in this locker. You can make the locker larger to fit a larger cooler. Best of luck, Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 --- In T27Owners@..., "Scott Kendall" <thephoenix215@...> wrote: dripping down on the port berth down by the engine? I have seen some folks |
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Icebox condensation
Scott Kendall
Does anyone have a solution for the condensation that forms on the
bottom of the AFT port icechest on the bottom which ends up dripping down on the port berth down by the engine? I have seen some folks remove the dry storage cabinet and icebox all together to make more room in cabin, but has anyone come up with an insulation method or drip tray to funnel this moisture to a drain? |
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Re: Prop Shaft Length
Kyle Erlandsen
Been lurking for a while. ? Watch out when you go from wire rope to hi-tech halyards on old boats.? The sheaves are usually beat up and worn, as well as the surrounding area, as a result of the cutting action of the steel.? The hi-tech stuff is awesome but needs to have smooth surfaces to ride on. ? Kyle (looking for Hull #2) Erlandsen ----- Original Message ---- From: "brian@..." To: T27Owners@... Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:14:03 AM Subject: [T27Owners] Re: Prop Shaft Length
Speaking of sheaves, I found that I can use a hi-tech line that is the same size as cable for my main halyard.? I had to go up the mast to thread it through, but it works just fine. ? Brian Greul Texas Shirt Company 713-802-0369 / 713-861-6261 (fax) Targeted, Effective Promotions to help you grow your brand |
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Re: Prop Shaft Length
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSpeaking of sheaves, I found that I can use a hi-tech line that is the same size as cable for my main halyard.? I had to go up the mast to thread it through, but it works just fine. ? Brian Greul Texas Shirt Company 713-802-0369 / 713-861-6261 (fax) Targeted, Effective Promotions to help you grow your brand |