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Sails 4 Sale
I recently replaced my sails on our Tartan 27-2, and I have a serviceable set of sails. This
includes; a genoa and a full-battend mainsail. I also have a mainsail cover (dark green) complete with a Tartan emblem on both sides. Also, I replaced my portlights with stainless steel ones. I have six portlights, four of which have new windows (Beckson). I would like to sell any and all of these items. If interested, please e-mail me at Hansgen10@... |
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Re: Fairport Marine?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYou can find sails
that will fit with minor modification.? If you need boom vang ideas let me
know.? I had one installed and it's pretty straightforward if you disable
the boom reefing.? It makes a nice difference.... even when you have the
wrong sail. :)? I have an old (beat to hell), C-25 sail on my boat.? I
haven't replaced it yet.... other things are more important.
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Re: Fairport Marine?
Chris,
I do have a pretty good memory when I am sober and I remember Marino Curati from the old discussion threads at sailboatowners.com.? That is how I know he added a boom vang to his rig; he posted some nice pictures of it and was a regular no-nonsense contributor.? We are planning to add a boom vang this season that will be very much like his (we just need the boom bails to attached to the spars at this point).? I suspect that he was a pretty good sailor/racer and liked to have his boat's rigging in good working order.? I have never been on his boat though. One consideration to think about is the condition of the sails.? If they are old-ish but still pretty sound (no loose stitching but not too stretched out) then that is fine for a while.? New sails for a T27 will cost a lot (about? $1500 a piece) so if the sails seem limp you might try the bargaining tactic of factoring the cost of new sails into the deal (eg., you would split the cost of the $3K it would take to replace sails off the price - that is a $1500 bargaining chip). I never met Marino either but I liked his web personality.? He obviously has a dealer handling the sale for him as most people do.? I also remember that he did a lot of crewing in races on OPB (other peoples boats) as he did not want to break a lot of equipment on his T27 (which is not the swiftest of cruisers but usually does pretty well with its PHRF rating of around 240).? I still bet that this boat is in pretty good shape and worth a trip out to Cleveland to look it over carefully. If the Atomic 4 is still in good shape you should jump on it.? It can be a great boat! Caleb ?
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From: chrisd4700@... To: T27Owners@... Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 5:57 PM Subject: [T27Owners] Re: Fairport Marine? Hey Caleb,
Check my last response. It is Marino that still own's the boat.
You know it? He said he used to check in all the time until the site
crashed... No health issues I think he just wants to sell her.
I'm trying to get up there to look at it.
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Re: Fairport Marine?
Hey Caleb,
I don't think Mario owns this boat anymore. The guy who is selling it is named Reno. He's done some work to it and it look like it's in fine shape. There is a boom vang on the boat, you have a good memory. I'll ask him if it's Mario's old boat... I was just curious becuase the earlier builder was Mcleod or something like that correct? Fairport Marine never rang a bell and I don't want one of the Schock boats... they moved the mast forward and did a couple other things that I'm not crazy about. Thanks for the input. Still searching for the right boat man.. c |
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Re: Fairport Marine?
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That was Marino Curati's old boat from the tartan27owners.com website where he was a regular contributor. I am curious about WHY he is selling his boat? This can be an important question. If he is moving up in boat size then that is not an issue. If he is getting out of owning a boat for health or financial reasons then you might wonder if he was keeping up on the maintenance. Please ask the dealer this question. My recollection is that he was quite meticulous about his boat and even added a boom vang to the rigging of #577. Under the Files section of T27Owners there is an information.htm file that shows hull #'s by year and a little note at the bottom indicates which hull #'s were built by WDSchock. They did not build very many as it turns out. The design of the boat is by Sparkman & Stephens but the boats were built by a few builders including Fairport. While there may be some differences in the boats from one builder to the next I think that they were all made quite sturdily by todays standards. I would make a low ball offer of perhaps 75% of their asking price and see what happens. The worst that could happen is they don't accept your offer (or raise the asking price!). Most likely they will counter offer with say 90% of asking price. Your offer indicates that you are interested and if the seller is paying for 2 boats at once he may be motivated to get rid of the responsibility of the older boat. Good luck with this and keep us posted. Caleb #328 -----Original Message-----
From: chrisd4700@... To: T27Owners@... Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:01 PM Subject: [T27Owners] Fairport Marine? Hi eveyone. This boat that I'm looking at is a 1975 #577. It's listed as built by Fairport Marine? Is that one of the Schock built boats? Any help? thanks. Its' type II cockpit I've been asking about. You've all been real helpful on that too... thanks c Yahoo! Groups Links ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. |
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Re: Type ll cockpit on later T27's
Well, I'm replying right now from the Nassau Harbour Club in the Bahamas after two dark & stormies and a decent cigar?celebrating another easy 40 mile day, going on 4 months cruising aboard, and I can say honestly you won't go wrong either way!? You can't believe how many people in bigger boats complain about poor conditions where they turn back to port, while the?little T27 blasts right?through the chop without hesitation and costs 2/3s as much to overnight in a good marina.? Best of luck, and let me know if I can answer any other questions. Oh, by the way: regardless of Type I or Type II, the icebox-next-to-engine arrangement is absurd and you should rip it out either way. More to come later...living the dream on #636 "Eve" ? ? chrisd4700 wrote:
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Re: Type ll cockpit on later T27's
Hi Chris,
I have a Type II, #636. As Caleb points out, most of the changes are very minor, but for the most part a little better. I have cut and glassed in a lazarette locker to my boat and even with the expanded cockpit, it's still a very usable (useable?) space. It currently holds two fenders, some docklines, BBQ kit, cutting board, and fire extinguisher. Any space on a small boat is valuable... The other changes that are distinct from earlier boats, from what I've seen, are: -Icebox moved aft so the forward face is flush with the engine bulkhead. This eliminates the handy shelf over the icebox but makes the aft part of the dinette seat much bigger. -Winch bases are fiberglass boxes instead of bronze supports. Not as classy, but you can make a cutout in the coaming and glass in the bottom to create coaming boxes, very handy indeed. The cleats are mounted on the box instead of the coaming itself. -Longer cockpit well, as you know. The tiller head becomes a toe crusher, but you can easily seat 6+ comfortably for beers. -Higher bridgedeck. This is mostly a minus. It creats a little extra room under the bridgedeck for mounting electronics and things, but crawling under a dodger into the cabin is more difficult. It also makes the cockpit benches a hair under 6', which means I can't lay down completely comfortably! -Full companionway ladder with a smaller fiberglass engine cover, instead of the combined engine cover/2 step ladder. -Teak trim throughout. I think many type I's are mahogany. Both fine woods. The type IIs also seem to have a little more trim throughout the cabin, for example, solid 1/2" trim encasing the main bulkhead, and 1/4" teak plywood on the interior cabin house sides. The aft faces of the cabin house are teak ply boards instead of just painted glass. -Less fancy cabin shelf trim. Just one long piece of teak for the fiddle. Like I said, minor differences. -No teak eyebrow trim on the doghouse for Type IIs. At least not that I've seen. I like the eyebrows and may add them someday. Related, the handrails in the cabin are mounted further inboard, not on the cabin sides. -Rudder geometry. I'm not sure what the history of this is, but I notice most T27s, especially older ones, have a rudder different than mine. The trailing edge of my rudder is slanted forward, while other boats are aft. Also not sure how this affects performance. -Fiberglass dorade vent boxes instead of solid wood. Also, bow lights are mounted on hull up forward, not on dorade boxes. I'm sure there are many other small differences--there are plenty of differences just among the Type I's over their 13 year production-- but either way, Type I and Type II boats are generally similar. Given a choice between purchasing the two, I'd just choose whichever one has a diesel! (sorry, just fed up with my A4 lately). Hope that helps - Adam --- In T27Owners@..., "chrisd4700" <chrisd4700@...> wrote: a T27. It's one of the last hulls before the switch to the T27-2.heard they made minor changes but for the better. I personally like therear lazarette. Just thought I'd ask. I'm pretty excited to get myhands on one. Thanks for your time. |
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Re: T27-2 on e-bay
H. Robert Holmes
And here is yet another one! #136... in FL.
--- In T27Owners@..., "ackermwi" <ackermwi@...> wrote: ; %3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=140112639646<; E%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=140112639646> |
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Re: Type ll cockpit on later T27's
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThey are barely
trailerable.? It takes a hefty trailer to move one.?
?
I got some really
good sailing in this weekend.? Sailed both Sat and Sun.? Sunday in
particular I sailed about 10NM in the evening.? We were even up to about
6.5 knots a couple times and about 5 knots running downwind wing and wing.?
I guess we were picturesque enough that the local "Joe's crab shack tourist
boat" circled us for people to take pics.? The wind was just right and so
we sailed all the way into clear lake through a channel that zig zags.? The
Joe's boat picked up another load? of riders and followed us into the lake
and basically did a u-turn in front of us.? I can't be sure that we were
the attraction but it's awfully suspicious.? Sunday conditions were SE
winds about 12 kts.? Saturday was 5 to 10kts, same
direction.
?
Anyhow it's always
fun when you can overtake a cabin cruiser under sail.? :)?
Unfortunately he persisted in staying in my way going into the channel.... and
then we were only doing 1.5 to 2 kts due to wind shifts, buildings, and
bridges.? But it was still very peaceful to sail
through.
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On another note, I'm
sailing without centerboard right now.? So I can tell you definitively what
it does.? It manages weather helm.? I repaired my main traveler and
I'm able to point into the wind up to the tabs on my windex.? Which I
consider to be pretty darn good.? The only difference I've noticed is that
without the centerboard you tend to round up more and you get more of a workout
on the tiller then with it.? Having experienced this I'll be building
something simple and functional out of plywood with glass and some steel for
weight.? I think I now understand that the weight is just to get it to
reliably go down when sailing and stay there.
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Fair
winds,
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T27-2 on craigslist
Just to join into the fray, there is another T27 for sail, asking $6.5K
It is a 1974 w/25HP diesel from '89. Unfortunately for Bill (in Schenectady) this one is in Alabama (area code 251). I found another from 1967 w/no price or location at: Good luck Bill. Caleb Nyack, NY #328 Odalisque ; %3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=140112639646<; E%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=140112639646> |
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Re: NEW OWNER OF TARTAN 27 1964
ronmarinepcolafl
Thanks for all the info. I do have all the rigging and the hardware
from when I took down the mast. THe cost involved in fixing and the time wold be way to long and to much. I could just find one on the internet and set sail.... That is why I think I will put a small outboard on it and just push it around. I live 10 min from a couple of islands and really great camping spots. I can fit my family on it and we can at least get on the water... that is the main thing/ I love being on the water and so does my family --- In T27Owners@..., <brian@...> wrote: even conservatively. You might find a mast for about $200. But theboom, hardware, running rigging (lines to work sails), standing riggingare gonna put you back $1500 even if you cheapskate it. Then you areback to go in the boat. It will tell you what hull # you have. I have#71 which is 1964 as well. I posted a link earlier on a boat on LongIsland for $4K.boat...... plan to spend $5 to $7K. I (or another member) could measurethings for you as you go. Although, frankly, you could pay Tartan $70 for acopy of hte plans and then rebuild from there. There are some things Idon't like and would do differently, but that mainly involves making thehead bigger so it could have a shower. I also took the floor out of mymore tolerable when it gets hot down here in Houston.pit. Although it is nice for certain things. :) |
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Re: Type ll cockpit on later T27's
Chris,
Sorry to take so long to respond to your post. I have a type 1 T27 from 1967 so I can't comment on the changes made to the type 2 cockpit. All I can tell you is that there are a lot of happy type 2 T27 owners out there and the differences between them is minimal enough so that they can all race as a class together (same PHRF for all models). In general the changes they made were improvements in one way or another. This is a great boat for someone who wants to get an affordable cruiser. The better maintained boats will fetch a slightly higher price and many (but not all) former owners took good care of these boats. I have seen some of the better maintained boats at asking prices around 10K. Having said that we got ours from a guy who had bought an Irwin 32' and needed to get his old boat off his wallet so we got ours for 4K. Of course we have spent more than that on just beer since getting her! What body of water would you want to keep your new boat on? Good luck. Caleb #328 Odalisque |
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Re: NEW OWNER OF TARTAN 27 1964
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOuch..... I think on
that boat I would tell you to hunt down another one.? Your going to spend
$4k getting it back to being a sailboat, even conservatively.? You might
find a mast for about $200.? But the boom, hardware, running rigging (lines
to work sails), standing rigging are gonna put you back $1500 even if you
cheapskate it.? Then you are looking at another $1000 for sails if you buy
them used.
?
The rigging is
simple and straightforward, but I'm betting you don't have chainplates
either.
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Sad sad sad.?
There should be a brass plate on the hatch you slide back to go in the
boat.? It will tell you what hull # you have.? I have #71 which is
1964 as well.? I posted a link earlier on a boat on Long Island for
$4K.
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If you decide you
have money to burn and want to restore this boat...... plan to spend $5 to
$7K.? I (or another member) could measure things for you as you go.?
Although, frankly, you could pay Tartan $70 for a copy of hte plans and then
rebuild from there.? There are some things I don't like and would do
differently, but that mainly involves making the head bigger so it could have a
shower.? I also took the floor out of my v-berth and installed a Marine AC
unit there.? Makes my boat much more tolerable when it gets hot down here
in Houston.
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As for the other new
member.? The lazarette is sort of a bottomless pit.? Although it is
nice for certain things.? :)
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Re: NEW OWNER OF TARTAN 27 1964
Ron, You are correct.? The difference between a 64' and 65' is pretty minimal if at all.? Since you have no mast or boom I can safely assume that you have no standing rigging either (the wires that hold the mast up).? Replacing the spars (mast & boom) could be a pretty expensive proposition not to mention all the standing rigging.? One thing you could do is find an old mast and boom and try to retro fit it into your boat.? You would need to shim the hole in the deck the mast goes through as well as the foot (where the bottom of the mast sits on the floor or sole so it does not slide around inside the cabin).? There is a File under the T27Owners Group called information.htm that has the specifics on the standing rigging, spars, running rigging and other details about the boat. It sounds like the interior of your boat was pretty badly stripped.? Sorry to hear that.? The old Tartan 27s were built like Cadillacs when they were made and the hull is quite thick (1/2", I just cut a hole in my hull) and they have classic sailboat lines.? With all the original wood on them they can look beautiful but all that wood needs work so maybe you are lucky to some extent.? I hate to say it but this boat would make a great platform with just a 15HP (minimum I would suggest) outboard motor on her and a place to sleep.? You could get camping cooking gear, a bucket and be done with it too.? Keep in mind that this boat was originally powered with a 20HP (or is it 30?) engine that you only need the peak output from? unless it is windy as hell. Originally there was a v-berth up in the forward part of the cabin for sleeping (with lockers underneath for storage) and the fresh water tank was located here under the v-berth (I assume that has been stripped out of your boat too?).? Is the rudder still attached to the hull (there would be a tiller for steering in the back of the cockpit if there was)? Now that the Atomic4 engine is gone (along with a lot of stuff) your boat is probably a lot lighter than mine.? People do make custom trailers for these hulls (again, usually expensive) but the stated weight of this boat (fully loaded) is 7200 Lbs which is almost 4 tons.? You need a pretty strong vehicle to tow this much weight any distance.? If there is a boatyard nearby that would pull your boat out they usually supply jack-stands to hold your boat up for a monthly price if you want it out of the water to work on. As far as pics of this boat most people tend to take shots of themselves relaxing in the cockpit rather than detailing all the features of their boat but there are photos at various owners websites under the Links section of the T27Owners Group (here is my site which is also listed there:? http://www.odalisque.us/ ).? I can try to take some pics of the interior of my boat this weekend to show you what was probably there some time ago. Definitely check out the Links page for this website that I have put together if you haven't already:? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/T27Owners/links Caleb #328, Odalisque -----Original Message-----
From: ronmarinepcolafl@... To: T27Owners@... Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 6:52 PM Subject: [T27Owners] Re: NEW OWNER OF TARTAN 27 1965 My mistake it is a 1964 not 65 if that makes a difference.... I did have jib with her. But dont know where to find a mast and boom. there is absolutley nothing inside of her except a sink and a bench. I think the guy who gave it to me was just putting around fishing off of her. I love the way she looks.... though kept up very poorly by the last owner. I under stand fiberglass pretty well. I know how to paint boats. I am just not real familiar with the interior and how to build correctly. I am attempting to build the interior platform for the bed in the bow area so I can at least spend the night on her. The prev. owner has already fixed a mount on the rear of the boat for a outboard. But she still has the ability to glide right along with a sail. I just need a mast. She has no atomic 4 . for some reason it has been removed and the shaft hole plugged. She doesnt leak. Alos none of the exterior is available either...... this is strickly a shell of a boat. But I see much more. Even if it takes a while to make worthy of using. I am also looking for a trailer to get her out of the water and work on her. So if you hear or know of anything send me a line. If you want to see some pics to give advice let me know. I know nothing about this boat but I am learning and love this boat more and more... --- In T27Owners@..., calebjess@... wrote: > > Ron, > You have got an old T27 if I am not miss taken. It is a beautiful old boat and needs some of the interior perhaps replaced. A picture or two of what had been removed or damaged might have been useful but I will refer you to a few Files on this website that has the original specifications for the T27 as well as the original owners manual. My boat still has the alcohol stove and galley on the starboard or right side of the boat facing the bow with a bunch of nice interior varnished teak that still looks nice and my boat is from 1967 so I feel bad for you that your boat was vandalized and hurt. > I am sorry to say that I dont have any pictures of the cabin interior of the Taran 27 on this website but there are some photos of us and aour boat at my webste > I will also refer you to the Links section of this website for information about fibergalss (otherwise known as epoxy and cloth or matt) , your current engine which is probably an Atomic 4 which you might be able to get running if you havent tried much and encourage you to continue to ask about your boat project. > There is an inherent problem with the T27 where the transom slopes in towards the hull makes mounting an outboard motor platform somewhat problematic but not impossible with the use of tools and epoxy and fiberglass. > Even with the best motor you would only be able to go about 6+ mph over water minus current. Are you sure you want to turn this sail boat into a motor boat? Does it have any sails that the crackhead did not make off with? Maybe the old gal can still move on her own, > Keep us posted and good luck with your project. > #328 Odalisque > Caleb > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ronmarinepcolafl@... > To: T27Owners@... > Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 9:02 PM > Subject: [T27Owners] NEW OWNER OF TARTAN 27 1965 > > I am looking for specs on the interior of this boat. > I was givin this boat and it is almost completly empty. > The mast I had taken down to get under a bridge and by the > time I returned to the ship yard where i left it. Some crackhead > cut it up and sold it for scrap. Anyway. My kids and I really like the > way it looks and my son is very eager to help rebuild this boat to at > least a motorized cruiser. If anyone knows where to get the best deals > on parts and maybe even some blueprints so I can build stuff myself. > Your knowlege would be greatly appreciated. I am also looking for an > outboard to fit this until we can drydock and replace the onboard engine > > thanks a bunch > Ron > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:T27Owners-digest@... mailto:T27Owners-fullfeatured@... <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: T27Owners-unsubscribe@... <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at . |
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