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Re: I just got a sunfish and need some help finding parts.
Gail M. Turluck
It's pretty unusual to have a hull with no hardware on it. Is that the
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case? Or, are you simply looking for a sail & clips, rudder/tiller assembly, daggerboard, to finish her off? ~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~ Gail M. Turluck ~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~ -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Carney [mailto:wcarney@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:28 PM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: RE: [sunfish_sailor] Re: I just got a sunfish and need some help finding parts. You are right, the deck fittings are standard. It depends on whether you want to race in sanctioned events or not. The Class Association requires "approved" equipment. If you are just recreating and/or club racing - no worries. You can use what ever works in that case. The rudder and it's hardware are usually the toughest to find, daggerboard is second, sail third. Is the rudder attachment made of brass plates top and bottom or a stainless steel bracket on the transom? If stainless, you have the "new style". That is important to know for shopping around. Access to a machine shop is a plus in my book, but you might be better off with a wood shop for the major items you need. My suggestion is to make a list of everything you need based on the parts diagram. Look up the new parts and their cost on the net and choose how to proceed from there. I also suggest reading through the Sunfish Class Association Message Board going back a few months. You never know what you might find. Wayne -----Original Message----- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: I just got a sunfish and need some help finding parts.
Wayne Carney
You are right, the deck fittings are standard. It depends on whether you
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want to race in sanctioned events or not. The Class Association requires "approved" equipment. If you are just recreating and/or club racing - no worries. You can use what ever works in that case. The rudder and it's hardware are usually the toughest to find, daggerboard is second, sail third. Is the rudder attachment made of brass plates top and bottom or a stainless steel bracket on the transom? If stainless, you have the "new style". That is important to know for shopping around. Access to a machine shop is a plus in my book, but you might be better off with a wood shop for the major items you need. My suggestion is to make a list of everything you need based on the parts diagram. Look up the new parts and their cost on the net and choose how to proceed from there. I also suggest reading through the Sunfish Class Association Message Board going back a few months. You never know what you might find. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Re: I just got a sunfish and need some help finding parts.
Thanks for the reply. The hull is a '72 model and is in good shape.
What parts would be hard to get a hold of? I would think deck hardware is pretty standardized. Other parts I could possibly make in my machine shop if it came down to it I suppose. --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Wayne Carney" <wcarney@f...> wrote: rudder hardware.what you need.and having spent months restoring older Fish across the years I have learnedthat used parts for these boats are few and far between. Dan Feldman (WindLine Sails) has even gone so far as to write an article on the subject offinding a good used Fish just to help sailors stay out of the missing parts blackhole, among other perils. (see for thearticle) for parts and buying a complete boat to sail. I see used Sunfish, ready tosail, advertised for upwards of $300 frequently. That's far less than youwill probably spend on the parts you need. I'm guessing a used rudder,be a lot tougher to locate than a complete boat.is buythe best place to shop for these items? I'd like to buy used if I yet! |
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Re: I just got a sunfish and need some help finding parts.
Wayne Carney
Hmmmmm...., you've got a project boat there.
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Any idea what year it is? It may make a difference for finding rudder hardware. Take a look at this diagram from the Vanguard website to figure out what you need. Here are a couple of places you might post a "Parts Wanted" message: Sunfish Class Association Message Board Sailing Texas - Sailboat Parts Message Board New Parts - (My recommendation) Used Parts - Howie's Parts Page (the only used parts dealer I've heard of) I don't mean to be a party pooper, but being a tinkerer at heart and having spent months restoring older Fish across the years I have learned that used parts for these boats are few and far between. Dan Feldman (Wind Line Sails) has even gone so far as to write an article on the subject of finding a good used Fish just to help sailors stay out of the missing parts black hole, among other perils. (see for the article) Considering what you need, you might be better off using this boat for parts and buying a complete boat to sail. I see used Sunfish, ready to sail, advertised for upwards of $300 frequently. That's far less than you will probably spend on the parts you need. I'm guessing a used rudder, daggerboard and sail will run you at least $300. Parts could also be a lot tougher to locate than a complete boat. Good Luck, Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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I just got a sunfish and need some help finding parts.
I recently got a sunfish hull, mast, and boom but will need deck
hardware, keel board, rudder/tiller assembly, and a sail. Where is the best place to shop for these items? I'd like to buy used if I can, but may have to buy new pieces as well. Surprisingly, eBay doesn't seem to have much. Any ideas would greatly help. I'm not even sure what I need to buy yet! |
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Re: Elvstrom bailer gasket
Wayne
I'm not familiar with this bailer, but I ran across this page that
might help. W- --- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Aditya Garg" <gaajar@y...> wrote: I took the Express Wind out for the first time and discovered that |
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Re: Sunfish Emblem on Sail
Wayne Carney
JPM,
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You might try contacting Vanguard, the current manufacturer of Sunfish. email: info@... web page: Someone at the Sunfish Class Association might also be able to point you in a direction of a resource. United States Sunfish Class Association P.O. Box 300128 Waterford, MI 48330-0128 USA (248) 673-2750 I'd be interested to know what you find. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Sunfish Emblem on Sail
Hi ..... I have a couple Sunfish sails .... a racing sail which is
in "almost new" condition ..... and a regular sail (which I really like best for daysailing and overall color/appearance).... I had thought of purchasing a new one like it, however the color scheme is no longer available on a new sail. This regular sail, though quite old is in pretty good shape ..... and was recently cleaned. The problem is that the Sunfish emblem which had been on it is now only a light gray and almost un-noticeable. Has anyone had any experience with restoring or painting the emblem? Or do you know .... are there possibly "Iron-ons" which can be purchased to replace/restore the emblem? Thanks for any info you may provide. /JPM |
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Re: did you build your dolly jeff?
congressman
Never built one, bought a second sunfish with a
trailer, so we just leave one on the beach and have one ready to go. Jeff ===== terra firma is for farmers __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). |
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Re: Placement of sail on older Sunfish
Wayne Carney
JPM,
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[adapted from an earlier discussion] The current factory setup instructions counts rings UP from the bottom and it says to tie the halyard between the 9th and 10th sail rings. However, the published diagram shows the halyard between the 8th and 9th sail rings. I recommend experience as the best way to judge what is best for your sailing style. Try it in different locations and see how you like it. I see resort pictures where they tie between the 7th and 8th and even 6th and 7th for recreational sailing, but I don't personally recommend the last point at all. When the sail is up high the boat is more prone to capsize in a gust unless you are watching carefully and reacting quickly. On the other hand, racers sometimes have the boom down on the deck. You can adjust the gooseneck position** too. There are positive and negative efficiencies associated with these moves. What you choose will depend on what you want to achieve. ** adjusting the gooseneck position on a boat without an adjustable "quick-release" gooseneck may prove to be a challenge because it requires tools [hard to do at the beach] and the gooseneck pinch bolt is often frozen. Here is a tuning guide for performance sailing. This will give you some insight to the sail position preferred for competition. For recreational sailing the sail height is adjusted more as a balance between comfort and speed. I recommend you get a hold of a copy of the Sunfish Bible. The book discusses, among other things, the reasons and purpose behind the fine points of boat setup. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Placement of sail on older Sunfish
I have a 1967(?) vintage Sunfish (Alcort Serial # 45799). I am
probably the 3rd (or 4th ?) owner, and have never adjusted the height of the sail since I have had it (about 5 years). I SUSPECT that I am sailing with the sail too high. When the gaff is pulled tight to the top of the mast, the boom is about 36" off the deck. Or looking at it another way, the halyard is tied to the gaff between the 6th and 7th grommet/ring (counting from the lower end .... at the boom). I am guessing that the halyard should PROBABLY be fastened between the 8th and the 9th Ring/Grommet. Any one got the straight skinny on this one? Thanks/JPM |
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Re: Who Car Tops their Sunfish?
Wayne Carney
Reliable tie-downs:
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-----Original Message----- I am a big fan of River Runner tie-downs (aka cam straps) found at kayak and camping suppliers. These straps are as strong or stronger than ratchet straps. The cam hardware is much less bulky and cam straps are much easier to thread and tighten or loosen and remove than ratchets. Cam straps are quicker for most people to rig than tying up with line. They come in a variety of lengths and are relatively inexpensive. I use a pair of 3" wide straps to tie my boat to the trailer and 1" straps to tie down the spars. When I car-top spars, paddles, or anything else I find cam straps invaluable. One final note, the cam hardware and bulk strap material (webbing) is sometimes available from camping equipment suppliers like EMS or REI. This makes it possible for you to sew your own custom straps. Here's one of many sources for cam straps. Wayne |
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Re: Sunfish Weight
Wayne Carney
JPM,
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There shouldn't be a problem rolling the boat up on one side. For those Fish with a drain plug near the starboard rail it's a routine practice to roll the boat up on it's side to drain out any water. Wayne -----Original Message----- |
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Re: Sunfish Weight
Hey Gail, Joe, and Wayne ..... Thanks a bunch to each of you for your
feedback. I appreciate the responses. Guess I'll just haul out my bathroom scale and weigh it on my patio. I had actually thought of that priorto writing, but was worried about trying to focus all the weight onto the hull in such a small footprint as a bathroom scaleBut it sounds like you folks have done it without any problems, so I will give it a shot; maybe I'll try standing it up on the transom. Anyway, thanks again. Regards/JPM .--- In sunfish_sailor@..., "Gail M. Turluck" <turluck@c...> wrote: Most of us simply take our bathroom scale outside, put it on a flatside ON the scale, finding a balance point so that you are almost not touchthe hull at all, and reading what the scale says.he's rigged in his garage, and he ties a line to the bow and around the sternto make a bridle, and hoists the boat and reads ...foam ... the weight answers that question.it might weigh. Has anyone had any experience with actually weighing a |
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Re: Sunfish Weight
Gail M. Turluck
Most of us simply take our bathroom scale outside, put it on a flat
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location, take the Sunfish hull over to it, tip the boat on its side ON the scale, finding a balance point so that you are almost not touch the hull at all, and reading what the scale says. A friend of mine just picked up a fish scale (for big fish) that he's rigged in his garage, and he ties a line to the bow and around the stern to make a bridle, and hoists the boat and reads ... You can have zero apparent water and still have water in the foam ... the weight answers that question. Good luck. Sincerely, Gail ~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~ Gail M. Turluck ~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~ -----Original Message-----
From: kuzitsfun [mailto:jmahon01@...] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:47 AM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Sunfish Weight Hi Folks ..... New to this message board .... so "hi" to all. I own an older Sunfish; but not sure how old(it is an Alcort.... I suspect it is from the late 60's). On the internet, I see lots of writings about weight, and how the fish needs to be 135 lbs or less (especially if racing). In looking under the deck (through portal) I see no signs of moisture, and I have no idea how much my boat weighs. But still, I am curious what it might weigh. Has anyone had any experience with actually weighing a Sunfish ....can you tell me the best way to do it? Regards/JPM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Who Car Tops their Sunfish?
Gail M. Turluck
Any commercially produced roof rack which mounts securely to a car top will
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perform very well with a Sunfish. Be sure to tie the hull to the rack very securely, also tie the bow of the boat down to the front of the car and tie the stern (I use the traveler) down to the back of the car. Then you can lash the spars alongside the hull, on the rack, making sure it's also secure. Don't just use bungee cords, use line, or ratcheting straps, or something that will be reliable. Most of us put some kind of padding on the poles for the boat to rest on (upside down; those swim noodles with a hole in them work well, so does waste carpeting from the local installer). You will notice more windage, your mileage will be reduced a little, but other than that, you should have no problems. I've cartopped with a Pinto, a Tempo, minivans, a Crown Vic, and the affect is fairly much the same. Your Grand Am weighs at least a couple thousand pounds ... Barring a tornado, the boat won't make you flip over in a puff or anything ... I've done this extensively for many years, know plenty of others who do it too. The only ones who have had a problem have had it because they didn't tie something right, they didn't double check the rack attachment points, etc. In short, you're all set to load up your boat, drive across country to wherever you want to sail it, and join in the FUN! Congratulations. Sincerely, Gail ~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~ Gail M. Turluck ~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~~~/)~~~/)~~~~/)~ -----Original Message-----
From: smprfidels [mailto:SmprFidels@...] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:57 AM To: sunfish_sailor@... Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Who Car Tops their Sunfish? I am considering trying to carry my "new" sunfish on top of my wife's car, it is a 97 Grand Am. I purchased some racks that seem to be pretty stable when mounted. Does anyone have any comments/suggestions? My wife is very wary about this concerned about how the boat will adversly effect the way the car drives especially if the wind that i love so much is blowing. Thanks in advance for any help. Matt Woodall SmprFidels@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor If you do not wish to belong to Sunfish_sailor, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Please do not send unsubscribe requests directly to the group. USEFUL ADDRESSES Post message: sunfish_sailor@... Subscribe: sunfish_sailor-subscribe@... Unsubscribe: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... URL to egroups page: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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