Date

Re: A couple concerns about repairs.

Wayne Carney
 

Hi Nolan,

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] A couple concerns about repairs.

I now have 3 long and deep grooves in the gelcoat on the ridge that
runs the length of the hull, and a couple "chips" (could just be
gelcoat, as the fiber is visible but doesn't appear compromised)
around the daggerboard hole.
.... What are some indicators that repair is necessary for quality
purposes rather than aesthetics?

Since you say the grooves are deep and you have glass cloth exposed I'd say
you should repair the damage. Eventually water will get into the cloth and
promote delamination, so fixing the exposed areas is crucial.

You can gelcoat the damaged area or use one of the epoxy "system" repair
kits that's available. You might be able to get away with using fairing
compound where only the gelcoat is grooved. Whatever you do, the chips where
glass is exposed should be repaired with a polyester resin / milled glass
fiber mix or marine epoxy. Marine epoxy is less dense and less brittle than
fiberglass resin, it's preferred by nearly all the boat builders and repair
shops I know, but it's also more expensive. The choice is yours. Once the
chips are filled you can dremel out an overlapping 1/32" deep dimple over
the repair area and fill it with colored gelcoat or epoxy to match the hull
if looks are important.

The daggerboard trunk of a Sunfish is notorious for developing leaks. This
is probably due to grounding the daggerboard and stressing the trunk
sleeve/hull interface. If you have chips broken out in this area I recommend
fixing them immediately. I have scraped out the seam of every "fish" I've
owned and back-filled and smoothed it. The factory seam leaves a step that
is susceptible to edge chipping and subsequent water invasion. I build up a
taper that eliminates the right angle step.

Another thing you might consider once your repairs are complete is to line
the leading and trailing edge of the trunk with indoor/outdoor carpet. I use
strips of rubber (not foam rubber) fused carpet type door mat attached with
contact cement. This cushions the trunk from occasional thumps that ding
both the board and trunk and, if you get the thickness just right, gives the
daggreboard just enough friction to stay where you put it when you adjust it
for running before the wind or beaching. I mark my board so I know just
where it is too.

A word of caution. If you own one of the over priced (but not over rated)
"racing" daggerboards, don't make the trunk lining too snug. There has been
a case of someone pushing down on the board with their hand curled in the
"handle" [where else would you put it]. When the board dropped into place
the momentum sheered off the cheesy, hollow, cheap ass stops and the
sailor's hand was injured.

[stepping down off the soap box]



Also, one of the masts has what sounds like about a cup of water in
it. How do I get that out and keep it out?
Mast and spars have end caps which can be removed. The caps are held on with
roll pins or pop-rivets depending on model year and previous disassembly.
Either way the caps can be removed so the water can be drained. If you are
unfamiliar with these methods of attachment contact me and I can walk you
through removal.

I have sealed the mast and spars on all the Sun and Sailfish I have owned.


Wayne


A couple concerns about repairs.

habeggernd
 

For the last 3 weeks I've been sailing the stuffing out of my 2
recently acquired 'Fish. Yesterday evening I was out in 10-17 mph and
had lots of fun chasing a friend of mine around Lake Houston. On
final approach to the boat ramp, I miscalculated the wind. When I
pulled up my daggerboard, a shifting gust blew me right into the
concrete slope that makes up the ramp.

I now have 3 long and deep grooves in the gelcoat on the ridge that
runs the length of the hull, and a couple "chips" (could just be
gelcoat, as the fiber is visible but doesn't appear compromised)
around the daggerboard hole. The chips could have occurred last
weekend when the same boat got hung up over some submerged pilings in
Galveston Bay. This particular boat has had past evidence of a leak
(less than a US pint of water inside the front hull after 3 hours of
sailing).

Sunfish have a reputation for being tough, but reality tells me that
they are not indestructible in the strictest sense of the word. I
don't want to be obsessive about dings and scratches, but I DO want
to preserve the integrity of the boat. What are some indicators that
repair is necessary for quality purposes rather than aesthetics?

Also, one of the masts has what sounds like about a cup of water in
it. How do I get that out and keep it out?

Thanks in advance for all the help.

Fair winds and following seas,

Nolan Habegger
Houston, TX


Re: Digest Number 14

wind_lass1
 

This sounds like a good book to have around (no pun intended).

Thanks for the review,

Whit



--- In sunfish_sailor@y..., "Malcolm Dickinson" <malcolm@a...> wrote:
Hi Malcolm,

What is the Sunfish Bible ?
Whitney,

The bible is a reprint of three wonderful sunfish books. All three
are now
out of print, so Will White got all the copyright holders to agree
to have
their books published together as one book.

Two of the books are about racing, and one is about both racing and
cruising. For the most part they are aimed at someone who's
interested in
getting better at Sunfish racing, but will be interesting reading
for anyone
who's a fan of the boat.

Full information is at


best,
Malcolm


Re: Digest Number 14

Malcolm Dickinson
 

Hi Malcolm,

What is the Sunfish Bible ?
Whitney,

The bible is a reprint of three wonderful sunfish books. All three are now
out of print, so Will White got all the copyright holders to agree to have
their books published together as one book.

Two of the books are about racing, and one is about both racing and
cruising. For the most part they are aimed at someone who's interested in
getting better at Sunfish racing, but will be interesting reading for anyone
who's a fan of the boat.

Full information is at


best,
Malcolm


Re: Sunfish Bible

bishop2398
 

What is the Sunfish Bible ?
It's three books combined under one cover, plus a collection of
magazine articles. It covers trailering, rigging, racing, goofing
off, maintenance...you name it. They were out of print for about a
year, and quite hard to find (people were asking - and getting -
north of 80 bucks for a copy).


Re: Sunfish Bible

wind_lass1
 

Hi Malcolm,

What is the Sunfish Bible ?


Whitney

--- In sunfish_sailor "Malcolm Dickinson" wrote:
-----Original Message-----

Tackle Shack, located in Pinellas Park, Fl now has the Sunfish
Bible in stock.


Sunfish Bible

Malcolm Dickinson
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sunfish Sailboat Racing - East & Gulf Coasts
[mailto:SUNFISH@...]

-----------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:51:56 -0400
From: Mindy Strauley <mskatz@...>
Subject: Sunfish Bible now in stock


Tackle Shack, located in Pinellas Park, Fl now has the Sunfish Bible in =
stock.

Call 1-800-537-6099 and ask for Andy or Paul if interested.


Thanks
Mindy

--


Re: PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?

Malcolm Dickinson
 

From: "habeggernd" <habeggernd@...>
Subject: PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?

I recently acquired
two 1980s vintage fish in excellent condition.
Do they have the metal rub rail around the gunwale, or a molded fiberglass
lip? If they have the lip, and they are actually from the period 1988-1992,
then you may have trouble with them. If they've got the metal rub rail,
then they should be good boats!

I have one racing sail and one stock sail
If the racing sail dates from that same period, then it's not the same
"racing sail" that's being sold today. You may want to hunt around on the
Sunfish listserve for a used (1 or 2 seasons) racing sail or two.

the boats are both
rigged for racing as near as I can tell (wire traveller with a center
loop
You'll want to get rid of those old wire travellers and replace them with
the new one - which has no center loop.

the bottom
boat rests hull down on a conventional boat trailer setup equipped
with one roller and a set of pulpits aft, while the upper boat is
flipped over and rides on its deck on foam pipe insulation as a
buffer.
The configuration is fine. Unless you want to build a steel frame to hold
the upper boat (which would be better in the long run, but time consuming),
this should work well.

However, the foam pipe insulation sounds like trouble to me. You'll want to
construct a pair of wooden "spacers" to fit between the boat. The front one
should have a protuberance will fit into the mast step holes of both boats.
The back one should rest on the broad flat deck area just aft of the
cockpit.

Make both of them out of plywood with a 2x4 spacer in between. Scribe the
plywood to the shape of the deck. Cover in carpeting. Extend the 2x4 out to
the side so that you can tie the spars onto the spacers!

My dilemma: there is no space engineered on the trailer to carry the
sails and masts comfortably. The previous owner wrapped the two
lateen rigs and their masts in a canvas boat cover and lashed the
whole miserable lump to one side of the trailer.
This is a bad system because it destroys the sail.

I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper
corners of the trailer rack (underneath the tubes the top boat rests
on) - one pipe for each sail/mast combination.
Yes, this is a great idea. Have a look at how Bruce Cattanach did it. He
was kind enough to make a very detailed web site illustrating his trailer
project.


In my mind, a threaded cap on the aft end
No, you want something that is nice and open so that as much wind as
possible will get in the back. A closed tube is a recipe for mildew.

On my tube I made a "gate" or "grate" by cutting up a piece of scrap wire
shelving (the "Closet Maid" shelving sold by the foot at Home Depot.) I
drilled two 1/2" holes in the pipe at the back and cut the wire mesh just a
bit too big. It slides into one hole, then into the other, and stays
securely. I need to take a picture and post it on the web...

On my trailer I use an 8" tube which holds (believe it or not) 2 spars with
sails, 2 masts, and once when necessary, a third set of bare spars!!

My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail
against PVC during stowing and retrieval will cause some trouble I
don't want down the road.
I have always used a sailbag inside my tube. However I know Laser sailors
who store their sails in PVC tubes (which remain permanently strapped to the
roof rack of their SUV, since their tubes are so much shorter than ours) and
they don't have any problem. Then again, they don't have metal spars
bumping around in there.

(For the record, I currently wrap the
mainsail around the boom, secure it with the sheet line, leaving the
mast free.)
Actually, you do NOT want to wrap the sail around the boom. When you're
done sailing, leave the mast in the gooseneck and lay the sail out on the
port side of the boat. Place the two spars right up against each other.
Then genty roll the sail towards the spars. You want the window to end up on
the inside of the roll, so that it cannot be contacted by the spars during
storage.

ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats
topside down?
No. Though I am worried that the support between your two boats isn't
sufficient. The one problem I heard about with trailering boats in this
"clamshell" style was a family who made their spacers out of foam. The foam
kind of collapsed and one boat started to work its way off to the side.
That's why I recommend wood covered in carpet.

Good luck,

Malcolm Dickinson
52943


Re: PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?

Wayne Carney
 

Hello Nolan,

Welcome. . . .

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?
I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper
corners of the trailer rack (underneath the tubes the top boat rests
on) - one pipe for each sail/mast combination. In my mind, a threaded
cap on the aft end will make stowing and retrieval much less of a
frustration.
My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail against PVC . . .
In my experience the PVC pipe idea works great. I transported a Hobie Cat
mast and sails in a 12" pipe for several years. The sail was in a bag, but
the sail bag was stuffed into the tube along with the mast and traveled just
fine. The worst consequence I can think of is that the aluminum spars may
rub some black marks onto the sail.

If you are worried about hardware snagging the sail you might consider
placing the spars and mast into a bag first. I made a bag for my Sunfish
mast/spars out of inexpensive (un-coated) ripstop by sewing a basic bag and
then running a stitch up the middle. The sail wrapped spars go in one pocket
and the mast in the other. The bag makes it easier to carry the mast and
spars down to the water's edge also.

Remember to put a small vent hole in the bottom of your pipe or cap. If you
are like me you will get a line wet just before you pack up. The
condensation inside the tube will promote mildew on your sail and lines.
You'll need the world's largest bottle brush to clean the tubes if you get
mold growing in there. You might consider a screw cap at both ends. I
recommend tethering your screw-on caps to the tube too.

It just struck me that you will also have the world's largest double
barreled potato cannon [ maybe that would be a watermelon cannon ]. Anyway,
you would sure have a tool for clearing out the PWC's before you launch.
8^)


ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats topside
down?

Actually, the racing crowd recommends transporting this way. The bottom of
the boat is subject to fatigue. When the bottom goes "soft" the boat is not
considered competitive any longer for world class competition. As for the
rest of us. . . . it has been my observation that most small boat trailers
are designed for motor boats. They use rollers and/or pedestals to support
the hull. The problem with this arrangement is that the hull of a motorboat
is considerably thicker than that of small sailboats. These supports focus
the force of road bumps on small areas of the hull causing fatigue spots,
dimples and possibly breakage. To get the maximum life out of your hull for
racing OR recreation the inverted method is by far the superior choice.

Another hull friendly method is the full-length bunk method. I use this
arrangement because I often sail solo and it can be easily loaded single
handed. My layout consists of carpeted and padded 2" X 4" bunks that cover a
sizeable portion of the hull supporting the bulk of the weight at the chine.
I have two more center bunks that just provide minimal support at the
center - they are about 2" apart and run nearly the length of the hull. The
center bunks also act as support at the bow creating a three point system.

I have heard of another system where the boat is suspended in a couple of
slings or a hammock arrangement. I have not seen nor have I heard how
successful this method is.

I will post photos of my bunk arrangement if anyone is interested.

You can find some examples of other trailering arrangements and ideas at the
following web site:




In case you haven't found it yet, there is a class association for Sunfish.
The web site is full of good information on all sorts of stuff. Here's the
address just in case you are interested:




Also, here's the address of the East Coast Sunfish group email "list
server". Some of the world's best Sunfish sailors are members of this email
list. They don't limit their advice to just racing though, so you can get
some good answers to your questions here as well.




Lastly, are you aware that there is a Sunfish group in Texas? Murphy's Law
says it's gonna be across the state from where ever you are, but here's
their web address as well.



Good Sailing,

Wayne Carney
CO


PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?

habeggernd
 

As a newbie to the list, allow me to introduce myself along with a
relatively simple question.

I'm a rookie Sunfish owner living in Houston, TX. I recently acquired
two 1980s vintage fish in excellent condition. As a father of four
and an avid Sunfish sailor in my youth (ages 12-19) I am ecstatic. I
have one racing sail and one stock sail, and the boats are both
rigged for racing as near as I can tell (wire traveller with a center
loop, mainssheet cam cleats center deck, racing flag interpretation
decal, etc.).

The boats are trailered in a "bunk bed" configuration: the bottom
boat rests hull down on a conventional boat trailer setup equipped
with one roller and a set of pulpits aft, while the upper boat is
flipped over and rides on its deck on foam pipe insulation as a
buffer.

My dilemma: there is no space engineered on the trailer to carry the
sails and masts comfortably. The previous owner wrapped the two
lateen rigs and their masts in a canvas boat cover and lashed the
whole miserable lump to one side of the trailer. While this is
functional to a point, it requires unwrapping EVERYTHING just to get
to one set of sails. It is also cumbersome and time consuming,
especially with my limited repertoire of knots {grin}.

I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper
corners of the trailer rack (underneath the tubes the top boat rests
on) - one pipe for each sail/mast combination. In my mind, a threaded
cap on the aft end will make stowing and retrieval much less of a
frustration. My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail
against PVC during stowing and retrieval will cause some trouble I
don't want down the road. (For the record, I currently wrap the
mainsail around the boom, secure it with the sheet line, leaving the
mast free.) Any input on this particular idea would be greatly
appreciated.

ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats
topside down?

Fair winds,

Nolan Habegger
Houston, TX


Sunfish for sale - $0.00

Malcolm Dickinson
 

I received this unsolicited email.

Anyone who is interested in a used Sunfish located about 1 hour north of
NYC, drop this guy an email!

-----Original Message-----
From: JOESSOUP@... [mailto:JOESSOUP@...]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:59 PM
To: malcolm
Subject: Sunfish


Hi Malcolm I have an old sunfish that needs some work, the dager board and
tiller are missing. I am ready to GIVE this to whom ever needs or wants it
and can pick it up. It would make a great summer project for some lad. I
trust that you would know were to send this offer.
I live in Mahopac NY

Thank you for your time. Joe


Re: Digest Number 9

Malcolm Dickinson
 

The new board is smoother, more streamlined, and longer.

It makes a pretty big difference in boat speed.
(You won't feel like you're going faster - but if you are sailing alongside
another sunfish, whoever has the new board will sail by the one who
doesn't.)

It also allows you to point higher when you are beating, and makes you much
less likely to get stuck in irons when tacking in heavy winds.

Malcolm

-----Original Message-----
From: Whitney Majesky <whit85007@...>
Subject: Daggerboard


Can anyone tell me if there is an advantage to replacing my wood
daggerboard with one of those new fiberglass ones?



Whitney

AZ


Daggerboard

Whitney Majesky
 

Can anyone tell me if there is an advantage to replacing my wood daggerboard with one of those new fiberglass ones?



Whitney

AZ



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Loading a Sunfish Single Handed

Dan Bennett
 

Hi Keith,

Loading a Fish� single handed is next to impossible without doing damage to either the boat or the vehicle. Been there, done that. So far I have been fortunate enough to have a sailing partner and we assist one another loading and unloading.

Yakama and Thule have extension arms that stick out beyond the vehicle from one of the crossbars for loading kayaks. The concept is that you boost one end of the boat up onto the extension and then lift the other end up and slide the boat onto the rack.

Im thinking of trying a variation on the commercial rack design. So far Ive considered a pipe that runs diagonally from the far end of the rear crossbar to the near end of the front and then sticks out about 3� beyond. The difficulty is finding a pipe and attachments that will hold the weight. It may take a 2X4 instead of a pipe. If I try a 2X4 Im thinking that a pair of hinges with loose pins may work for attaching the aparatus. Once the boat is loaded, just pull the hinge pins and lash the loading board� on the crossbars along side the mast and spars.

Another loading idea Ive toyed with is a piece of carpeted plywood attached to the ends of the crossbars. The board would hang down one side of the vehicle a couple of feet and act as a ramp. Again the process is to lift one end of the boat up against the board and then go to the other and heft it up pushing the opposite end onto the crossbars in the process. With this idea I havent worked out just how the board is attached or where to put it when its not in use.

Anyway, there are some thoughts on the single handed loading problem. Ill post more on the subject if I get around to trials.

Dan











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Re: Roof Rack

Keith Judson
 

Dan,

I have used the Quick N Easy racks for years and they are terrific ( as well as relatively inexpensive). The only drawback is that they won't work on vehicles that don't have rain gutters. You can buy some that bolt through the top of your vehicle. I use mine for canoes.

I have tried to load my Sunfish (single-handed) on my Chevrolet SUV, but the Sunfish is too heavy for me to do it by myself. Does anyone have any suggestions for loading a Sunfish on top of a vehicle by yourself.

Keith J.
Reno, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: alcan_dan
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:46 AM
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Roof Rack


Hi Group

Here's a rugged yet simple roof rack I'd like to share.

I had been looking for a versitile roof rack for some time now. The
racks I found most often are the Yakima and Thule brands. These look
like fine racks and both have lots of really trick features and
accessories but that all comes at a price. What I really wanted was
rack that was a bit more in line with my modest budget.

What I have found is something called "Quik-N-Easy Brackets". These
brackets are the upright portion of a roof rack and you use them to
create your own custom rack. Quick-N-Easy offers a crossbar for the
uprights, but I'm told most people use 2x4's or a piece of plywood to
create their own design.

I put a photo (from an ad) in the file section of this group named
QnE.jpg for anyone who would like to see the rack.

I purchased a set of 4 uprights for about $60 (28.95/pr), added 2x4
crossbars for another $10 and some indoor/outdoor carpet scraps for
padding. The uprights I bought fit rain gutters and I'm not sure if
there is a model for gutterless vehicles.

The rack was easy to assemble. The lumber yard cut the 2x4 to my
measurments and I only needed a crescent wrench to install them using
four 3/8 carriage bolts, lock washers, and anti-vibration nuts.

In my searching I discovered that Quick-N-Easy brackets don't often
appear in catalogs or dealers where the other roof racks do. Where I
found my set was at a Kayak and Raft supplier.

My Sunfish sits solidly on the new rack - just what I was looking for.


Dan
AK




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Compass

Wayne Carney
 

Whitney,

Here are some basic compasses. These all mount on a flat surface. See if one
of these will suit your needs.
I understand that the Aquameter Sailor II has been used successfully on
Sunfish.


AIR GUIDE 1510020 West Marine $12.99
www.westmarine.com
Suunto 51-ORCA Defender Marine $39.29
www.defender.com
Aquameter Sailor II Wind Line Sails $45.00
www.windline.net
Ritchie Voyager Tactician Sailnet $59.95
www.sailnet.com


Enjoy your journey,

Wayne





Does anyone know of a compass that will fit a Sunfish and isn't too
expensive?

We are going to sail Lake Powell for a week and I'm told a compass is a
good
thing to have along.
I think I'd like to put one on the deck in front of the foot well. Anyone
have
any suggestions?

Whitney


Compass

whitney
 

Hi all,

Does anyone know of a compass that will fit a Sunfish and isn't too expensive?

We are going to sail Lake Powell for a week and I'm told a compass is a good thing to have along.

I think I'd like to put one on the deck in front of the foot well. Anyone have any suggestions?


Whitney

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Roof Rack

alcan_dan
 

Hi Group

Here's a rugged yet simple roof rack I'd like to share.

I had been looking for a versitile roof rack for some time now. The
racks I found most often are the Yakima and Thule brands. These look
like fine racks and both have lots of really trick features and
accessories but that all comes at a price. What I really wanted was
rack that was a bit more in line with my modest budget.

What I have found is something called "Quik-N-Easy Brackets". These
brackets are the upright portion of a roof rack and you use them to
create your own custom rack. Quick-N-Easy offers a crossbar for the
uprights, but I'm told most people use 2x4's or a piece of plywood to
create their own design.

I put a photo (from an ad) in the file section of this group named
QnE.jpg for anyone who would like to see the rack.

I purchased a set of 4 uprights for about $60 (28.95/pr), added 2x4
crossbars for another $10 and some indoor/outdoor carpet scraps for
padding. The uprights I bought fit rain gutters and I'm not sure if
there is a model for gutterless vehicles.

The rack was easy to assemble. The lumber yard cut the 2x4 to my
measurments and I only needed a crescent wrench to install them using
four 3/8 carriage bolts, lock washers, and anti-vibration nuts.

In my searching I discovered that Quick-N-Easy brackets don't often
appear in catalogs or dealers where the other roof racks do. Where I
found my set was at a Kayak and Raft supplier.

My Sunfish sits solidly on the new rack - just what I was looking for.


Dan
AK


looking for sunfish...

 

in the chesapeake bay area.

thanks
norm


Right-of-Way

Wayne Carney
 

Here's a fun way to learn an important sailing rule.


Right-of-Way




Thanks to the Arizona Yacht Club for sharing this link.