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Re: A couple concerns about repairs.
Wayne Carney
Hi Nolan,
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-----Original Message----- I now have 3 long and deep grooves in the gelcoat on the ridge that .... What are some indicators that repair is necessary for quality Since you say the grooves are deep and you have glass cloth exposed I'd say you should repair the damage. Eventually water will get into the cloth and promote delamination, so fixing the exposed areas is crucial. You can gelcoat the damaged area or use one of the epoxy "system" repair kits that's available. You might be able to get away with using fairing compound where only the gelcoat is grooved. Whatever you do, the chips where glass is exposed should be repaired with a polyester resin / milled glass fiber mix or marine epoxy. Marine epoxy is less dense and less brittle than fiberglass resin, it's preferred by nearly all the boat builders and repair shops I know, but it's also more expensive. The choice is yours. Once the chips are filled you can dremel out an overlapping 1/32" deep dimple over the repair area and fill it with colored gelcoat or epoxy to match the hull if looks are important. The daggerboard trunk of a Sunfish is notorious for developing leaks. This is probably due to grounding the daggerboard and stressing the trunk sleeve/hull interface. If you have chips broken out in this area I recommend fixing them immediately. I have scraped out the seam of every "fish" I've owned and back-filled and smoothed it. The factory seam leaves a step that is susceptible to edge chipping and subsequent water invasion. I build up a taper that eliminates the right angle step. Another thing you might consider once your repairs are complete is to line the leading and trailing edge of the trunk with indoor/outdoor carpet. I use strips of rubber (not foam rubber) fused carpet type door mat attached with contact cement. This cushions the trunk from occasional thumps that ding both the board and trunk and, if you get the thickness just right, gives the daggreboard just enough friction to stay where you put it when you adjust it for running before the wind or beaching. I mark my board so I know just where it is too. A word of caution. If you own one of the over priced (but not over rated) "racing" daggerboards, don't make the trunk lining too snug. There has been a case of someone pushing down on the board with their hand curled in the "handle" [where else would you put it]. When the board dropped into place the momentum sheered off the cheesy, hollow, cheap ass stops and the sailor's hand was injured. [stepping down off the soap box] Also, one of the masts has what sounds like about a cup of water inMast and spars have end caps which can be removed. The caps are held on with roll pins or pop-rivets depending on model year and previous disassembly. Either way the caps can be removed so the water can be drained. If you are unfamiliar with these methods of attachment contact me and I can walk you through removal. I have sealed the mast and spars on all the Sun and Sailfish I have owned. Wayne |
A couple concerns about repairs.
habeggernd
For the last 3 weeks I've been sailing the stuffing out of my 2
recently acquired 'Fish. Yesterday evening I was out in 10-17 mph and had lots of fun chasing a friend of mine around Lake Houston. On final approach to the boat ramp, I miscalculated the wind. When I pulled up my daggerboard, a shifting gust blew me right into the concrete slope that makes up the ramp. I now have 3 long and deep grooves in the gelcoat on the ridge that runs the length of the hull, and a couple "chips" (could just be gelcoat, as the fiber is visible but doesn't appear compromised) around the daggerboard hole. The chips could have occurred last weekend when the same boat got hung up over some submerged pilings in Galveston Bay. This particular boat has had past evidence of a leak (less than a US pint of water inside the front hull after 3 hours of sailing). Sunfish have a reputation for being tough, but reality tells me that they are not indestructible in the strictest sense of the word. I don't want to be obsessive about dings and scratches, but I DO want to preserve the integrity of the boat. What are some indicators that repair is necessary for quality purposes rather than aesthetics? Also, one of the masts has what sounds like about a cup of water in it. How do I get that out and keep it out? Thanks in advance for all the help. Fair winds and following seas, Nolan Habegger Houston, TX |
Re: Digest Number 14
wind_lass1
This sounds like a good book to have around (no pun intended).
Thanks for the review, Whit --- In sunfish_sailor@y..., "Malcolm Dickinson" <malcolm@a...> wrote: are nowHi Malcolm,Whitney, out of print, so Will White got all the copyright holders to agreeto have their books published together as one book.interested in getting better at Sunfish racing, but will be interesting readingfor anyone who's a fan of the boat. |
Re: Digest Number 14
Malcolm Dickinson
Hi Malcolm,Whitney, The bible is a reprint of three wonderful sunfish books. All three are now out of print, so Will White got all the copyright holders to agree to have their books published together as one book. Two of the books are about racing, and one is about both racing and cruising. For the most part they are aimed at someone who's interested in getting better at Sunfish racing, but will be interesting reading for anyone who's a fan of the boat. Full information is at best, Malcolm |
Re: Sunfish Bible
bishop2398
What is the Sunfish Bible ?It's three books combined under one cover, plus a collection of magazine articles. It covers trailering, rigging, racing, goofing off, maintenance...you name it. They were out of print for about a year, and quite hard to find (people were asking - and getting - north of 80 bucks for a copy). |
Re: Sunfish Bible
wind_lass1
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What is the Sunfish Bible ? Whitney --- In sunfish_sailor "Malcolm Dickinson" wrote:
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Sunfish Bible
Malcolm Dickinson
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From: Sunfish Sailboat Racing - East & Gulf Coasts [mailto:SUNFISH@...] ----------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:51:56 -0400 From: Mindy Strauley <mskatz@...> Subject: Sunfish Bible now in stock Tackle Shack, located in Pinellas Park, Fl now has the Sunfish Bible in = stock. Call 1-800-537-6099 and ask for Andy or Paul if interested. Thanks Mindy -- |
Re: PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?
Malcolm Dickinson
From: "habeggernd" <habeggernd@...>Do they have the metal rub rail around the gunwale, or a molded fiberglass lip? If they have the lip, and they are actually from the period 1988-1992, then you may have trouble with them. If they've got the metal rub rail, then they should be good boats! I have one racing sail and one stock sailIf the racing sail dates from that same period, then it's not the same "racing sail" that's being sold today. You may want to hunt around on the Sunfish listserve for a used (1 or 2 seasons) racing sail or two. the boats are bothYou'll want to get rid of those old wire travellers and replace them with the new one - which has no center loop. the bottomThe configuration is fine. Unless you want to build a steel frame to hold the upper boat (which would be better in the long run, but time consuming), this should work well. However, the foam pipe insulation sounds like trouble to me. You'll want to construct a pair of wooden "spacers" to fit between the boat. The front one should have a protuberance will fit into the mast step holes of both boats. The back one should rest on the broad flat deck area just aft of the cockpit. Make both of them out of plywood with a 2x4 spacer in between. Scribe the plywood to the shape of the deck. Cover in carpeting. Extend the 2x4 out to the side so that you can tie the spars onto the spacers! My dilemma: there is no space engineered on the trailer to carry theThis is a bad system because it destroys the sail. I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upperYes, this is a great idea. Have a look at how Bruce Cattanach did it. He was kind enough to make a very detailed web site illustrating his trailer project. In my mind, a threaded cap on the aft endNo, you want something that is nice and open so that as much wind as possible will get in the back. A closed tube is a recipe for mildew. On my tube I made a "gate" or "grate" by cutting up a piece of scrap wire shelving (the "Closet Maid" shelving sold by the foot at Home Depot.) I drilled two 1/2" holes in the pipe at the back and cut the wire mesh just a bit too big. It slides into one hole, then into the other, and stays securely. I need to take a picture and post it on the web... On my trailer I use an 8" tube which holds (believe it or not) 2 spars with sails, 2 masts, and once when necessary, a third set of bare spars!! My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sailI have always used a sailbag inside my tube. However I know Laser sailors who store their sails in PVC tubes (which remain permanently strapped to the roof rack of their SUV, since their tubes are so much shorter than ours) and they don't have any problem. Then again, they don't have metal spars bumping around in there. (For the record, I currently wrap theActually, you do NOT want to wrap the sail around the boom. When you're done sailing, leave the mast in the gooseneck and lay the sail out on the port side of the boat. Place the two spars right up against each other. Then genty roll the sail towards the spars. You want the window to end up on the inside of the roll, so that it cannot be contacted by the spars during storage. ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boatsNo. Though I am worried that the support between your two boats isn't sufficient. The one problem I heard about with trailering boats in this "clamshell" style was a family who made their spacers out of foam. The foam kind of collapsed and one boat started to work its way off to the side. That's why I recommend wood covered in carpet. Good luck, Malcolm Dickinson 52943 |
Re: PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?
Wayne Carney
Hello Nolan,
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Welcome. . . . -----Original Message----- I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail against PVC . . .In my experience the PVC pipe idea works great. I transported a Hobie Cat mast and sails in a 12" pipe for several years. The sail was in a bag, but the sail bag was stuffed into the tube along with the mast and traveled just fine. The worst consequence I can think of is that the aluminum spars may rub some black marks onto the sail. If you are worried about hardware snagging the sail you might consider placing the spars and mast into a bag first. I made a bag for my Sunfish mast/spars out of inexpensive (un-coated) ripstop by sewing a basic bag and then running a stitch up the middle. The sail wrapped spars go in one pocket and the mast in the other. The bag makes it easier to carry the mast and spars down to the water's edge also. Remember to put a small vent hole in the bottom of your pipe or cap. If you are like me you will get a line wet just before you pack up. The condensation inside the tube will promote mildew on your sail and lines. You'll need the world's largest bottle brush to clean the tubes if you get mold growing in there. You might consider a screw cap at both ends. I recommend tethering your screw-on caps to the tube too. It just struck me that you will also have the world's largest double barreled potato cannon [ maybe that would be a watermelon cannon ]. Anyway, you would sure have a tool for clearing out the PWC's before you launch. 8^) ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats topsidedown? Actually, the racing crowd recommends transporting this way. The bottom of the boat is subject to fatigue. When the bottom goes "soft" the boat is not considered competitive any longer for world class competition. As for the rest of us. . . . it has been my observation that most small boat trailers are designed for motor boats. They use rollers and/or pedestals to support the hull. The problem with this arrangement is that the hull of a motorboat is considerably thicker than that of small sailboats. These supports focus the force of road bumps on small areas of the hull causing fatigue spots, dimples and possibly breakage. To get the maximum life out of your hull for racing OR recreation the inverted method is by far the superior choice. Another hull friendly method is the full-length bunk method. I use this arrangement because I often sail solo and it can be easily loaded single handed. My layout consists of carpeted and padded 2" X 4" bunks that cover a sizeable portion of the hull supporting the bulk of the weight at the chine. I have two more center bunks that just provide minimal support at the center - they are about 2" apart and run nearly the length of the hull. The center bunks also act as support at the bow creating a three point system. I have heard of another system where the boat is suspended in a couple of slings or a hammock arrangement. I have not seen nor have I heard how successful this method is. I will post photos of my bunk arrangement if anyone is interested. You can find some examples of other trailering arrangements and ideas at the following web site: In case you haven't found it yet, there is a class association for Sunfish. The web site is full of good information on all sorts of stuff. Here's the address just in case you are interested: Also, here's the address of the East Coast Sunfish group email "list server". Some of the world's best Sunfish sailors are members of this email list. They don't limit their advice to just racing though, so you can get some good answers to your questions here as well. Lastly, are you aware that there is a Sunfish group in Texas? Murphy's Law says it's gonna be across the state from where ever you are, but here's their web address as well. Good Sailing, Wayne Carney CO |
PVC Pipe and Sail Wear?
habeggernd
As a newbie to the list, allow me to introduce myself along with a
relatively simple question. I'm a rookie Sunfish owner living in Houston, TX. I recently acquired two 1980s vintage fish in excellent condition. As a father of four and an avid Sunfish sailor in my youth (ages 12-19) I am ecstatic. I have one racing sail and one stock sail, and the boats are both rigged for racing as near as I can tell (wire traveller with a center loop, mainssheet cam cleats center deck, racing flag interpretation decal, etc.). The boats are trailered in a "bunk bed" configuration: the bottom boat rests hull down on a conventional boat trailer setup equipped with one roller and a set of pulpits aft, while the upper boat is flipped over and rides on its deck on foam pipe insulation as a buffer. My dilemma: there is no space engineered on the trailer to carry the sails and masts comfortably. The previous owner wrapped the two lateen rigs and their masts in a canvas boat cover and lashed the whole miserable lump to one side of the trailer. While this is functional to a point, it requires unwrapping EVERYTHING just to get to one set of sails. It is also cumbersome and time consuming, especially with my limited repertoire of knots {grin}. I'm thinking of installing two PVC pipes, one in each of the upper corners of the trailer rack (underneath the tubes the top boat rests on) - one pipe for each sail/mast combination. In my mind, a threaded cap on the aft end will make stowing and retrieval much less of a frustration. My only worry is that the repetitive friction of sail against PVC during stowing and retrieval will cause some trouble I don't want down the road. (For the record, I currently wrap the mainsail around the boom, secure it with the sheet line, leaving the mast free.) Any input on this particular idea would be greatly appreciated. ALSO, any problems/liabilities to storing and transporting boats topside down? Fair winds, Nolan Habegger Houston, TX |
Sunfish for sale - $0.00
Malcolm Dickinson
I received this unsolicited email.
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Anyone who is interested in a used Sunfish located about 1 hour north of NYC, drop this guy an email! -----Original Message-----
From: JOESSOUP@... [mailto:JOESSOUP@...] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:59 PM To: malcolm Subject: Sunfish Hi Malcolm I have an old sunfish that needs some work, the dager board and tiller are missing. I am ready to GIVE this to whom ever needs or wants it and can pick it up. It would make a great summer project for some lad. I trust that you would know were to send this offer. I live in Mahopac NY Thank you for your time. Joe |
Re: Digest Number 9
Malcolm Dickinson
The new board is smoother, more streamlined, and longer.
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It makes a pretty big difference in boat speed. (You won't feel like you're going faster - but if you are sailing alongside another sunfish, whoever has the new board will sail by the one who doesn't.) It also allows you to point higher when you are beating, and makes you much less likely to get stuck in irons when tacking in heavy winds. Malcolm -----Original Message----- |
Loading a Sunfish Single Handed
Dan Bennett
Hi Keith,
Loading a Fish� single handed is next to impossible without doing damage to either the boat or the vehicle. Been there, done that. So far I have been fortunate enough to have a sailing partner and we assist one another loading and unloading. Yakama and Thule have extension arms that stick out beyond the vehicle from one of the crossbars for loading kayaks. The concept is that you boost one end of the boat up onto the extension and then lift the other end up and slide the boat onto the rack. Im thinking of trying a variation on the commercial rack design. So far Ive considered a pipe that runs diagonally from the far end of the rear crossbar to the near end of the front and then sticks out about 3� beyond. The difficulty is finding a pipe and attachments that will hold the weight. It may take a 2X4 instead of a pipe. If I try a 2X4 Im thinking that a pair of hinges with loose pins may work for attaching the aparatus. Once the boat is loaded, just pull the hinge pins and lash the loading board� on the crossbars along side the mast and spars. Another loading idea Ive toyed with is a piece of carpeted plywood attached to the ends of the crossbars. The board would hang down one side of the vehicle a couple of feet and act as a ramp. Again the process is to lift one end of the boat up against the board and then go to the other and heft it up pushing the opposite end onto the crossbars in the process. With this idea I havent worked out just how the board is attached or where to put it when its not in use. Anyway, there are some thoughts on the single handed loading problem. Ill post more on the subject if I get around to trials. Dan --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax |
Re: Roof Rack
Keith Judson
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I have used the Quick N Easy racks for years and they are terrific ( as well as relatively inexpensive). The only drawback is that they won't work on vehicles that don't have rain gutters. You can buy some that bolt through the top of your vehicle. I use mine for canoes. I have tried to load my Sunfish (single-handed) on my Chevrolet SUV, but the Sunfish is too heavy for me to do it by myself. Does anyone have any suggestions for loading a Sunfish on top of a vehicle by yourself. Keith J. Reno, NV ----- Original Message -----
From: alcan_dan To: sunfish_sailor@... Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Roof Rack Hi Group Here's a rugged yet simple roof rack I'd like to share. I had been looking for a versitile roof rack for some time now. The racks I found most often are the Yakima and Thule brands. These look like fine racks and both have lots of really trick features and accessories but that all comes at a price. What I really wanted was rack that was a bit more in line with my modest budget. What I have found is something called "Quik-N-Easy Brackets". These brackets are the upright portion of a roof rack and you use them to create your own custom rack. Quick-N-Easy offers a crossbar for the uprights, but I'm told most people use 2x4's or a piece of plywood to create their own design. I put a photo (from an ad) in the file section of this group named QnE.jpg for anyone who would like to see the rack. I purchased a set of 4 uprights for about $60 (28.95/pr), added 2x4 crossbars for another $10 and some indoor/outdoor carpet scraps for padding. The uprights I bought fit rain gutters and I'm not sure if there is a model for gutterless vehicles. The rack was easy to assemble. The lumber yard cut the 2x4 to my measurments and I only needed a crescent wrench to install them using four 3/8 carriage bolts, lock washers, and anti-vibration nuts. In my searching I discovered that Quick-N-Easy brackets don't often appear in catalogs or dealers where the other roof racks do. Where I found my set was at a Kayak and Raft supplier. My Sunfish sits solidly on the new rack - just what I was looking for. Dan AK Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: sunfish_sailor-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
Compass
Wayne Carney
Whitney,
Here are some basic compasses. These all mount on a flat surface. See if one of these will suit your needs. I understand that the Aquameter Sailor II has been used successfully on Sunfish. AIR GUIDE 1510020 West Marine $12.99 www.westmarine.com Suunto 51-ORCA Defender Marine $39.29 www.defender.com Aquameter Sailor II Wind Line Sails $45.00 www.windline.net Ritchie Voyager Tactician Sailnet $59.95 www.sailnet.com Enjoy your journey, Wayne Does anyone know of a compass that will fit a Sunfish and isn't tooexpensive? We are going to sail Lake Powell for a week and I'm told a compass is agood thing to have along. I think I'd like to put one on the deck in front of the foot well. Anyonehave any suggestions? Whitney |
Compass
whitney
Hi all,
Does anyone know of a compass that will fit a Sunfish and isn't too expensive? We are going to sail Lake Powell for a week and I'm told a compass is a good thing to have along. I think I'd like to put one on the deck in front of the foot well. Anyone have any suggestions? Whitney Get your free email address at *** Worldemail.com DO NOT tolerate *spam* of any kind if this email is a *spam* please forward it to abuse@... *** |
Roof Rack
alcan_dan
Hi Group
Here's a rugged yet simple roof rack I'd like to share. I had been looking for a versitile roof rack for some time now. The racks I found most often are the Yakima and Thule brands. These look like fine racks and both have lots of really trick features and accessories but that all comes at a price. What I really wanted was rack that was a bit more in line with my modest budget. What I have found is something called "Quik-N-Easy Brackets". These brackets are the upright portion of a roof rack and you use them to create your own custom rack. Quick-N-Easy offers a crossbar for the uprights, but I'm told most people use 2x4's or a piece of plywood to create their own design. I put a photo (from an ad) in the file section of this group named QnE.jpg for anyone who would like to see the rack. I purchased a set of 4 uprights for about $60 (28.95/pr), added 2x4 crossbars for another $10 and some indoor/outdoor carpet scraps for padding. The uprights I bought fit rain gutters and I'm not sure if there is a model for gutterless vehicles. The rack was easy to assemble. The lumber yard cut the 2x4 to my measurments and I only needed a crescent wrench to install them using four 3/8 carriage bolts, lock washers, and anti-vibration nuts. In my searching I discovered that Quick-N-Easy brackets don't often appear in catalogs or dealers where the other roof racks do. Where I found my set was at a Kayak and Raft supplier. My Sunfish sits solidly on the new rack - just what I was looking for. Dan AK |
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