I replaced the oil pump (OEM) and squirted some assembly lube and rotated it a bit, replaced the oil pump/crank seal, replaced the water pump, thermostat (OEM), all idler pulleys (Aisin), timing belt (Mitsuboshi), replaced the cam seals and adjusted the valves. Replaced the rear main seal (OEM), and oil separator plate (replaced the aluminum one with the Subaru steel plate).?
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The guy I used for my heads felt more or less the same way, but I went new for peace of mind. He said the cam is good, better than the dohc that do need replacing more often and he said the same about bearings. ?
Any thought on switching to the 11mm oil pump? I read it’s better at high rpm but can cause frothing at excessive low rpm. In the van these motors tend to be revving higher than in the Subaru most times. My thoughts anyway?
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 8:42?AM todd s via groups.io <tsorel1600@...> wrote:
I would inspect the condition of the bearing journals before spending the money on a full short block. I have pulled a number of 150,000 mile-plus engines down and have almost never found problems with main or rod bearings, let alone problems with the entire case. Also check ring gap and if there is bore taper or ridges but, again, that sort of wear is rare unless the engine has been ran low (or without) oil. I think freshening up the heads and gaskets like you have done and checking the wear on the oil pump is typically sufficient to allow for continued long service life.
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I would inspect the condition of the bearing journals before spending the money on a full short block. I have pulled a number of 150,000 mile-plus engines down and have almost never found problems with main or rod bearings, let alone problems with the entire case. Also check ring gap and if there is bore taper or ridges but, again, that sort of wear is rare unless the engine has been ran low (or without) oil. I think freshening up the heads and gaskets like you have done and checking the wear on the oil pump is typically sufficient to allow for continued long service life.
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I’d also remove the oil pump clean it replace the seals and prime it with assembly lube?
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 8:44?PM SubieVanagon via groups.io <wklail@...> wrote:
I took it down this far. ?
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I took it down this far. ?
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The short block is available through subarupartsdeal.com I think for right at $2K.
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Got it on the stand and the party was about to begin!
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I know what you mean about the intake, why are they so dirty? I think mine had 220kms on it or so and likely never had a new PCV so my guess was it was just purging oil into the intake at high revs? the injectors are an easy one to tick off, send to Mr Injector,
he has a three day turnaround and sends you a sheet on what they were and what they are now and is like 22 bucks per and they come back looking brand new. Worth it IMHO.
Just so you budget accordingly the short block was just over 3k and seems to be NLA in canada so likely soon also in the US.?
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Thanks for the input and suggestions! ?I did not split the case. I found it pretty easy to get it down to the short block, so if I ever need to replace it I’ll order a short block from Subaru for about $2K I think, then put it all back together. I tested
the cam and crank sensors and they passed. ?I replaced the temp, oil, and knock sensors with OEM. ?Basic machining of the heads and installed with new head bolts (OEM) and MLS head gaskets. ?(Finding the correct torque specs was a challenge as they seem to
keep changing). I didn’t clean the fuel injectors and I might live to regret that decision. ?I cleaned the bejesus out of the intake manifold and throttle body and thoroughly cleaned all components related. ?Replaced those short pieces of fuel injection line
with new stuff. ?
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Here’s where I started back in October. ?Pulled the Legacy to my garage door and pulled the engine. It was filthy. ?It had oil leaks all over. ?
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Thanks for the input and suggestions! ?I did not split the case. I found it pretty easy to get it down to the short block, so if I ever need to replace it I’ll order a short block from Subaru for about $2K I think, then put it all back together. I tested the cam and crank sensors and they passed. ?I replaced the temp, oil, and knock sensors with OEM. ?Basic machining of the heads and installed with new head bolts (OEM) and MLS head gaskets. ?(Finding the correct torque specs was a challenge as they seem to keep changing). I didn’t clean the fuel injectors and I might live to regret that decision. ?I cleaned the bejesus out of the intake manifold and throttle body and thoroughly cleaned all components related. ?Replaced those short pieces of fuel injection line with new stuff. ?
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Sorry the other items to consider are the oil pressure sender as it’s a known failure piece and the cheapest of all the sensors, check the wiring on the cam sensor as it tends to crack, have the injectors gone through by someone with a proper bench for such things, test the knock sensor (super simple) same with temp sensor if you’re using the subie one, clean out the entire intake and throttle body until it shines, replace pcv and its hoses as they crack. Replace plug wires obviously. I just think there is no way I’d leave that old stuff on and then install it in the van where all of the sensors etc are a real bear to get at and remove.?
MLS head gaskets for sure as well as new head bolts(although most keep the old stretched ones and don’t seem to suffer)?
That’s all I did on my 2002 sohc. For what it’s worth I guess.?
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 6:18?PM John <xstreamcanadian@...> wrote:
Did you split the block or get a new short block? I picked up a 2002 sohc and went with a new short block. I figured no point in putting a tired old engine in a tired old van. But that’s just me. I had the exhaust valves changed as well and the intakes re ground, heads decked and triple valve grind done also new springs.?
I’d be tentative to put a block with high kms in my van given the amount of work it takes.? On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 5:40?PM SubieVanagon via groups.io <wklail@...> wrote:
Greetings fellow Subie converts. Back in the fall I purchased a 2003 Legacy 2.5 SOHC. The vehicle had 164,000 miles. Ran great, no smoke, and I drove it home. I’ve spent the past couple of months doing an engine refresh (heads machined, new head gaskets, etc.) I’m about to finish up with the engine (hopefully) and anticipate needing to call upon this list’s wisdom as I prepare to put it in my 89 Westy MT. I plan to post my progress in text and photos in case someone might find it useful. I’m also sharing info on thesamba.com as that is a great resource as well.?
Warren?
‘89 Westy
(which I just drove to Buses by the Bridge)
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Did you split the block or get a new short block? I picked up a 2002 sohc and went with a new short block. I figured no point in putting a tired old engine in a tired old van. But that’s just me. I had the exhaust valves changed as well and the intakes re ground, heads decked and triple valve grind done also new springs.?
I’d be tentative to put a block with high kms in my van given the amount of work it takes.?
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 5:40?PM SubieVanagon via groups.io <wklail@...> wrote:
Greetings fellow Subie converts. Back in the fall I purchased a 2003 Legacy 2.5 SOHC. The vehicle had 164,000 miles. Ran great, no smoke, and I drove it home. I’ve spent the past couple of months doing an engine refresh (heads machined, new head gaskets, etc.) I’m about to finish up with the engine (hopefully) and anticipate needing to call upon this list’s wisdom as I prepare to put it in my 89 Westy MT. I plan to post my progress in text and photos in case someone might find it useful. I’m also sharing info on thesamba.com as that is a great resource as well.?
Warren?
‘89 Westy
(which I just drove to Buses by the Bridge)
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Greetings fellow Subie converts. Back in the fall I purchased a 2003 Legacy 2.5 SOHC. The vehicle had 164,000 miles. Ran great, no smoke, and I drove it home. I’ve spent the past couple of months doing an engine refresh (heads machined, new head gaskets, etc.) I’m about to finish up with the engine (hopefully) and anticipate needing to call upon this list’s wisdom as I prepare to put it in my 89 Westy MT. I plan to post my progress in text and photos in case someone might find it useful. I’m also sharing info on thesamba.com as that is a great resource as well.?
Warren?
‘89 Westy
(which I just drove to Buses by the Bridge)
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Love??a successes story! ? Tc
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On Jan 23, 2025, at 2:24?PM, RICHARD KOERNER via groups.io <rjkinpb@...> wrote:
? Followup for you guys:
Even though Dashboard is not perfectly rebuilt, it is sufficient for
now.? So back to the motor to undo spark plugs, squirt oil fog in, turn
motor to gently build oil pressure, then install spark plugs again. (My only advice---find a suitable piece of very flexible rubber hose to attach to end of provided stiff plastic pipe on Oil Fogger spray can, about a foot long, will make the job so much easier.)
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all worked!? Like I had planned it.? Oil warning light was on for 4
seconds while pressure built, then shut off.? After final installation of plugs,
cranked motor; it fired up in 1 second.? Idled smoothly and nicely;
bunch of anxiety instantly eliminated.? Drove to Costco to fill gas tank; also inflated tires to correct pressure; I'm on my way!!!
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Starting EJ22 motor after 13 months
Followup for you guys:
Even though Dashboard is not perfectly rebuilt, it is sufficient for
now.? So back to the motor to undo spark plugs, squirt oil fog in, turn
motor to gently build oil pressure, then install spark plugs again. (My only advice---find a suitable piece of very flexible rubber hose to attach to end of provided stiff plastic pipe on Oil Fogger spray can, about a foot long, will make the job so much easier.)
It
all worked!? Like I had planned it.? Oil warning light was on for 4
seconds while pressure built, then shut off.? After final installation of plugs,
cranked motor; it fired up in 1 second.? Idled smoothly and nicely;
bunch of anxiety instantly eliminated.? Drove to Costco to fill gas tank; also inflated tires to correct pressure; I'm on my way!!!
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Re: Closest vendor to Phoenix
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Re: Closest vendor to Phoenix
what is "paso" Andy Vanis USA and Whatsapp +1(505) 304-5306
Rigo-built garage is a wonderful subaru shop on the East side of paso.? ?They rebuilt and transplanted an ej22 into my '81 campmobile and also? helped out on other power train repairs that other shops screwed up.
They're on the east side of town.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 8:58?AM SEAN GARRETT via <doit.outdoors= [email protected]> wrote: I have given up on finding someone to repair my 87 Syncro, 2000 Impreza 2.5 SOHC in Phoenix. I just recently ( june last yr) blew a valve and it is deemed a lean condition. I have not had a -timely repair. Symptoms still persist of bogging under load/acceleration.? Fuel pressure seems fine. Almost every component has been tested and replaced. No codes.
Small car originally did my harness and they say they can fix my van if i ship it to them ( its 1100 to ship, then I would have to fly up to get it).?
I guess Im looking for a less expensive solution or ill be selling my van which I hate to do.? Im dine troubleshooting locally.? I have considered having a locsl shop work with small car over the phone to try and use their knowledge combined. But my local conversation guy in Phx wont do that.
Looking for suggestions on vendor shops I could ship to or other creative ideas !
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Eric Freudenthal Ph.D. (he/his/him/himself) Spouse, dad, friend < eric@...> It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.? George Washington, 1790
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Rigo-built garage is a wonderful subaru shop on the East side of paso.? ?They rebuilt and transplanted an ej22 into my '81 campmobile and also? helped out on other power train repairs that other shops screwed up.
They're on the east side of town. On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 8:58?AM SEAN GARRETT via <doit.outdoors= [email protected]> wrote: I have given up on finding someone to repair my 87 Syncro, 2000 Impreza 2.5 SOHC in Phoenix. I just recently ( june last yr) blew a valve and it is deemed a lean condition. I have not had a -timely repair. Symptoms still persist of bogging under load/acceleration.? Fuel pressure seems fine. Almost every component has been tested and replaced. No codes.
Small car originally did my harness and they say they can fix my van if i ship it to them ( its 1100 to ship, then I would have to fly up to get it).?
I guess Im looking for a less expensive solution or ill be selling my van which I hate to do.? Im dine troubleshooting locally.? I have considered having a locsl shop work with small car over the phone to try and use their knowledge combined. But my local conversation guy in Phx wont do that.
Looking for suggestions on vendor shops I could ship to or other creative ideas !
-- Eric Freudenthal Ph.D. (he/his/him/himself) Spouse, dad, friend < eric@...> It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.? George Washington, 1790
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