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Re: Crank Pulley Torque

 

Unless you're the incredible hulk using a 2 foot breaker bar - I wouldn't sweat it. The Subaru torque spec is around 100ftlbs (I believe) which is tighter than your lug / wheel nuts.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Matt" <mattsewalson@...> wrote:

So here's the deal. I got my motor and getting ready to do the timing belt, idlers, water pump and etc. While removing the crank pulley bolt I had a huge brain fart and gave it a few 1/4 turns the wrong way. Once I figured out I was being a dumb a$$ and started to turn the wrench he right way it came out with no problems. At no point did it feel like I stripped anything out and the threads on the crank pulley bolt look fine. I'm just a little concerned about the crank shaft and if this could have caused any major damage.

Sorry for not giving more info in my first post but I was in a hurry this morning.

Thanks,
Matt

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Matt" <mattsewalson@> wrote:

Can one over tighten the crank pulley bolt and if so what's the worst case scenario?

Matt


Re: First timer - RMW Kit and EJ22

 

I'm preparing to do my EJ22 conversion right now. Plan is to use RMW kit as well but going to have them do the wiring harness. I'm really interested in how smooth the conversion goes and feed back on their kit.

Matt

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "iwalklongtime" <sensical@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

I've heard about this group for a few years, but only just up and joined as a swap is imminent!

I've gone ahead and got the RMW kit as it seems really complete and pretty well made - I've dealt with them on some other stuff and met some people that had swaps done there as well and all good things to say...

Located a Motor, ECU and harness locally [Portland, OR] out of a 99 Legacy. (Not a donor car, I'm just getting these parts) I understand this is a phase 2 motor - anyone have any experience with one of these good bad or otherwise?

Am I missing anything major here? Seems like it's going to be reasonably straightforward. [Famous last words]

Cheers all!


Re: Crank Pulley Torque

 

So here's the deal. I got my motor and getting ready to do the timing belt, idlers, water pump and etc. While removing the crank pulley bolt I had a huge brain fart and gave it a few 1/4 turns the wrong way. Once I figured out I was being a dumb a$$ and started to turn the wrench he right way it came out with no problems. At no point did it feel like I stripped anything out and the threads on the crank pulley bolt look fine. I'm just a little concerned about the crank shaft and if this could have caused any major damage.

Sorry for not giving more info in my first post but I was in a hurry this morning.

Thanks,
Matt

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Matt" <mattsewalson@...> wrote:

Can one over tighten the crank pulley bolt and if so what's the worst case scenario?

Matt


Re: where should i buy my used engine in the Denver Area

 

With good heads, what about a factory rebuilt short block and bolt up your heads, etc? Haven't priced these in some time, but ran about $1800-2K last I checked.

Connor


Re: muffler for KEP exhaust with standard cat

 

Remember that you can always remount the vanagon mustache (engine
support) bar to accomodate a lower mounting point for the heat shield.
I have installed a smallcar carrier (using the mustache bar) and run
a kep header so i do know they will work together.
If you're going to reuse the stock vanagon heat shield you'll have to
do a bit of bending and a bit of cutting. I typically cut out a part
of the right hand side (as viewed from back of van) to give clearance
to the lower coolant line going to/from the subaru thermostat. If you
use Tom's exhaust flange I don't believe you'll need to cut anything
off the heat shield but it's been awhile so i may be wrong.
Brent


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Re: Crank Pulley Torque

 

Sure you can overtorque anything. Worst case scenario is that the
bolt snaps but not all the way off. The mechanic is not aware that
the bolt is snapped. The driver operates the vehicle and during that
operation the bolt dislodges and the crank pulley weasels its way off,
taking a chunk of the timing belt cover with it. The alternator,
power steering, and a/c belts fly asunder.
The vehicle will continue to run on the power of the battery alone but
will conk out before long. It'll be hard to steer and the a/c wont
work.
The crank bolt will have to be extracted and the pulley replaced (if
you can find it).

If you suspect the crank bolt is overtorqued, i'd suggest removal and
inspection. Even replacement depending on how much it was
overtorqued.

Brent


On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Matt <mattsewalson@...> wrote:
Can one over tighten the crank pulley bolt and if so what's the worst case scenario?

Matt



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Re: Crank Pulley Torque

 

Hi Matt,
Yes, you can over torque any bolt/stud.
This will usually result in one or more of the following consequences:
a) Nothing happens if only over torques slightly.
b) You strip the threads on either the bolt or the hole.
c) The bolt/stud stretches and possibly breaks.

Tom
Burlington ON

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Matt" <mattsewalson@...> wrote:

Can one over tighten the crank pulley bolt and if so what's the worst case scenario?

Matt


Crank Pulley Torque

 

Can one over tighten the crank pulley bolt and if so what's the worst case scenario?

Matt


Re: First timer - RMW Kit and EJ22

 

I'm just getting finished up on my install of a '99 Phase II EJ25 out of an Impreza 2.5RS, with mostly RMW hardware (adapter, exhaust, coolant mount, etc). Fired it up for the first time last weekend! Got a few bugs, but went well for the most part. As I'm sure everyone will tell you, the wiring harness is the biggest PITA. But its doable. If you are not patient or not very experienced doing this kind of work, its worth it to have an expert do the harness. I'm over in the V-Couv, so if you want to take a look at everything as it is in my van, you are more than welcome. Let me know and we can set something up. Good luck.

Joe

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "iwalklongtime" <sensical@...> wrote:

Hi guys,

I've heard about this group for a few years, but only just up and joined as a swap is imminent!

I've gone ahead and got the RMW kit as it seems really complete and pretty well made - I've dealt with them on some other stuff and met some people that had swaps done there as well and all good things to say...

Located a Motor, ECU and harness locally [Portland, OR] out of a 99 Legacy. (Not a donor car, I'm just getting these parts) I understand this is a phase 2 motor - anyone have any experience with one of these good bad or otherwise?

Am I missing anything major here? Seems like it's going to be reasonably straightforward. [Famous last words]

Cheers all!


First timer - RMW Kit and EJ22

 

Hi guys,

I've heard about this group for a few years, but only just up and joined as a swap is imminent!

I've gone ahead and got the RMW kit as it seems really complete and pretty well made - I've dealt with them on some other stuff and met some people that had swaps done there as well and all good things to say...

Located a Motor, ECU and harness locally [Portland, OR] out of a 99 Legacy. (Not a donor car, I'm just getting these parts) I understand this is a phase 2 motor - anyone have any experience with one of these good bad or otherwise?

Am I missing anything major here? Seems like it's going to be reasonably straightforward. [Famous last words]

Cheers all!


Re: muffler for KEP exhaust with standard cat

Rob
 

Twice ('87 Wolfsburg & '84 Westy) I've used the KEP header & my stock cat/muffler with good results until they wore out (rust). No fit problems...
Both times I replaced them with a muffler from Tom after they wore out. I have tom's muffler on my 94 2.2 right now & recommend it to anyone interested.

Rob
becida@...

At 3/27/2012 05:48 PM,kneuper_steve wrote:
Hello All,

Lots of things you find out during your first (gee, did I indicate there might be a second?) conversion. I went with mostly KEP components, and it puts my stock 88 converter and muffler more to the right side of the car than stock. I didn't realize that until now.

Time to by a shorter muffler, perhaps 22 inches?!?!? to use on my conversion. I'm keeping the stock cat converter and will likely by one of Tom's support brackets for my EJ22 with automatic conversion.

Should the end of the muffler align within an inch of the frame rail, where the slight arch is cut to accommodate? With the KEP mount I don't have an easy way to mount the heat shield, how have people worked around that? Perhaps time to bend the original sheet metal quite a bit....

Perhaps on this "2nd" conversion I'll go with a different mounting system.

--steve in austin texas



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muffler for KEP exhaust with standard cat

kneuper_steve
 

Hello All,

Lots of things you find out during your first (gee, did I indicate there might be a second?) conversion. I went with mostly KEP components, and it puts my stock 88 converter and muffler more to the right side of the car than stock. I didn't realize that until now.

Time to by a shorter muffler, perhaps 22 inches?!?!? to use on my conversion. I'm keeping the stock cat converter and will likely by one of Tom's support brackets for my EJ22 with automatic conversion.

Should the end of the muffler align within an inch of the frame rail, where the slight arch is cut to accommodate? With the KEP mount I don't have an easy way to mount the heat shield, how have people worked around that? Perhaps time to bend the original sheet metal quite a bit....

Perhaps on this "2nd" conversion I'll go with a different mounting system.

--steve in austin texas


Re: Vanagon with a DOHC 2.5 engine in North or South Carolina.

 

Over the weekend I finally started opening up the wiring harness in the engine compartment of the Vanagon, and made some progress until I was overcome by a bad case of bronchitis. My very preliminary findings are: Whoever did the wiring modification had the proper gauge wire, but had a limited choice of colors - therefore no continuity of colors from the inside to the outside of the harness. I found that the 2 long wire pigtails that come out of one of the sub-harnesses are part of the charging system. Using the wiring diagram for a 99 Legacy, the large red wire goes to hot with ignition in the run position, and the small black wire goes to the alt. lamp. The other 3 wire pigtails that come out of the main harness are: red to battery voltage, one of the orange wires is hot when ign is in crank position, and the other orange wire is hot when ign. is in run position. I plan to re-verify this this coming weekend, and move on to the wires that go to and from the relay bank mounted in the engine compartment. In the meantime, however, I thought that I might ask if there are any preferred locations to splice these wires into the Vanagon electrical system, as opposed to just using the wiring diagram to find locations that would appear to be appropriate sources for each circuit. Thanks !!

--- In subaruvanagon@..., DARREL PENNIGAR <darrelp86@...> wrote:

Thanks Kent, Brent, James, and Scott?for your timely response. It does appear, however that James and I have one common connection, however. Yes, James, this is the vehicle that was at the Hot Rod shop near Raleigh. The shop owner said that he thought that the wiring harness was sent to someone in Chapel Hill to be modified, but I'd be willing to bet that it was done by the same person in Raleigh thad did yours. Much of the wiring has been installed, but there are still a number of wires, almost all without connectors on the ends,?that need to find a home. The wires?had all been?tagged with paper tags indicating where they went, but after sitting outside for a couple of years, the printing on almost every tag has faded to the point that it is illegible. One big question that I have is concerning 3 relays that are part of my harness. These are 3 identical relays that are mounted together on?the left side of the engine compartment. There are wires
coming from the harness bundle that attach to the relays, and then there are wire pigtails about 10" long?that come from the relays and are hanging loose. With time, I think I could trace out the rest of the wires, to determine where they go, but since the relays are not factory Subaru, I can't even guess what their purpose might be, or where the pigtails should be attached. Do you know, by chance, the name of the shop that did your harness modification? If they are still in business, maybe we could get a little assistance from them. In the meantime, I thought I'd try to make some photos of the different areas I have questions about in the next few days, and post them for inspection by any helpful group members. Thanks again, everyone for your assistance !!

--- On Mon, 3/5/12, James Henry <jch@...> wrote:


From: James Henry <jch@...>
Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Vanagon with a DOHC 2.5 engine in North or South Carolina.
To: subaruvanagon@...
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 4:35 PM


Darrel,

I am another NC vanagon owner with a 2.5 (96) that is incomplete and could
use some input. I think I have most of mine figured out, except for wiring.
My wiring harness was done a shop in Raleigh, but never installed, not
really finished. I have finally found the time and courage to get into it
and figure it out. I? am hoping to put it in the vanagon this weekend if I
can get answers to a couple of questions. Brent, your site has been
enormously helpful.? I have most of the other parts figured out. I think.

Brent or Scott, or anyone else, I could do a video chat through FaceBook, or
Microsoft Messenger, or WebX from my laptop and interactively ask a couple
of questions, if you would be up for it. You would not need video at your
end, we could talk via telephone.???A laptop in the shop is a wonderful
thing.

I have a reverse cooling system from Tom Shields, and a lot of SmallCar
parts. This project has been going on for too many years, Tom has been very
helpful, as has SmallCar. Darrel, I am not that far from Charlotte, maybe we
could collaborate. I could even come to Charlotte. Did you buy your project
from a hotrod shop south of Raleigh? You beat me to it if you did. I am in
Durham.

Thanks to all for any and all help. I hope that I have not jumped your
thread here Darrel, sounds like we are sharing some common problems and are
working to the same end.

We need to have these done and ready to show off at EveryBus in April!!!!!
www.everybus2012.com

Jim Henry
Durham, NC
84 Westy


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From: subaruvanagon@... [mailto:subaruvanagon@...]
On Behalf Of DARREL
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 21:42
To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Vanagon with a DOHC 2.5 engine in North or South
Carolina.


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I am trying to complete the installation of a 99 2.5 DOHC engine in an 86
Vanagon Weekender. I bought this vehicle from a third party seller, who had
very little information about the vehicle, other than that the engine was
from a 99 Legacy with 44,000 miles, and that he heard it run before it was
removed from the Subaru. I talked to small car, and from my description,
they said it did not sound like the modification parts were from them. The
seller did say that he possibly remembered that the owner mentioned getting
a modification kit from a Subaruvanagon member named Bryan, spelled with a Y
instead of an I. The installation appears to be about 80-85% complete, but
there are still some areas that have me at a loss. If I could have the
opportunity to look at a completed installation, I think it would give me
enough information to get this project wrapped up in time for camping
season. SO - I'm wondering if anyone within a 2-3 hour drive of Charlotte,
NC would have a V-gon with a 2.5 DOHC that I could come and inspect, and
maybe make a few photos of the areas I have questions about, so I can get
this vehicle on the road. Thanks in advance! Darrel






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Re: where should i buy my used engine in the Denver Area

 

Hey, I'm in Denver also. There are a few reputable resellers out there but youre always taking the risk that you don't have all the pieces you need. I went to klode, which is a totalled car auction. I got an '00 legacy for $2200 with 100k miles. It was time consuming, but I sold 2k worth of parts off of it, took the parts I needed and then scrapped it.

There's also CCR, a Subaru engine rebuilder. They're familiar with the vanagon conversions but they are pretty pricey.

Good luck!
On Mar 27, 2012, at 11:27 AM, "Terry" <gannont15@...> wrote:

Hey there,

i'm starting to price out a ej25 for my Syncro Westy. I live in the denver area and found a guy (salvage yard i think) on CL selling one w 112K miles for 1400$. price includes the ECU.

any thoughts suggesiton on the that price? recommendations? i have a motor that threw a rod so i'm debating on finding a long block and swappin it all out. there are rebuilds in the area for 1800$ but i am fairly new to these conversions so i thought i throw it out there for suggestions.

thanks

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Re: will adding a cat reduce the gas smell?

 

Interesting stuff. I'm thinking I should add a cat. I've ran without one
for about 2,000 miles. I upgraded to the Small car stainless system and I
got a straight pipe with an O2 bung where the cat would normally go.

To answer the questions. No I am not getting any codes related to o2
sensors or nox or anything. The only codes I ever see are P1500, P1501 and
P1507, which are all conversion related, I believe. (my ECU is still in
auto mode... which I need to fix).

Eddie




On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Don <dkveuro@...> wrote:

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--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Neil" <furrylittleotter@...> wrote:
............................... I could even run a cat and it would be
fine, and work, possibly for YEARS?
................................I won't bother to tell you how many
D.A.s told me the system fell back on "Limp Mode" when run without O2
sensors or a cat, but there have been PLENTY.


I knew I wasn't running in Limp mode because I have driven a car in limp
mode and they don't call it that for nothing.

Neil
Limp Mode default is triggered by loss of MAP, TPS, CTS or transmission
signal, VSS or a slip condition in the transmission. These lost or
corrupted signals are then ignored and a factory back up substitute used.

When this happens it really is Limp Mode and some vehicles will not
restart again if cooled off. Automatics will usually stay in 3rd and engine
will not rev above 4000rpm..

Most, but not all will run well without O2 sensors. However, to be sure, a
check with a Digital Oscilloscope or DVOM should be performed before
running long term .

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where should i buy my used engine in the Denver Area

 

Hey there,

i'm starting to price out a ej25 for my Syncro Westy. I live in the denver area and found a guy (salvage yard i think) on CL selling one w 112K miles for 1400$. price includes the ECU.

any thoughts suggesiton on the that price? recommendations? i have a motor that threw a rod so i'm debating on finding a long block and swappin it all out. there are rebuilds in the area for 1800$ but i am fairly new to these conversions so i thought i throw it out there for suggestions.

thanks


Re: will adding a cat reduce the gas smell?

 

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Neil" <furrylittleotter@...> wrote:
............................... I could even run a cat and it would be fine, and work, possibly for YEARS?
................................I won't bother to tell you how many D.A.s told me the system fell back on "Limp Mode" when run without O2 sensors or a cat, but there have been PLENTY.

I knew I wasn't running in Limp mode because I have driven a car in limp mode and they don't call it that for nothing.

Neil
Limp Mode default is triggered by loss of MAP, TPS, CTS or transmission signal, VSS or a slip condition in the transmission. These lost or corrupted signals are then ignored and a factory back up substitute used.

When this happens it really is Limp Mode and some vehicles will not restart again if cooled off. Automatics will usually stay in 3rd and engine will not rev above 4000rpm..

Most, but not all will run well without O2 sensors. However, to be sure, a check with a Digital Oscilloscope or DVOM should be performed before running long term .



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Current thoughts on best SVX conversion parts source combination?

 

I will be starting my SVX conversion into my '87 SyncroWesty this spring and I wanted to know your current thought on the best combination of SVX conversion parts/vendors.

I'm in Colorado, so I'm looking closely at RMW. But I'm just guessing. I'm also a fairly experienced mechanic, my winter project was converting our Audi Cabriolet from automatic to manual transmission ( ).

Given all the possible combinations of bell housings, adapter plates, headers, shortened oil pans and the like right now, it would be great to hear some experienced, big-picture, opinions on the best combination.


Re: will adding a cat reduce the gas smell?

Larry Hamm
 

Not all car's limp modes are created equal...

Larry H.

On 3/26/2012 10:28 PM, Neil wrote:

I knew I wasn't running in Limp mode because I have driven a car in
limp mode and they don't call it that for nothing.