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turbo oil cooler

dennis miller
 

Does anyone know if the stock Subaru 07 turbo oil cooler will fit on my 09
2.5l with the Small Car mount? I'm concerned there may not be enough
clearance on the mount side.



Thanks



Dennis


Re: New poll for subaruvanagon

dennis miller
 

Forgot to specify I'm running a 4.57 R&P in my previous post.

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: subaruvanagon@... [mailto:subaruvanagon@...]
On Behalf Of Jake de Villiers
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:58 AM
To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] New poll for subaruvanagon

Like Tom Rice, I'm running a 5 speed VW transaxle and I'm very happy with
it.

4.57 R&P, .77 5th gear, 225/55-16 tires, 68 MPH @ 3200 RPM

Based on my experiences driving several different conversions, the stock 4
speed with 4.57 R&P and 225/60-16 tires would be almost as good. My only
quibble would be the lack of the lower gearing in first. Probably not an
issue except in mountainous regions.

Jake

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM, <subaruvanagon@...> wrote:




Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
subaruvanagon group:

Have you regeared your transmission?

o NO
o Yes and I would rather it stock
o Yes 4th only w/2.2l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/2.5l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/3.3l
o Waiting for subaru trans

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!




--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential







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Re: New poll for subaruvanagon

dennis miller
 

I'm running a 5 spd also, behind an 09 2.5l in my 82 Westy diesel and like
it much better. I'm running a .82 5th with 215/65-15 tires, which gives me
3500 rpms at 70 mph. I also have a set of BFGs on rims that I run on dirt
roads. They are size 215/75-15, about 7% taller, and give 3300 rpms at 70
mph. The 5 spd ratios are just right for mountain driving--closer ratios and
I like having the lower first gear--very handy sometimes.

I think the survey is a good idea but need to add the rest of the available
choices, which are obviously a lot.

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: subaruvanagon@... [mailto:subaruvanagon@...]
On Behalf Of Jake de Villiers
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:58 AM
To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] New poll for subaruvanagon

Like Tom Rice, I'm running a 5 speed VW transaxle and I'm very happy with
it.

4.57 R&P, .77 5th gear, 225/55-16 tires, 68 MPH @ 3200 RPM

Based on my experiences driving several different conversions, the stock 4
speed with 4.57 R&P and 225/60-16 tires would be almost as good. My only
quibble would be the lack of the lower gearing in first. Probably not an
issue except in mountainous regions.

Jake

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM, <subaruvanagon@...> wrote:




Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
subaruvanagon group:

Have you regeared your transmission?

o NO
o Yes and I would rather it stock
o Yes 4th only w/2.2l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/2.5l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/3.3l
o Waiting for subaru trans

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!




--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential







------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: New poll for subaruvanagon

 

Like Tom Rice, I'm running a 5 speed VW transaxle and I'm very happy with
it.

4.57 R&P, .77 5th gear, 225/55-16 tires, 68 MPH @ 3200 RPM

Based on my experiences driving several different conversions, the stock 4
speed with 4.57 R&P and 225/60-16 tires would be almost as good. My only
quibble would be the lack of the lower gearing in first. Probably not an
issue except in mountainous regions.

Jake

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM, <subaruvanagon@...> wrote:




Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
subaruvanagon group:

Have you regeared your transmission?

o NO
o Yes and I would rather it stock
o Yes 4th only w/2.2l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/2.5l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/3.3l
o Waiting for subaru trans

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!




--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: New poll for subaruvanagon

 

Hi,

There is no place for me on your survey. I have a five speed weddle transmission and I'm very happy with it. '92 3.3, 18-19mpg, 67mph @ 3000rpm, 225/60r16 tires.

Thanks, Tom


________________________________
From: "subaruvanagon@..." <subaruvanagon@...>
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:21 PM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] New poll for subaruvanagon




Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
subaruvanagon group:

Have you regeared your transmission?

o NO
o Yes and I would rather it stock
o Yes 4th only w/2.2l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/2.5l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/3.3l
o Waiting for subaru trans

To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


Re: New poll for subaruvanagon

 

Left out one ~ Yes 4th only w/2.5l

--- In subaruvanagon@..., subaruvanagon@... wrote:


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
subaruvanagon group:

Have you regeared your transmission?

o NO
o Yes and I would rather it stock
o Yes 4th only w/2.2l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/2.5l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/3.3l
o Waiting for subaru trans


To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


Re: Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

 

Hey Tom

My VDUBARU is a 90Westy~4spd~2wd + 2001ImprezaRS~EJ25 that weighs in right @ 4000lbs. I am running 235/75r15s on the rear with a .77 4thGear ~ 1st, 2nd, 3rd gears are stock.

Here is some info

What When Results

235/75r15 @ 123636mi~06Jun08 70mph@3500rpm 20mpg

EJ25 Cnvrsn @ 136656mi~30Nov09 23mpg

.77 4thGear @ 144708mi~27May10 70mph@3200rpm 23mpg

The Odo' just turned 172000mi & so far I'm "A Happy Camper". The vast majority of my driving is done between 5000 & 6000ft ASL. There is no doubt about the fact that the tall Tire & Gear combo leads to the need to downshift on really steep long hills but it will do 70mph@5000rpm in 3rd if needed on those rare occasions. I prefer the combo not so much to lower the RevsPerMinute but to lower the RevsPerMile, there by getting more miles of use out of all those moving parts ~ like from the TimingBelt all the way through to the WheelBearings & Tires.

Hope that helps!

ORR ~ DeanB

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "surfervan91" <tomdueck@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here with my first question. I'm about to sink a 2.5L SOHC Subaru into my '91 Westfalia. I've been reading about some people recommending that it's best to regear 3rd and 4th in my Westy tranny to accommodate the new engine. What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons or even the necessity of doing this?


Re: Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

 

Do you think this could possibly work for a Syncro?



Yes, but there are
some clearance issues. Also, there is no way to outfit this transmission with a
locking rear differential and there would be no granny gear. It would make a
great "Allroad" style Vanagon but not one suited for heavy offroading.
Incidentally, the Subaru AWD system is a true full
time system with a center differential and 50/50 front to rear torque
distribution. It's a good system. Kind of like turning the capable t3 syncro we know into a t4 syncro. I'll pass. Great read though with some otherwise some great ingenuity.


To: subaruvanagon@...
From: gpanderson@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:47:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion


























Use the Subaru transmission made for the engine




On 2012-04-17, at 20:02, Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@...> wrote:



They used to advertise "close ratio transmissions" as a selling point back in the 70's. I'm still not even sure what that means. But I'm guessing winding it out "equally" in all four gears, and then cruise merrily along. I've been advised by an extremely knowledgeable Vanagon guy to NOT change the gears when considering a Subie conversion; a modest tinkering with tire diameters is OK but DON'T change the ratios inside the tranny.
Rich
San Diego
--- On Tue, 4/17/12, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...> wrote:
From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...>
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion
To: subaruvanagon@...
Cc: "Tom Dueck" <glen_burnie@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 6:51 PM
I can tell you this ..
higher 3rd and 4th gears are not neccessarily better.
two cases..
one guy raised his gearing in hopes of better fuel milage as he was
spinning something like 3,800 rpm at a good cruise speed.
His fuel mileage got worse, not better, going for lower rpm's at cruise
speed.
( and 3,800 is not that bad on a 6K rpm engine anyway )_
another case ...I insalled a modified gearbox into an SVX Syncro I had
built for a guy.
He raised 3rd and 4th ..
and in my opinion kinda ruined it.
Sure ..with a very tall 4th you can cruise at 75 + more replaxed than
with stock gearing. ..
but how often does one get to cruise that fast anyway.
the real bad part though was..
I'd be drivin' nicely in 3rd ....50ish and rev's were too high for
relaxed goin' down the road..
shift into 4th ..lugging .
Shift back to 3rd ...more rev's than ideal.
There are no 'holes' in the stock gear like this..
the gap between ratios is very important.
if one wanted to raise the over all gearing in all gears ( and thus not
affect the gap between gears ) that would be fine..
say 10 % worth ...like with taller tires.
The gaps between the ratios are quite good the way VW set their manual
trans us ..
and ...they also match a fat wide torque curve ..
which both a waterboxer and a subaru engine have.
( in a wbxr...there's not all that much power ..but you are strong in
the power band from about 2,800 to 4,400 rpm , roughly ..
subaur is the same way ..
good power at say 2,500 on up ..to over 5K rpm ..
that matches stock gear ratio gaps very nicely.
If anything ...just raise the overall gearing a little, but don't raise
just 3rd and 4th.
Doing that turned a very nice 'power is nice in all modes..
whether loafing or rippin' vanagon' into one that has holes in its
power curve from gear to gear, mainly 3rd and 4th.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
On 4/17/2012 4:42 PM, Tom Dueck wrote:
Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated. There seems to be a mixed consensus on this issue.
Tom
To: subaruvanagon@...
From: eric_rowland1@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:05:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd& 4th gear after conversion
My '91 Westy/Syncro is running a 3.0 conversion w/16" rims and a higher 3rd/4th gear courtesy of Lucas Hofgard in Boulder. The higher 3rd works as intended and the gear spacing between 2nd/3rd is not an issue when driving in town. Even here in the Southern Rockies at 7000 feet with the higher 4th gear I can climb almost any hill at highway speeds and maintain 60/65 in 3rd on those occasions where I need to downshift. From my experience, I'd recommend both changes with a 6 cylinder engine but your 2.5 may have different requirements and your location may present a different set of issues. If your trans is in good shape you can leave it intact and add 16" rims to see if that gives you the upper range you're looking for on the highway. Then tackle the gearing at another time if the rim/tire choice doesn't give you everything you're looking for.
--- On Tue, 4/17/12, surfervan91<tomdueck@...> wrote:
From: surfervan91<tomdueck@...>
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd& 4th gear after conversion
To: subaruvanagon@...
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:00 AM
Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here with my first question. I'm about to sink a 2.5L SOHC Subaru into my '91 Westfalia. I've been reading about some people recommending that it's best to regear 3rd and 4th in my Westy tranny to accommodate the new engine. What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons or even the necessity of doing this?
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Re: Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

nathan
 

I have regeared my transmission and feel that I should have waited for the subaru five speed.

A poll has been started on this very subject I think many converters and people seeking information on the conversion would benefit from the results of the poll.

It will be great to see the results. Please take a moment to vote.

The poll closes on AUG 11 2012.


New poll for subaruvanagon

 

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
subaruvanagon group:

Have you regeared your transmission?

o NO
o Yes and I would rather it stock
o Yes 4th only w/2.2l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/2.5l
o Yes 3rd and 4th w/3.3l
o Waiting for subaru trans


To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


Re: Knock Sensor code 22

 

It has to be tight against the block. Sounds like your bolt is too long. 30
ft lb.


Re: Knock Sensor code 22

 

Just one more thing...
Some instructions say that the sensor should be oriented so that the wires come off it at a 45 degree angle to the engine. Not directly forward or back and not directly to the side. Because of clearance issues there may be only one position where this is possible.
I would be pleased to an explanation from anyone as to why this would matter.

Larry A.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., Sean Garrett <doit.outdoors@...> wrote:

I might add mine was corroded on my 2000 2.5.

So I bought new and then cleaned up the mating surface on the block.

I still get a code, but my engine seems to run well.

Â
Sean G


________________________________
From: larryalofs <alofs@...>
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:44 AM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Re: Knock Sensor code 22


Â
The sensor needs to be held firmly to the case. The bolt should not bottom out. Get a shorter bolt or saw some off the end. I believe that I saw a torque value somewhere, Haynes or Alldatadiy maybe. I'd say "medium tight", about as tight as you can with one hand on a short 1/4" drive ratchet.

Larry A.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "collinsmedicus" <collinsmedicus@> wrote:

My receintly installed ej22 in my 88 Wolfsburg has developed a code 22, knock sensor. The sensor was loose on the block and the sensor could easily swivel. Is this normal or should there be firm contact between the sensor and the block? is there a torque value? I have a new sensor and it is as loose as the original. The attaching bolt may not be original but does bottom out allowing the sensor to move.
Thanks in advance.
Doug
Fresno
88 Wolfsburg



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Re: Knock Sensor code 22

 

On Apr 18, 2012, at 6:58 AM, collinsmedicus wrote:

My receintly installed ej22 in my 88 Wolfsburg has developed a code 22, knock sensor. The sensor was loose on the block and the sensor could easily swivel. Is this normal or should there be firm contact between the sensor and the block? is there a torque value? I have a new sensor and it is as loose as the original. The attaching bolt may not be original but does bottom out allowing the sensor to move.
These usually crack at the sensor wire lead side of the sensor which causes the failure.
Be sure to not over torque it on, 15lbs at most.

bob


Re: Knock Sensor code 22

 

I might add mine was corroded on my 2000 2.5.

So I bought new and then cleaned up the mating surface on the block.

I still get a code, but my engine seems to run well.


Sean G


________________________________
From: larryalofs <alofs@...>
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:44 AM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Re: Knock Sensor code 22



The sensor needs to be held firmly to the case. The bolt should not bottom out. Get a shorter bolt or saw some off the end. I believe that I saw a torque value somewhere, Haynes or Alldatadiy maybe. I'd say "medium tight", about as tight as you can with one hand on a short 1/4" drive ratchet.

Larry A.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "collinsmedicus" <collinsmedicus@...> wrote:

My receintly installed ej22 in my 88 Wolfsburg has developed a code 22, knock sensor. The sensor was loose on the block and the sensor could easily swivel. Is this normal or should there be firm contact between the sensor and the block? is there a torque value? I have a new sensor and it is as loose as the original. The attaching bolt may not be original but does bottom out allowing the sensor to move.
Thanks in advance.
Doug
Fresno
88 Wolfsburg



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Re: Knock Sensor code 22

 

The sensor needs to be held firmly to the case. The bolt should not bottom out. Get a shorter bolt or saw some off the end. I believe that I saw a torque value somewhere, Haynes or Alldatadiy maybe. I'd say "medium tight", about as tight as you can with one hand on a short 1/4" drive ratchet.

Larry A.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "collinsmedicus" <collinsmedicus@...> wrote:

My receintly installed ej22 in my 88 Wolfsburg has developed a code 22, knock sensor. The sensor was loose on the block and the sensor could easily swivel. Is this normal or should there be firm contact between the sensor and the block? is there a torque value? I have a new sensor and it is as loose as the original. The attaching bolt may not be original but does bottom out allowing the sensor to move.
Thanks in advance.
Doug
Fresno
88 Wolfsburg


Re: Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

 

Good point Eric, there is allot of truth to what your saying. I'm just a happy traveller. I've had mine for 4 years and put over 100,000km on it but am adement about going ahead with the conversion. My stumbling block at the moment is how new to go with the engine. I almost bought a 2006 2.5i SOHC yesterday but was told not to. Something to do with the ECU and the fuel delivery of the 06/07 2.5L engines. I don't want my conversion to get too complicated for my first time. I've been researching this Subaru conversion process for two years now and just when I think I know everything I need to know to go ahead, I get broadsided with a caveat I wasn't prepared for. Sometimes I think it's better to dive in somewhat ignorant and then deal with the issues as they hit you.

To: subaruvanagon@...
From: eric_rowland1@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:27:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion


























There will always be plenty of differing opinions on the board. I've read here for over 5 years and learned a lot before I decided on an upgrade both in engine size and make trans changes. The gearing in the VW trans is optimized for a VW waterboxer engine. If that's not what you intend to run, and presumably it's not if you're posting here, you'll have to work through a lot of posts and a little math to help you make a good guess as to the right direction for your van. Take the time to outline how you intend to use your newly robust vehicle. If you're solid there, you'll be able to sort through everyone's opinions and find the few that address your requirements. That's what I did. Everyone here is passionate but they can't know what you want from your Westy.

--- On Tue, 4/17/12, Tom Dueck <glen_burnie@...> wrote:



From: Tom Dueck <glen_burnie@...>

Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

To: subaruvanagon@...

Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 5:42 PM



Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated. There seems to be a mixed consensus on this issue.



Tom



To: subaruvanagon@...

From: eric_rowland1@...

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:05:42 -0700

Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion













My '91 Westy/Syncro is running a 3.0 conversion w/16" rims and a higher 3rd/4th gear courtesy of Lucas Hofgard in Boulder. The higher 3rd works as intended and the gear spacing between 2nd/3rd is not an issue when driving in town. Even here in the Southern Rockies at 7000 feet with the higher 4th gear I can climb almost any hill at highway speeds and maintain 60/65 in 3rd on those occasions where I need to downshift. From my experience, I'd recommend both changes with a 6 cylinder engine but your 2.5 may have different requirements and your location may present a different set of issues. If your trans is in good shape you can leave it intact and add 16" rims to see if that gives you the upper range you're looking for on the highway. Then tackle the gearing at another time if the rim/tire choice doesn't give you everything you're looking for.



--- On Tue, 4/17/12, surfervan91 <tomdueck@...> wrote:



From: surfervan91 <tomdueck@...>



Subject: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion



To: subaruvanagon@...



Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:00 AM







Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here with my first question. I'm about to sink a 2.5L SOHC Subaru into my '91 Westfalia. I've been reading about some people recommending that it's best to regear 3rd and 4th in my Westy tranny to accommodate the new engine. What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons or even the necessity of doing this?























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Re: Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

 

Sounds very interesting. I've always wanted to migrate to a 5-speed tranny mainly because I've too often tried to shift into a gear that wasn't there. My concern would be cost and at what stage of development and reliability is this venture at. I have no doubt that it is possible, since you have already done it, but at what expense.

To: subaruvanagon@...
From: gpanderson@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:47:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion


























Use the Subaru transmission made for the engine




On 2012-04-17, at 20:02, Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@...> wrote:



They used to advertise "close ratio transmissions" as a selling point back in the 70's. I'm still not even sure what that means. But I'm guessing winding it out "equally" in all four gears, and then cruise merrily along. I've been advised by an extremely knowledgeable Vanagon guy to NOT change the gears when considering a Subie conversion; a modest tinkering with tire diameters is OK but DON'T change the ratios inside the tranny.
Rich
San Diego
--- On Tue, 4/17/12, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...> wrote:
From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...>
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion
To: subaruvanagon@...
Cc: "Tom Dueck" <glen_burnie@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 6:51 PM
I can tell you this ..
higher 3rd and 4th gears are not neccessarily better.
two cases..
one guy raised his gearing in hopes of better fuel milage as he was
spinning something like 3,800 rpm at a good cruise speed.
His fuel mileage got worse, not better, going for lower rpm's at cruise
speed.
( and 3,800 is not that bad on a 6K rpm engine anyway )_
another case ...I insalled a modified gearbox into an SVX Syncro I had
built for a guy.
He raised 3rd and 4th ..
and in my opinion kinda ruined it.
Sure ..with a very tall 4th you can cruise at 75 + more replaxed than
with stock gearing. ..
but how often does one get to cruise that fast anyway.
the real bad part though was..
I'd be drivin' nicely in 3rd ....50ish and rev's were too high for
relaxed goin' down the road..
shift into 4th ..lugging .
Shift back to 3rd ...more rev's than ideal.
There are no 'holes' in the stock gear like this..
the gap between ratios is very important.
if one wanted to raise the over all gearing in all gears ( and thus not
affect the gap between gears ) that would be fine..
say 10 % worth ...like with taller tires.
The gaps between the ratios are quite good the way VW set their manual
trans us ..
and ...they also match a fat wide torque curve ..
which both a waterboxer and a subaru engine have.
( in a wbxr...there's not all that much power ..but you are strong in
the power band from about 2,800 to 4,400 rpm , roughly ..
subaur is the same way ..
good power at say 2,500 on up ..to over 5K rpm ..
that matches stock gear ratio gaps very nicely.
If anything ...just raise the overall gearing a little, but don't raise
just 3rd and 4th.
Doing that turned a very nice 'power is nice in all modes..
whether loafing or rippin' vanagon' into one that has holes in its
power curve from gear to gear, mainly 3rd and 4th.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
On 4/17/2012 4:42 PM, Tom Dueck wrote:
Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated. There seems to be a mixed consensus on this issue.
Tom
To: subaruvanagon@...
From: eric_rowland1@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:05:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd& 4th gear after conversion
My '91 Westy/Syncro is running a 3.0 conversion w/16" rims and a higher 3rd/4th gear courtesy of Lucas Hofgard in Boulder. The higher 3rd works as intended and the gear spacing between 2nd/3rd is not an issue when driving in town. Even here in the Southern Rockies at 7000 feet with the higher 4th gear I can climb almost any hill at highway speeds and maintain 60/65 in 3rd on those occasions where I need to downshift. From my experience, I'd recommend both changes with a 6 cylinder engine but your 2.5 may have different requirements and your location may present a different set of issues. If your trans is in good shape you can leave it intact and add 16" rims to see if that gives you the upper range you're looking for on the highway. Then tackle the gearing at another time if the rim/tire choice doesn't give you everything you're looking for.
--- On Tue, 4/17/12, surfervan91<tomdueck@...> wrote:
From: surfervan91<tomdueck@...>
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd& 4th gear after conversion
To: subaruvanagon@...
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:00 AM
Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here with my first question. I'm about to sink a 2.5L SOHC Subaru into my '91 Westfalia. I've been reading about some people recommending that it's best to regear 3rd and 4th in my Westy tranny to accommodate the new engine. What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons or even the necessity of doing this?
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Knock Sensor code 22

 

My receintly installed ej22 in my 88 Wolfsburg has developed a code 22, knock sensor. The sensor was loose on the block and the sensor could easily swivel. Is this normal or should there be firm contact between the sensor and the block? is there a torque value? I have a new sensor and it is as loose as the original. The attaching bolt may not be original but does bottom out allowing the sensor to move.
Thanks in advance.
Doug
Fresno
88 Wolfsburg


Re: Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

 

I had planned on taller gearing with my 6.17 ratio tranny running an ej22 and even went the extra step and bought a 0.73 4th and 1.18 3rd gear sets. The best decision I made was to do the engine conversion first to see how it drives with stock gearing. I'm doing 3750rpm at 60mph in 4th and the power is just adequate! My gearing is the same as with the stock 2.1wbx (in australia stock syncros have a 5.43 ratio) Any taller and I'd struggle up hills and overtaking. Now I have some expensive gearsets sitting around for nothing. It's not too hard to drop out the engine and regear the trans if you're unhappy with your stock gearing but it's pretty expensive to build a gearbox upfront and find you're unhappy with it. Like others have mentioned good old rubber gears work at treat!> To: subaruvanagon@...

From: glen_burnie@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:42:12 -0300
Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion


Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated. There seems to be a mixed consensus on this issue.

Tom

To: subaruvanagon@...
From: eric_rowland1@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:05:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion


























My '91 Westy/Syncro is running a 3.0 conversion w/16" rims and a higher 3rd/4th gear courtesy of Lucas Hofgard in Boulder. The higher 3rd works as intended and the gear spacing between 2nd/3rd is not an issue when driving in town. Even here in the Southern Rockies at 7000 feet with the higher 4th gear I can climb almost any hill at highway speeds and maintain 60/65 in 3rd on those occasions where I need to downshift. From my experience, I'd recommend both changes with a 6 cylinder engine but your 2.5 may have different requirements and your location may present a different set of issues. If your trans is in good shape you can leave it intact and add 16" rims to see if that gives you the upper range you're looking for on the highway. Then tackle the gearing at another time if the rim/tire choice doesn't give you everything you're looking for.





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From: surfervan91 <tomdueck@...>

Subject: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

To: subaruvanagon@...

Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:00 AM







Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here with my first question. I'm about to sink a 2.5L SOHC Subaru into my '91 Westfalia. I've been reading about some people recommending that it's best to regear 3rd and 4th in my Westy tranny to accommodate the new engine. What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons or even the necessity of doing this?


























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Re: Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

 

Go to: syncro.org. And you can used the gearing calculator to figure what you want with the tire size you will use and different gears n engine power band. Have fun!
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From: eric rowland <eric_rowland1@...>
Sender: subaruvanagon@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:27:27
To: <subaruvanagon@...>
Reply-To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

There will always be plenty of differing opinions on the board. I've read here for over 5 years and learned a lot before I decided on an upgrade both in engine size and make trans changes. The gearing in the VW trans is optimized for a VW waterboxer engine. If that's not what you intend to run, and presumably it's not if you're posting here, you'll have to work through a lot of posts and a little math to help you make a good guess as to the right direction for your van. Take the time to outline how you intend to use your newly robust vehicle. If you're solid there, you'll be able to sort through everyone's opinions and find the few that address your requirements. That's what I did. Everyone here is passionate but they can't know what you want from your Westy.

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From: Tom Dueck <glen_burnie@...>
Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion
To: subaruvanagon@...
Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 5:42 PM



Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated.� There seems to be a mixed consensus on this issue.

Tom

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From: surfervan91 <tomdueck@...>

Subject: [subaruvanagon] Regearing 3rd & 4th gear after conversion

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Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:00 AM







Hello everyone, I'm a newbie here with my first question. I'm about to sink a 2.5L SOHC Subaru into my '91 Westfalia. I've been reading about some people recommending that it's best to regear 3rd and 4th in my Westy tranny to accommodate the new engine. What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons or even the necessity of doing this?









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