MIke, is that the "Good" clone, or the bad clone? Someone else bought the one that's imported into Germany, and it was two or three times that cost. It is supposedly the "Good" clone. I didn't touch it so can't say for sure. Think it was mentioned on the SouthBendLathe group, but could be wrong/

Bill in OKC

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Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
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On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 02:28:45 PM CST, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

??? ??? If I was to buy a new tool post to replace my import AXA I
would get one of these Multi-Fix clones . Had I know that they were
around I would have bought one instead of the AXA .

??? ??? A bit more than the AXA , but I can live with that . When I buy
something I study the hall out of it . I don't have as much disposable
income as a lot of folks . I like the option to change the clock of the
tool holder without having to loosen the nut on top of the QCTP . I look
at a lot of the machine shops I've been in & the KDK & Multi-Fix far out
number the Aloris style of QCTP's .

Yea it isn't as easy to make more tool holders , but what's wrong with a
challenge ? At $190.00 it's still cheaper than some AXA clones out there .



??? animal

On 2/26/2022 12:02 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:

True that, and why I generally say AXA-Clone. Partially because mine is a Chinese copy, and partially because the AXA-size is the one that fits 9-12" lathes, generally speaking. My school lathe that I love is a 13" Clausing Colchester, which has the BXA tool post, the other machines are 15" CC lathes, and they have CXA tool posts. The BXA I use is an Aloris, IIRC. They are very nice for some things. I'm also collecting tooling for the lantern-style tool posts, as there are some things they work better for. Best is to have both a QCTP of some sort, and the lantern style. Both will easily do some things the other cannot. If? you work production, you'll mostly want the QCTP.

If you never do duplicate parts, you won't need a QCTP at all, but AFAIK, most folks who are hobbyists can make good use of both. Name brand QCTP's tend to be rather expensive. Just the tool post without tool holders is about half of what I paid for my Atlas TH42, and about a third of what I paid for my restoration project SB Heavy 10L. is about $380. Technically, the Phase II is actually a clone, too, of the Aloris. Supposedly of higher quality than mine, but I couldn't prove it. ;) Mine is around $160 on Amazon with 5 toolholders.

For folks who can't afford or don't want to spend the money to get either, you can make a Van Norman style. GK at the SouthBendLathe group just did that, based partially on the Ralph Patterson version that was popular on the 7x Mini-lathes. You can find that info here: /g/Mini-Lathes/files/Ralph%20Patterson%20Mini-Lathe%20and%20metalworking%20projects%21/RalphPattersonML among other stuff. I'm the owner of that group, and anyone who's interested in welcome to join.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

? Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better










? On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 01:26:51 PM CST, Rick <vwrick@...> wrote:





? On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 08:37 PM, piper184 wrote:

I have a PhaseII (same as AXA if I understand it properly) holder on my SB 10K. It came that way. Looks like it was a direct replacement for the old lantern style holder. PhaseII just slides right onto the T-slot in the compound.
For future reference in case a newbie reads this, Phase II is a brand, AXA is a size.

True that, and why I generally say AXA-Clone. Partially because mine is a Chinese copy, and partially because the AXA-size is the one that fits 9-12" lathes, generally speaking. My school lathe that I love is a 13" Clausing Colchester, which has the BXA tool post, the other machines are 15" CC lathes, and they have CXA tool posts. The BXA I use is an Aloris, IIRC. They are very nice for some things. I'm also collecting tooling for the lantern-style tool posts, as there are some things they work better for. Best is to have both a QCTP of some sort, and the lantern style. Both will easily do some things the other cannot. If? you work production, you'll mostly want the QCTP.

If you never do duplicate parts, you won't need a QCTP at all, but AFAIK, most folks who are hobbyists can make good use of both. Name brand QCTP's tend to be rather expensive. Just the tool post without tool holders is about half of what I paid for my Atlas TH42, and about a third of what I paid for my restoration project SB Heavy 10L. is about $380. Technically, the Phase II is actually a clone, too, of the Aloris. Supposedly of higher quality than mine, but I couldn't prove it. ;) Mine is around $160 on Amazon with 5 toolholders.

For folks who can't afford or don't want to spend the money to get either, you can make a Van Norman style. GK at the SouthBendLathe group just did that, based partially on the Ralph Patterson version that was popular on the 7x Mini-lathes. You can find that info here: /g/Mini-Lathes/files/Ralph%20Patterson%20Mini-Lathe%20and%20metalworking%20projects%21/RalphPattersonML among other stuff. I'm the owner of that group, and anyone who's interested in welcome to join.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

? Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better










? On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 01:26:51 PM CST, Rick <vwrick@...> wrote:





? On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 08:37 PM, piper184 wrote:

I have a PhaseII (same as AXA if I understand it properly) holder on my SB 10K. It came that way. Looks like it was a direct replacement for the old lantern style holder. PhaseII just slides right onto the T-slot in the compound.
For future reference in case a newbie reads this, Phase II is a brand, AXA is a size.

True that, and why I generally say AXA-Clone. Partially because mine is a Chinese copy, and partially because the AXA-size is the one that fits 9-12" lathes, generally speaking. My school lathe that I love is a 13" Clausing Colchester, which has the BXA tool post, the other machines are 15" CC lathes, and they have CXA tool posts. The BXA I use is an Aloris, IIRC. They are very nice for some things. I'm also collecting tooling for the lantern-style tool posts, as there are some things they work better for. Best is to have both a QCTP of some sort, and the lantern style. Both will easily do some things the other cannot. If you work production, you'll mostly want the QCTP.

If you never do duplicate parts, you won't need a QCTP at all, but AFAIK, most folks who are hobbyists can make good use of both. Name brand QCTP's tend to be rather expensive. Just the tool post without tool holders is about half of what I paid for my Atlas TH42, and about a third of what I paid for my restoration project SB Heavy 10L. is about $380. Technically, the Phase II is actually a clone, too, of the Aloris. Supposedly of higher quality than mine, but I couldn't prove it. ;) Mine is around $160 on Amazon with 5 toolholders.

For folks who can't afford or don't want to spend the money to get either, you can make a Van Norman style. GK at the SouthBendLathe group just did that, based partially on the Ralph Patterson version that was popular on the 7x Mini-lathes. You can find that info here: /g/Mini-Lathes/files/Ralph%20Patterson%20Mini-Lathe%20and%20metalworking%20projects%21/RalphPattersonML among other stuff. I'm the owner of that group, and anyone who's interested in welcome to join.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better










On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 01:26:51 PM CST, Rick <vwrick@...> wrote:





On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 08:37 PM, piper184 wrote:

I have a PhaseII (same as AXA if I understand it properly) holder on my SB 10K. It came that way. Looks like it was a direct replacement for the old lantern style holder. PhaseII just slides right onto the T-slot in the compound.
For future reference in case a newbie reads this, Phase II is a brand, AXA is a size.

Well I when out to the shop last night and toke the rectangular plate that came with AXA tool post and machined it to fit my lathe (see attached picture). Again thank you for all your help.

Bill?

Have any of you added an AXA tool holder to your South Bend model 9 lathes. If so, do any of you have instruction and or drawings for what is required to do this?? Any information would be appreciated.? Thank you for your time and help.

Pwoolybul

James, I believe you're raising him right! I failed miserably at that with my kids. I like computers, and think of them as a fine tool, but they're not the be-all and end-all of life. I can't seem to interest the two that are still local in the stuff I'm able to do today. Spent the past few class days using my precision manual machining class machines to make a V-block. Going to spend a few more making clamps for it, and cutting it into probaby 4 V-blocks. I keep looking at buying a set, and I need at least one set for some projects I have waiting in the wings, but decided to save my pennies for stuff I can't make as easily.

Teacher for that class has a photo of a kid working on his tricycle, says "College is not for everyone. Teach your kids that it's OK to make and fix stuff." or something to that effect. Had her teen daughter go through the class, as well. You don't have to work with your hands if you don't want to, but it makes a fun something to do even if you don't care to work at it. I think I would have had a much happier life if I'd spent more time making and fixing than I did with academics and administration.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better










On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 02:59:07 PM CST, James Rice <james.rice@...> wrote:





You’re right, Bill.? That is exactly what I did for my Atlas 6x18 and the A2Z CNC post I bought for it.? When I bought my Atlas 12x36, I used the 6x18 lathe milling adapter to mill the t-nut for the 12x36.? But at that time I was an employee and not self employed so I had more free time.? Now, I’m semi-retired and still short of time since I’m raising my 3 yo grandson. But we do get both of us out in the shop as much as we can.? He loves it out there and can pretty much tell you what half the tools in the shop do, what the proper name is and most parts of a car’s engine on sight.

James

On Feb 23, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

And if you can't afford to buy, and don't have a mill, you can cut the t-nut blank that comes with most AXA & clone toolposts with a hacksaw and files to make the T-nut you need. That is what I did for my Atlas TH42. Took about 4 hours to get a very well-fitted T-nut. If I'd had an accessible vise at the time it would have been faster. ;) Not the thing to do if? you're a production shop, but easily doable for an amateur machinist with time on his hands.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better










On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 02:13:56 PM CST, James Rice <james.rice@...> wrote:





You are overthinking it.? Buy a tool post kit, either mill or buy a t-nut the proper size then mount the post.? Mission accomplished.
I chose to buy a t-nut on eBay since my shop time was limited then and it was under $20 including shipping. Today, since I'm less busy, I'd mill one out of some scrap.? I have customized mine by making a large handled nut for the top so if I need to reposition the post, I don't need a wrench.? I made the top nut out of a piece of 12L14 hex bar I had and the knob handle was left over from a project I did a few years ago.? The only cost was buying the metric tap for the nut as it was size I didn't own at the time.


On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:46 PM pwoolybul via groups.io <pwoolybul@...> wrote:
Have any of you added an AXA tool holder to your South Bend model 9 lathes. If so, do any of you have instruction and or drawings for what is required to do this?? Any information would be appreciated.? Thank you for your time and help.

Pwoolybul

Have any of you added an AXA tool holder to your South Bend model 9 lathes. If so, do any of you have instruction and or drawings for what is required to do this?? Any information would be appreciated.? Thank you for your time and help.

Pwoolybul

On Feb 23, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

And if you can't afford to buy, and don't have a mill, you can cut the t-nut blank that comes with most AXA & clone toolposts with a hacksaw and files to make the T-nut you need. That is what I did for my Atlas TH42. Took about 4 hours to get a very well-fitted T-nut. If I'd had an accessible vise at the time it would have been faster. ;) Not the thing to do if? you're a production shop, but easily doable for an amateur machinist with time on his hands.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better










On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 02:13:56 PM CST, James Rice <james.rice@...> wrote:





You are overthinking it.? Buy a tool post kit, either mill or buy a t-nut the proper size then mount the post.? Mission accomplished.
I chose to buy a t-nut on eBay since my shop time was limited then and it was under $20 including shipping. Today, since I'm less busy, I'd mill one out of some scrap.? I have customized mine by making a large handled nut for the top so if I need to reposition the post, I don't need a wrench.? I made the top nut out of a piece of 12L14 hex bar I had and the knob handle was left over from a project I did a few years ago.? The only cost was buying the metric tap for the nut as it was size I didn't own at the time.


On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:46 PM pwoolybul via groups.io <pwoolybul@...> wrote:
Have any of you added an AXA tool holder to your South Bend model 9 lathes. If so, do any of you have instruction and or drawings for what is required to do this?? Any information would be appreciated.? Thank you for your time and help.

Pwoolybul

On Feb 23, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

?And if you can't afford to buy, and don't have a mill, you can cut the t-nut blank that comes with most AXA & clone toolposts with a hacksaw and files to make the T-nut you need. That is what I did for my Atlas TH42. Took about 4 hours to get a very well-fitted T-nut. If I'd had an accessible vise at the time it would have been faster. ;) Not the thing to do if you're a production shop, but easily doable for an amateur machinist with time on his hands.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better










On Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 02:13:56 PM CST, James Rice <james.rice@...> wrote:





You are overthinking it. Buy a tool post kit, either mill or buy a t-nut the proper size then mount the post. Mission accomplished.
I chose to buy a t-nut on eBay since my shop time was limited then and it was under $20 including shipping. Today, since I'm less busy, I'd mill one out of some scrap. I have customized mine by making a large handled nut for the top so if I need to reposition the post, I don't need a wrench. I made the top nut out of a piece of 12L14 hex bar I had and the knob handle was left over from a project I did a few years ago. The only cost was buying the metric tap for the nut as it was size I didn't own at the time.


On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:46 PM pwoolybul via groups.io <pwoolybul@...> wrote:
Have any of you added an AXA tool holder to your South Bend model 9 lathes. If so, do any of you have instruction and or drawings for what is required to do this? Any information would be appreciated. Thank you for your time and help.

Pwoolybul