Keyboard Shortcuts
Likes
- SouthBendLathe
- Messages
Search
oil viscosity
R. Allen
开云体育? I'm glad someone posted a chart on this it doesn't tell the complete story but it is good enough for a reference According to the standard handbook of mechanical engineering the SAE viscosity rating with the W is based on SUS standard. Others without the W is not. The viscosity viscosity is based on to temperatures 0 degrees Fahrenheit and 210 degrees Fahrenheit. a maximum and minimum viscosity for each temperature is used. It is a very loosely applied standard which may include a wide range of viscosity. A chart given in the book shows SAE rated oils vs. the SUS standard. At approximately 120 degrees SAE oils x10 follow the same viscosity as the SUS rating. In another section of the book describes converting SAE rated as follows ( W x 10 ) it is only a rough conversion not intended to calculate actual viscosity the actual viscosity can only be determined by a testing facility ? Rick |
||
another new member
Hi all,
My name is Chris and I'm a 47 y/o Captain/engineer/just-about-anything-else to do with things seagoing. I started working with lathes in high school too many years ago. My stable includes a 1952 13" SB with a 6' bed, a Burke Millrite, a 20" Clausing v/s drill press and a 14" Walker Turner band saw, as well as a 35 year collection of mechanics and woodworking tools. I've been Captain on square riggers, schooners and steam yachts and am now involved as engineer in a damn the cost restoration of a 93' motor yacht for an owner who wants only the best. Talk about a dream job! Anyway, that's how I can combine work (boats) and hobby (machinery and more boats). Cheers,Chris |
||
Re: Intro
Carl, do you pay by the minute for internet time? I use a free
access server (funcow.com or netzero.com). Go to the website for egroups (and/or yahoo groups) and sign in. Once you are in, go to southbendlathe, where you will have a vertical toolbar at the left hand side of your screen. Click on "Messages" to read other people's posts (and yours too) all the way back to #1. At the top of each message is a toolbar which gives you the option to reply to that message (same string). If you want to start something new, click on "Post" on the left hand side of your screen instead. Hope this helps, I'm a rookie with computers too. This works for me. Dave D'Albertanson --- In southbendlathe@y..., "Jeanie/Carl" <youngcj@i...> wrote: First, since I am new at this one, is there an easier way to post amessage without emailing it in, if so, please post. |
||
Re: New member
Paul R. Hvidston
开云体育Karl,
?
Welcome, and looking forward to some pictures of
your SB and stuff you made with it (and for it???). I'd like to hear what you do
to get around a worn bed.
?
This goes for everyone in the group: please feel
free to share things you do to get around the peculiarities of SB lathes, and do
more with yours. I'm in the learning mode, so all of this is
appreciated.
?
Cheers!
?
Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA |
||
Re: lubrication
Just how much does SB charge for there oils?
--- In southbendlathe@y..., jsf1@c... wrote: I have been buying my A, B and C lubrication oil directly from Southmy lathe's origins and in stocking some of the parts I had to buy for |
||
Re: New member
Karl,
I am looking for a nice simple steam engine to build , but I wantit to look flashy. Do you have or know of some simple but sharp looking single piston engines? Jim --- In southbendlathe@y..., hsmth656@c... wrote: Would like to say hello to the members of this group and say howabout this group a few days ago. Looking forward to all the good info youSouth Bend. I sold it for half what I paid but making the switch wasworth every cent. I love the look, the feel of the South Bend lathes.We have about thirty members and meet once a month at various members |
||
New member
Would like to say hello to the members of this group and say how
great it is to have a group dedicated just to South Bend lathes. I especially want to thank whoever posted rec.crafts.metalworking about this group a few days ago. Looking forward to all the good info you all are posting. I have a 1941 9x48 that I acquired about a year ago. It has a badly worn bed but the rest is prety good. Before this I had a Grizzly 9x24 which although a fairly good machine does not compare to a South Bend. I sold it for half what I paid but making the switch was worth every cent. I love the look, the feel of the South Bend lathes. Nothing else compares. I am now looking for a 13" South Bend. I figure finding one in good condition will take any where from 2 to 4 years as I live in Oregon and there is not a lot of manufacturing done here and good used equipment is hard to find. My area of interest is Model Engineering and I am currently into model stationary steam engines. I am also interested in foundary work and hope to set up a small furnace this summer. I belong to a the Mid Valley Model Engineers located in the Willamett Valley in Oregon. We have about thirty members and meet once a month at various members shops. We have one member, Marlin Hadley who is 91 and still making chips. He has built almost 100 different steam engine models. If you get to PRIME in Eugene Oregon in September you will probably see him there. I will take some photos and shop and post them later. Thanks again for this group. Karl Smith |
||
Re: ABout me Bakersfield CA.
Paul R. Hvidston
开云体育Hey Brett,
?
I checked out your phono restoration page. Very
nice. That old Edison is beautiful. I do the occasional old radio restoration.
It's kind of hard to put one of the old vacuum tubes on the lathe and fix it up
;-) but I do make bushings, shafts and knob inserts on the lathe. Then there's
the cabinet work in the wood shop. There's something about the way things used
to be built.
?
Cheers!
?
Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA |
||
Re: lubrication
Paul R. Hvidston
开云体育No, not naivete. I suppose at the least, it lets
them know we're out here, and that we are not completely insignificant. Who
knows. There might be SBL employees who?follow some of the Internet
interest groups. Probably not this one -- not yet.
?
Cheers!
?
Paul R. Hvidston
Upland, CA >> I feel the SB company has been helpful to me in identifying my lathe's origins and in stocking some of the parts I had to buy for it, so I (naively?) would like to reward them. |
||
Re: lubrication
I have been buying my A, B and C lubrication oil directly from South
Bend. I feel the SB company has been helpful to me in identifying my lathe's origins and in stocking some of the parts I had to buy for it, so I (naively?) would like to reward them. Yes, their prices for the lube oils and everything else are higher than elsewhere, but my opinion is that it behooves an amateur SB owner (1935 9" Workshop) like me to make the company feel it is good business for them to cater to us to a small extent. Many machinery companies, McMaster-Carr (who sell cheaper oil) for one, do not really like to do business with amateurs. My most wishful thought is that be if SB gets enough encouragement (read business) from people like us they'll bring back the 9" at a reasonable price, though I'm not holding my breath. Jay Friedman Decatur, GA |
||
lubrication
R. Allen
开云体育?
?
the reference to?oil viscosity
came from the modern refrigeration and air conditioning manual.? In the
electric motor selection describes using S.A. E. 20 or S.A. E. 30 ( 200 to 300
viscosity ) this book could be wrong of course the WebSite to refer to could
also be wrong.? I will look this upin my engineering book and get back to
you.
?
Rick
?
?
?
|
||
ABout me Bakersfield CA.
Well here? is my info on me?? I am Brett Hurt? age 47?? work for? county Propation department for the last 15 years and hope to retire from the salt mines in 7 years.?? I learned about machine work in the Army when I was a welder there. And thought man this is neat. So after 5 years in the green machine I went to the JC. and learned to be a michinest. Did that? some what but moved on to probation better money.?? About 10 years ago I got entersted in phonographs? but found out that I like to restore them. SO I have a back ground in welding and machine work. I would fix a few make some money buy a tool. So in time, I was over my head and need some machine work found a very nice old guy? with lots of stuff to do my machine work. Then the big ? mark came up (Brett) go get a lathe you neeeeeeeeeeeeed one.? I ask the nice old guy if he knew of any. And sure as that he said, he had a? friend that had a South Bend for sale. I bought him lunch and came home with the 1940? South Bend? got for $500.00 out the door and he had rebuilt it. Been very happy ever since. So on Sundays when I do most of my resto's I get to play with it. I now want a 13 in. Have a enco mill-drill and all the other stuff you need.? If you would like to look at my web site go there ?? Ho I almost for got I have a very sweet wife who lets play in the shop. Some times she will say Brett when did you get this. and I will say? your dad gave it to me.? Ya sure. But I neeeeeeeeeeeeeded it!??? |
||
Intro
Jeanie/Carl
开云体育First, since I am new at this one, is there an easier way to
post a message without emailing it?in, if so, please post.
?
I live in Southeast Texas, I am 50, was introduced to
machining back in the 60's at the high school shop.? Marine Corps for a
short, worked for one of Texaco's largest refinery's for 13 yrs, laid off in '84
(some of you older ones will remember the down turn in the oil industry), and
have been working since '86 for the TX Army National Guard, will soon retire
from that - only to find another job (unfortunately retirement pay isn't all
that great) no complaints, kept a roof over my head, and most of the time a full
belly.
?
Can't rightly remember when I got my little 9"SB, not a
machinist by trade, but will be my next career, though, probably until the
end.? Really enjoy the machining, also, do wood working as
well.
?
Unfortunately, this area is the "oil country" and most
surplus/used machinery is large, unlike the common smaller ones (atlas/SB) that
can be found up North (envy).
?
Finding the 9" was a stroke of luck, it was an estate sale, a
bench model, and it was all in pieces.? Over time have added a double
pedestal cabinet, made wood draws for the larger pedestal, just never got around
to the other, yet.? The 9" has been under constant refurbishing since I got
it.? Believe in keeping it up, and since it is of the type that has
non-harden ways, it'll wear fast.? It's nice to have a lathe at home for
odd jobs.?
?
Enough.? It is nice to have a group of SB
enthusiast.
?
Carl |
||
lubrication
Melvin E. Allen
开云体育I've been using 9C for many years and really?had no idea what oil?I should?really be using. The only information I found was to use a 10W machine oil and that's what I've been used. The lubrication chart that was recently posted was a big help. Now I know what I should be used. And that got me thinking. Having been automotive air conditioning mechanic for many years I knew the automotive A/C oil is a 500 viscosity. Further research tells me the standard viscosity used in home and commercial air conditioning systems is 150 to 300 viscosity. All of these oils are highly refined low wax content non-detergent and hold their viscosity through a wide range of temperatures. They can be purchased in small quantities 1 gallon or less at any refrigeration supplier or automotive parts store (R12/134A) only. Standard oils for the R12, R22, are high quality machine oil .? They are nontoxic and completely safe to use. The oils that I have use have little or no smell a plus?for anyone that has allergies to strong smells like me. ? Warning do not using the (PAG) oil use for the 134A refrigerants systems. This oil is highly toxic and will take the paint off of any surface it comes in contact with. Do not using it. Castrol Retro A/C oil used for the? 134A and R12 automotive air conditioning systems is a 500 viscosity oil and is considered safe to use. Also some air compressor oils are 100 viscosity non-detergent and should be suitable to use. These oils should be a suitable replacement for the Southbend oils if you can't find the original oils anywhere else. You can also use non-detergent motor oil as a substitute a 10W oil is the same as 100 viscosity the. 50W is the same as 500 viscosity. don't know if this conversion was mention before. Do not using multigrade oils or standard motor oils that have detergent in them. I hope this helps. Rick |
||
Re: lubrication
Paul R. Hvidston
开云体育
From the McMaster-Carr website, you get the
following equivalents:
?
SAE 5W == 100 SUS??? (SB Type
A)
SAE 10? == 215 SUS??? (SB Type
B)
SAE 20 == 315 SUS??? (SB Type
C)
?
Could you be off by a factor of about
2?
?
Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA |
||
Introductions
Paul R. Hvidston
Hello all. I'm a 43 y/o Southern California Consulting Engineer in the
Internet/desktop/real-time software development area. I'm currently developing wireless networking for PDAs and notebooks. On to the fun stuff. Besides electronics, ham radio and music, I've been doing fine woodworking for over 20 years, wood turning for about 8. I've added metal working the last couple of years. It started with a Grizzly 7x10, then I picked up a couple of Taigs at an estate sale (an old old Micro Lathe and a newer Micro Lathe II). I acquired my dream lathe - a 1941 9x36 SB model A this last December. I wish I could say that I plan on using the lathe for work, but I just love learning about old tools and the SB certainly qualifies. The dream started many years ago with a copy of "How to run a lathe" and several editions of the Henry Ford Trade School Shop Manual. I love old books too! My wife's an antique dealer so I get lots of old machining books. Back to the SB. Mine originally had a roller-bearing headstock w/o back-gear, but I just installed a standard headstock so I could get slower speeds with torque. I've got a lot of cleaning, painting and tweaking to do, but I'm having fun. I put together a quick web page for the lathe and I plan to formalize it as I get more work done on the lathe. I've got deadlines so that's all for now. Keep the dialog and sharing going! Paul R. Hvidston ACKSYS Engineering Upland, CA p.hvidston@... |
||
Re: Joining the list
DO NOT TRY TO BEND IT COLD!!!!
The compound rest handle on my lathe had been broken for as long as I can remember. (My father took possession when I was 6) The edges had been rounded off so as not to cut your fingers, but the break still shows clean 20-30 (40?) years after it was broken. A new handle was one of the first projects I tackled after she was put back together after painting. (Ball ends are a pain) Dave D'Albertanson --- In southbendlathe@y..., Larry Buerer <lbuerer@t...> wrote: According to the invoice I have in my hand it was purchased from the Carey MachinerySupply Co. Baltimore, MD on 1/3/47. I purchased it from the original owneda few years ago in Eureka, CA so it traveled a bit. It is a bench topmodel about 30" between centers. Length 4 according to the tag on the gearbox.It seems to be in excellent condition, only a few aluminum chips here andthere and a bit of surface rust (only enough to color a few things brown).Is it soft enough to bend back cold or should I heat it to bend it.$15.30. The 4-jaw chuck was $34.15. |
||
Re: A bit about your Group Moderator
Paul R. Hvidston
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Dee we would never kick a SB wantabee off of here. We need someone to |
||
Re: A bit about your Group Moderator
Dee we would never kick a SB wantabee off of here. We need someone to
tease. LOL Thanks for your story, keep in touch. Jim --- In southbendlathe@y..., "Dee Schuyler" <dee.schuyler@g...> wrote: enjoy it. I restore Antique John Deere tractors and really got intometal working to help with the parts for the tractors. Now I am afraidto tell you that I do not own a South Bend, But I will one day! I playedwith my first South Bend in the early fiftys in High School, then while in the US Navy aboard a Destroyer my bunk was right next to the Machine Shop and many many nights I was put to sleep to the sound of that old South Bend, That was many years ago. More recently when I decided to try my hand at metalworking I hada friend with a 10"x54 Atlas I bought it and it is a fine little lathe but i needed for tractor parts a little bigger machine. While searching for a good SouthBend I found a real nice Logan that I could not pass up. However I am still thinking about South Bend's and if I shouldcome across, Well who knows! Now if you wish to kick me off? Well so be it. |