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How do you determine if the 10K is metric or imperial??
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South Bend 10 K Headstock Cover
Any ideas where to locate a headstock cover for an 80s vintage 10K other than eBay would be great. That seems to be the only missing part on this new purchase of mine.
thanks in advance?
Dave
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James, I posted more details and photos. I paid US $700 plus shipping, customs brokerage and tax to get it here. I’d sure like to get my original cost out of it…. ?Thx, al
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On Jun 23, 2024, at 20:07, James Rice via groups.io <james.rice@...> wrote:
? Al, What are you asking for the parts?
James Rice On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 1:07?PM Al MacDonald via <eagle.gpul= [email protected]> wrote: Greetings,? a number of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB 10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric.? I think it came from a school and was in pristine condition.? I ended up buying an imperial quick change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no interest in metric.? I’ve used the large dial crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s painful to have to sneak up on diameters.? Would there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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Thanks for your thoughts Mike. I’m a member there so I’ll give it a try. Cheers, al
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On Jun 23, 2024, at 19:47, mike allen via groups.io <animal@...> wrote:
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Al , have ya put it out over on the Practical Machinist forum ? A
lot of exposure over there . There's a for sale section & a
South Bend forum also . They kinda like ya to participate before
ya use the for sale section but? I don't think there would be a
issue posting it over on the South Bend section there .
animal
On 6/23/24 3:33 PM, Al MacDonald wrote:
It’s the full meal deal….3mm pitch leadscrew/half nuts with metric
QCGB. ?As you can see in the photos it’s in pristine condition,
and the leadscrew shows zero wear. ?It comes with the leadscrew,
banjo and all the gears necessary to run it. ?I think it was a
special order for Canadian schools as some of the writing on the
plaque is in English and French. ?Oddly enough the thread dial
looks totally normal to me, not what I’ve seen photos of in
Machinery’s Handbook (or was it SB’s How to run a Lathe).
?Here’s what’s on my SB now. ?Note it’s marked as
for a 9” lathe so I assume these metric parts will also fit
one. ?Note the imperial QCGB is marked as 4-1/2 ft and mine
only has a 3-1/2 ft. bed. ?I turned mine back to fit, with
some extra hanging over the end of the leadscrew support, so I
could put a graduated wheel on it one day if I wanted. ?So I’m
in western Canada but another fellow on this forum is visiting
here soon and has volunteered to take it back across the
border, to the land of cheaper shipping.
Cheers,
al.
On Jun 23, 2024, at 13:03, Mike Poore via < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I might have interest, but I am curious.
Are the leadscrew threads actually metric? I thought,
but could be wrong, that they used a gearset in the
head that interpolated metric threads and changed the
dials and chart while still using inch based threads
on the screws. I know they sold a kit to cut metric
threads on a standard inch based lathe, but maybe they
also made a full metric lathe as well. I do not think
I would want to convert my lathe fully to metric, but
I would like some gears for the head stock for
occasional metric thread cutting.
On 6/21/2024 2:02 PM, Al MacDonald via wrote:
Greetings, ?a number
of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB
10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric.
?I think it came from a school and was in pristine
condition. ?I ended up buying an imperial quick
change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no
interest in metric. ?I’ve used the large dial
crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s
painful to have to sneak up on diameters. ?Would
there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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Al, What are you asking for the parts?
James Rice
On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 1:07?PM Al MacDonald via <eagle.gpul= [email protected]> wrote: Greetings,? a number of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB 10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric.? I think it came from a school and was in pristine condition.? I ended up buying an imperial quick change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no interest in metric.? I’ve used the large dial crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s painful to have to sneak up on diameters.? Would there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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Al , have ya put it out over on the Practical Machinist forum ? A
lot of exposure over there . There's a for sale section & a
South Bend forum also . They kinda like ya to participate before
ya use the for sale section but? I don't think there would be a
issue posting it over on the South Bend section there .
animal
On 6/23/24 3:33 PM, Al MacDonald wrote:
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It’s the full meal deal….3mm pitch leadscrew/half nuts with metric
QCGB. ?As you can see in the photos it’s in pristine condition,
and the leadscrew shows zero wear. ?It comes with the leadscrew,
banjo and all the gears necessary to run it. ?I think it was a
special order for Canadian schools as some of the writing on the
plaque is in English and French. ?Oddly enough the thread dial
looks totally normal to me, not what I’ve seen photos of in
Machinery’s Handbook (or was it SB’s How to run a Lathe).
?Here’s what’s on my SB now. ?Note it’s marked as
for a 9” lathe so I assume these metric parts will also fit
one. ?Note the imperial QCGB is marked as 4-1/2 ft and mine
only has a 3-1/2 ft. bed. ?I turned mine back to fit, with
some extra hanging over the end of the leadscrew support, so I
could put a graduated wheel on it one day if I wanted. ?So I’m
in western Canada but another fellow on this forum is visiting
here soon and has volunteered to take it back across the
border, to the land of cheaper shipping.
Cheers,
al.
On Jun 23, 2024, at 13:03, Mike Poore via < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I might have interest, but I am curious.
Are the leadscrew threads actually metric? I thought,
but could be wrong, that they used a gearset in the
head that interpolated metric threads and changed the
dials and chart while still using inch based threads
on the screws. I know they sold a kit to cut metric
threads on a standard inch based lathe, but maybe they
also made a full metric lathe as well. I do not think
I would want to convert my lathe fully to metric, but
I would like some gears for the head stock for
occasional metric thread cutting.
On 6/21/2024 2:02 PM, Al MacDonald via wrote:
Greetings, ?a number
of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB
10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric.
?I think it came from a school and was in pristine
condition. ?I ended up buying an imperial quick
change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no
interest in metric. ?I’ve used the large dial
crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s
painful to have to sneak up on diameters. ?Would
there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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It’s the full meal deal….3mm pitch leadscrew/half nuts with metric QCGB. ?As you can see in the photos it’s in pristine condition, and the leadscrew shows zero wear. ?It comes with the leadscrew, banjo and all the gears necessary to run it. ?I think it was a special order for Canadian schools as some of the writing on the plaque is in English and French. ?Oddly enough the thread dial looks totally normal to me, not what I’ve seen photos of in Machinery’s Handbook (or was it SB’s How to run a Lathe).
?Here’s what’s on my SB now. ?Note it’s marked as for a 9” lathe so I assume these metric parts will also fit one. ?Note the imperial QCGB is marked as 4-1/2 ft and mine only has a 3-1/2 ft. bed. ?I turned mine back to fit, with some extra hanging over the end of the leadscrew support, so I could put a graduated wheel on it one day if I wanted. ?So I’m in western Canada but another fellow on this forum is visiting here soon and has volunteered to take it back across the border, to the land of cheaper shipping.
Cheers,
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On Jun 23, 2024, at 13:03, Mike Poore via < mpoore10@...> wrote:
I might have interest, but I am curious. Are the leadscrew threads actually metric? I thought, but could be wrong, that they used a gearset in the head that interpolated metric threads and changed the dials and chart while still using inch based threads on the screws. I know they sold a kit to cut metric threads on a standard inch based lathe, but maybe they also made a full metric lathe as well. I do not think I would want to convert my lathe fully to metric, but I would like some gears for the head stock for occasional metric thread cutting. On 6/21/2024 2:02 PM, Al MacDonald via wrote: Greetings, ?a number of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB 10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric. ?I think it came from a school and was in pristine condition. ?I ended up buying an imperial quick change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no interest in metric. ?I’ve used the large dial crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s painful to have to sneak up on diameters. ?Would there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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There are metric lathes that have a metric lead screw, a different quick change gear box, a different threadding dial, and metric cross feed and compound screws.
The transposing gear sets that you are thinking of, including a 127/100 compound gear, allow either cutting accurate metric gears on an inch lathe or inch threads on on a metric lathe.
The included gears in the two transposing gear sets differ, but both include the 127/100 or 100/127 compound gear.
The metric quick change gear box can be spotted at a distance because the 5 position lever is on the right.
The metric threading dial is considerably more complicated.
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On 6/23/24 15:03, Mike Poore wrote: I might have interest, but I am curious. Are the leadscrew threads actually metric? I thought, but could be wrong, that they used a gearset in the head that interpolated metric threads and changed the dials and chart while still using inch based threads on the screws. I know they sold a kit to cut metric threads on a standard inch based lathe, but maybe they also made a full metric lathe as well. I do not think I would want to convert my lathe fully to metric, but I would like some gears for the head stock for occasional metric thread cutting.
On 6/21/2024 2:02 PM, Al MacDonald via groups.io wrote:
Greetings,? a number of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB 10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric.? I think it came from a school and was in pristine condition.? I ended up buying an imperial quick change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no interest in metric.? I’ve used the large dial crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s painful to have to sneak up on diameters.? Would there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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I might have interest, but I am curious. Are the leadscrew threads actually metric? I thought, but could be wrong, that they used a gearset in the head that interpolated metric threads and changed the dials and chart while still using inch based threads on the screws. I know they sold a kit to cut metric threads on a standard inch based lathe, but maybe they also made a full metric lathe as well. I do not think I would want to convert my lathe fully to metric, but I would like some gears for the head stock for occasional metric thread cutting.
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On 6/21/2024 2:02 PM, Al MacDonald via groups.io wrote: Greetings, a number of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB 10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric. I think it came from a school and was in pristine condition. I ended up buying an imperial quick change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no interest in metric. I’ve used the large dial crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s painful to have to sneak up on diameters. Would there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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Greetings, a number of years ago I bought my first shop machine, a SB 10k but didn’t notice at the auction it was metric. I think it came from a school and was in pristine condition. I ended up buying an imperial quick change gearbox, leadscrew and half nuts, as I had no interest in metric. I’ve used the large dial crossfeed and compound feed in metric but it’s painful to have to sneak up on diameters. Would there be any interest in these metric parts?
Thx, al.
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Some years ago I did make a large dial for my 9” 405 Workshop lathe.? The 405 is the predecessor of the Model C.?
Here is what I did. It was a lot of work.?
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On Jun 17, 2024, at 2:20 PM, mike allen < animal@...> wrote:
That's pretty sexy . I still need to come up with something for my compound .
animal
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Is anyone making this for a 13" SB? I have
trouble reading my dials and usually resort to a dial indicator
setup instead. Readable dials would be nice.
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That's pretty sexy . I still need to come up with something for
my compound .
animal
On 6/16/24 1:56 PM, Steve Wells
wrote:
Mike,
Photo of the ultimate 10L dial.
10L dial conversion, Hardinge HLV,
3-inch? “Easy Read”.
Same principle, The HVL zero ring
fits over the turned down 10L mount bushing.
The 10L mount bushing is spot
drilled through the HLV ring grub screw hole,
when the HLV ring zero mark is
aligned.
The 10L 2.250 dial is turned down
to fit inside the HLV’s dial.
It retains the SBL mounting and
adjustment system, the bearings and preload bushing.
I don’t make these very often, but
am in the process of doing one.
Thought you might like to see it.
The photo is of the parts for final
steps of turning the mount bushing and fitting the
bearing / dial clearance/ handle
and polishing.
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Steve???
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I knew that when I sent them in . What I was looking at is
everyone says there gonna make large dials for their lathe .
I only know of one guy that actually did it . I was lucky
enough to buy one of the large dials for my 9A for 25 bucks
a few years back . I can't say enough about how much easier
it has made it for me to read the dial these days . Not sure
I could even buy the material for a large dial project for
the 30 something that this printed one goes for . There are
several of the files available online for free DL to print
large dials too , just gotta poke around .
animal
On 6/16/24 11:39 AM, Nick via groups.io
wrote:
Bear in mind that these are not OEM
large dials, or even replacement dials. They're 3d-printed
dials that FIT OVER the OEM SMALL dials. Still, not a bad
deal, I'll bookmark that seller for later.
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That's pretty sexy . I still need to come up with something for
my compound .
animal
On 6/16/24 1:56 PM, Steve Wells wrote:
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Mike,
Photo of the
ultimate 10L dial.
10L dial
conversion, Hardinge HLV, 3-inch? “Easy Read”.
Same
principle, The HVL zero ring fits over the turned down 10L
mount bushing.
The 10L
mount bushing is spot drilled through the HLV ring grub
screw hole,
when the HLV
ring zero mark is aligned.
The 10L
2.250 dial is turned down to fit inside the HLV’s dial.
It retains
the SBL mounting and adjustment system, the bearings and
preload bushing.
I don’t make
these very often, but am in the process of doing one.
Thought you
might like to see it.
The photo is
of the parts for final steps of turning the mount bushing
and fitting the
bearing /
dial clearance/ handle and polishing.
?
Steve???
?
?
I knew that when I sent them in . What I was looking at is
everyone says there gonna make large dials for their lathe . I
only know of one guy that actually did it . I was lucky enough
to buy one of the large dials for my 9A for 25 bucks a few
years back . I can't say enough about how much easier it has
made it for me to read the dial these days . Not sure I could
even buy the material for a large dial project for the 30
something that this printed one goes for . There are several
of the files available online for free DL to print large dials
too , just gotta poke around .
animal
On 6/16/24 11:39 AM, Nick via groups.io
wrote:
Bear in mind that these are not OEM large
dials, or even replacement dials. They're 3d-printed dials
that FIT OVER the OEM SMALL dials. Still, not a bad deal,
I'll bookmark that seller for later.
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Andrei, No, it’s a real NOS Hardinge HLV “Easy Reading” dial and ring with the original Handle shaft bushing removed and replaced with a turned down 10L dial as the shaft bushing. I haven’t bonded them together yet as I still need to fit the dial lock screw or lever through the 10L mount bushing. I’m going to try to fit the lock so I can try a thumb screw or a lever lock, to see which one I like best. Turk showed me one he converted many years ago, it’s not that difficult, once you find an affordable Hardinge dial. I think I paid 40 or 50 dollars for this one on eBay. I can’t bring myself to drill through the 170 mark on this pretty dial.:) Steve ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrei
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2024 10:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Large Dial option? Is that 3d printed? It looks fantastic
Mike, Photo of the ultimate 10L dial. 10L dial conversion, Hardinge HLV, 3-inch? “Easy Read”. Same principle, The HVL zero ring fits over the turned down 10L mount bushing. The 10L mount bushing is spot drilled through the HLV ring grub screw hole, when the HLV ring zero mark is aligned. The 10L 2.250 dial is turned down to fit inside the HLV’s dial. It retains the SBL mounting and adjustment system, the bearings and preload bushing. I don’t make these very often, but am in the process of doing one. Thought you might like to see it. The photo is of the parts for final steps of turning the mount bushing and fitting the bearing / dial clearance/ handle and polishing. ? Steve??? ? ? I knew that when I sent them in . What I was looking at is everyone says there gonna make large dials for their lathe . I only know of one guy that actually did it . I was lucky enough to buy one of the large dials for my 9A for 25 bucks a few years back . I can't say enough about how much easier it has made it for me to read the dial these days . Not sure I could even buy the material for a large dial project for the 30 something that this printed one goes for . There are several of the files available online for free DL to print large dials too , just gotta poke around . animal On 6/16/24 11:39 AM, Nick via groups.io wrote: Bear in mind that these are not OEM large dials, or even replacement dials. They're 3d-printed dials that FIT OVER the OEM SMALL dials. Still, not a bad deal, I'll bookmark that seller for later.
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Is that 3d printed? It looks fantastic
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Mike,
Photo of the ultimate 10L dial.
10L dial conversion, Hardinge HLV, 3-inch? “Easy Read”.
Same principle, The HVL zero ring fits over the turned down 10L mount bushing.
The 10L mount bushing is spot drilled through the HLV ring grub screw hole,
when the HLV ring zero mark is aligned.
The 10L 2.250 dial is turned down to fit inside the HLV’s dial.
It retains the SBL mounting and adjustment system, the bearings and preload bushing.
I don’t make these very often, but am in the process of doing one.
Thought you might like to see it.
The photo is of the parts for final steps of turning the mount bushing and fitting the
bearing / dial clearance/ handle and polishing.
?
Steve???
?
?
I knew that when I sent them in . What I was looking at is everyone says there gonna make large dials for their lathe . I only know of one guy that actually did it . I was lucky enough to buy one of the large dials for my 9A for 25 bucks a few years back
. I can't say enough about how much easier it has made it for me to read the dial these days . Not sure I could even buy the material for a large dial project for the 30 something that this printed one goes for . There are several of the files available online
for free DL to print large dials too , just gotta poke around .
animal
On 6/16/24 11:39 AM, Nick via groups.io wrote:
Bear in mind that these are not OEM large dials, or even replacement dials. They're 3d-printed dials that FIT OVER the OEM SMALL dials. Still, not a bad deal, I'll bookmark that seller for later.
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Mike, Photo of the ultimate 10L dial. 10L dial conversion, Hardinge HLV, 3-inch? “Easy Read”. Same principle, The HVL zero ring fits over the turned down 10L mount bushing. The 10L mount bushing is spot drilled through the HLV ring grub screw hole, when the HLV ring zero mark is aligned. The 10L 2.250 dial is turned down to fit inside the HLV’s dial. It retains the SBL mounting and adjustment system, the bearings and preload bushing. I don’t make these very often, but am in the process of doing one. Thought you might like to see it. The photo is of the parts for final steps of turning the mount bushing and fitting the bearing / dial clearance/ handle and polishing. ? Steve??? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 2:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Large Dial option? I knew that when I sent them in . What I was looking at is everyone says there gonna make large dials for their lathe . I only know of one guy that actually did it . I was lucky enough to buy one of the large dials for my 9A for 25 bucks a few years back . I can't say enough about how much easier it has made it for me to read the dial these days . Not sure I could even buy the material for a large dial project for the 30 something that this printed one goes for . There are several of the files available online for free DL to print large dials too , just gotta poke around . animal On 6/16/24 11:39 AM, Nick via groups.io wrote: Bear in mind that these are not OEM large dials, or even replacement dials. They're 3d-printed dials that FIT OVER the OEM SMALL dials. Still, not a bad deal, I'll bookmark that seller for later.
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I knew that when I sent them in . What I was looking at is
everyone says there gonna make large dials for their lathe . I
only know of one guy that actually did it . I was lucky enough to
buy one of the large dials for my 9A for 25 bucks a few years back
. I can't say enough about how much easier it has made it for me
to read the dial these days . Not sure I could even buy the
material for a large dial project for the 30 something that this
printed one goes for . There are several of the files available
online for free DL to print large dials too , just gotta poke
around .
animal
On 6/16/24 11:39 AM, Nick via groups.io
wrote:
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Bear in mind that these are not OEM large dials, or even
replacement dials. They're 3d-printed dials that FIT OVER the OEM
SMALL dials. Still, not a bad deal, I'll bookmark that seller for
later.
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They look pretty good. Probably printed at the highest resolution of his printer.
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Bear in mind that these are not OEM large dials, or even replacement dials. They're 3d-printed dials that FIT OVER the OEM SMALL dials. Still, not a bad deal, I'll bookmark that seller for later.
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Bear in mind that these are not OEM large dials, or even replacement dials. They're 3d-printed dials that FIT OVER the OEM SMALL dials. Still, not a bad deal, I'll bookmark that seller for later.
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James Rice
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